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Bills sign Lee Smith to 3-year deal -contract details released

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21 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

This is what happens when you over Fertilize the Tight End garden , the suckers pop up everywhere.

 

...then there was Round Up...........

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57 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I just don’t understand how this helps the running game.  You have a guy who is not a threat in the passing game so you just load up on the run when he’s on the field.  It’s like with Star.  You just spread the field and he can’t play/ is a non factor.  It’s not like Oakland had a good rushing attack.

 

i mean it’s a back up TE so it’s whatever.  But much like paying veteran 30 year old rbs, it’s not what smart teams would do.

 

While it's improved, still don't think the Bills have a very strong WR position group, so maybe we'll have a 2 TE offense out there most of the time, Smith and Kroft, plus Beasley, Brown.

 

Many are saying this spells the end for Croom. I'd think it may more mean the end for DeMarco.

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Welcome back Lee!

 

 

 

Anyone else remember the last time he was here (under Marrone/Hackett), how predictable the playcalling was? 

 

Every run play, Smith was put on the field. Every passing play, they put Chandler out there. It got to the point that TV announcers were predicting the play by the personnel on the field. 

 

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1 hour ago, cba fan said:

Lee can't catch.

Please phrase this in the accepted TBD-TSW method.  Either:

’No Lee can catch’,

                OR

‘No, Lee can catch’.

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It all hangs upon the comma.  Punctuation can save a career.

Edited by Ridgewaycynic2013
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1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I just don’t understand how this helps the running game.  You have a guy who is not a threat in the passing game so you just load up on the run when he’s on the field.  It’s like with Star.  You just spread the field and he can’t play/ is a non factor.  It’s not like Oakland had a good rushing attack.

 

i mean it’s a back up TE so it’s whatever.  But much like paying veteran 30 year old rbs, it’s not what smart teams would do.

I think you might be getting a little too worked up over this and I don't mean that to sound like I'm calling you out (many seem to be annoyed). I honestly think we are picking up a guy that offers zero mystery. The Bills staff knows what he brings to the table and what he can't do. That is valuable to an offense that is loaded with question marks. Smith is going to be an example of how to work and do the ugly things. He wasnt much money either.

 

I don't think he will make much of a visible impact. At least to the fans he won't. The desire for teams to use him over the years is proof enough that he has value. 

 

Smith on the field doesn't signal run necessarily. He pass blocks as well as he run blocks. We may be running more two TE sets this season as well. The use of play action is also something that is going to be emphasized again. I'm not worried about the Xs and Os of it. In fact, I hope teams over play the run because we have some burners to play with. On any given Sunday the game plan can change. Smith allows for a different kind of game than some of our other TEs.

 

Crooms potential in my opinion is a dime a dozen. Every year free agency and the draft offer dozens of athletic TEs that have little impact. You can pick up 10 Crooms at any time.

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2 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said:

Welcome back Lee!

 

 

 

Anyone else remember the last time he was here (under Marrone/Hackett), how predictable the playcalling was? 

 

Every run play, Smith was put on the field. Every passing play, they put Chandler out there. It got to the point that TV announcers were predicting the play by the personnel on the field. 

 

 

That was also the case for that staff regardless. First down run. Second down run. 3rd and 8 a 4 yard pass lol. 

They can put lee out there this year and playaction no problems. The speed on the team and Allen’s arm makes it a much deadlier offense than marrones. 

Daboll created some really great plays with last years offense if he wants to scare defenses from stacking the box with lee in the game he’ll scheme something scary for defenses 

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Kroft, Lee Smith, Croom, 2 draft picks.. seems like a lot. Who’s gonna play? I gotta think someone is getting cut. 

2 hours ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

Wow.  A three year deal.  That seems like a lot.

The contract is front loaded with money over the first 2 years.. so I’m looking at it as a 2 year deal with an option to keep him for 3. I think that’s team friendly.

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36 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Fisher released 

 

Had 3 TDs last year. He isn’t targeted much, obviously. If you show me a big drop % then I agree he can’t catch. I don’t know what his drop % is. 

I find it interesting that Vlad Duccasse is still on the team. I expected them to release him to give him a chance to catch on with Castillo. I wonder if they think he has a chance to make the 53. I also wonder how many heads would explode around here if he does.😅

31 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I asked in the other thread and still haven’t gotten an answer. Can someone please explain to me the advantage of a “blocking TE” as opposed to an extra tackle? No one is scared of Lee Smith in the passing game so he’s pretty much there to block. He’s not as good at blocking as an OT.  

Because Lee will look better going in motion? I don't have much else.

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1 minute ago, Koko78 said:

 

I'm guessing Croom is pretty safe, if he's still banging Pegula's daughter.

I doubt it is as big of a factor as has been constantly presented on here. Or even a factor at all. 

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1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I just don’t understand how this helps the running game.  You have a guy who is not a threat in the passing game so you just load up on the run when he’s on the field.  It’s like with Star.  You just spread the field and he can’t play/ is a non factor.  It’s not like Oakland had a good rushing attack.

 

i mean it’s a back up TE so it’s whatever.  But much like paying veteran 30 year old rbs, it’s not what smart teams would do.

Load up on the run, meaning 8 in the box, leaving Foster and Brown on the outside with one of them guaranteed single coverage....I like it.

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1 hour ago, JÂy RÛßeÒ said:

Better get used to this again:

How so...?

Lee Smith

2018 - Oakland Raiders

Position: Tight End
Birthday: 11/21/1987
College: Marshall
Height: 6' 6"
Weight: 265 lbs.

Penalty Log

Penalty Date Opp Week Quarter Time Down Distance Declined Offset Yardage Home
Totals     0 1.67   1.33 9 0 0 20 3
False Start 09/10/2018 LA Rams 1 1 11:16 1 7 No No 5 Yes
Offensive Holding 10/14/2018 Seattle 6 2 14:07 2 10 No No 10 Yes
False Start 12/09/2018 Pittsburgh 14 2 04:29 1 10 No No 5 Yes

Penalty Counts

Name Count Yards Lost Declined Offset Home Away Home/Away Diff
Totals 3 20 0 0 3 0 3
False Start 2 10 0 0 2 0 2
Offensive Holding 1 10 0 0 1 0 1

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Considering we drafted 2 TEs, I wonder if Lee Smith's role is two-fold: block & mentor.

 

They say he's a hard-working ("process") guy.

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34 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I believe it was Limeaid posted — 

Smith is a lot more mobile than most guards/tackles and will be blocking down the field for WRs/RBs when most guards/tackles would be left behind.  That is why you sign a TE like him rather than use an extra OL on play. 

When he is targeted he usually catches the ball (56/66) with 7 TDs - not many guards/tackles can do that.

 

That's the way I see it.  He's more effective as a downfield/move run blocker than any OT now on the roster.   Plus, he's the kind of veteran leader McD likes to have around...

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1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I just don’t understand how this helps the running game.  You have a guy who is not a threat in the passing game so you just load up on the run when he’s on the field.  It’s like with Star.  You just spread the field and he can’t play/ is a non factor.  It’s not like Oakland had a good rushing attack.

 

i mean it’s a back up TE so it’s whatever.  But much like paying veteran 30 year old rbs, it’s not what smart teams would do.

And New England just signed a soon to be 39 year old strong locker room presence TE - Ben Watson.  Bill's TEs couldn't block worth a @#$% last year

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1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I just don’t understand how this helps the running game.  You have a guy who is not a threat in the passing game so you just load up on the run when he’s on the field.  It’s like with Star.  You just spread the field and he can’t play/ is a non factor.  It’s not like Oakland had a good rushing attack.

 

i mean it’s a back up TE so it’s whatever.  But much like paying veteran 30 year old rbs, it’s not what smart teams would do.

 

There are of lot of running situations (3rd and 1, for example) where the D will load the box, whether the offense trots out a blocking TE or receiving TE. 

 

In those situations, Smith is a great blocker who can turn his assigned defender into a non-factor.  

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25 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Kinda makes you wonder about how they rank.

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42 minutes ago, bourbonboy said:

Even without knowing the details, this contract is not as bad as it first may seem.....Smith averaged $3 million/year in Oakland on his last contract, and that was signed 4 years ago. He was also PFF's #1-rated run blocking TE in 2015 (I could not find more recent stats).

 

This is the 2018 all-around grade for Smith:

 

https://raiderswire.usatoday.com/2019/02/25/pff-raiders-tes-jared-cook-and-lee-smith-dominated-in-2018/

 

"...Lee Smith, also had an excellent year for the Raiders. While he didn’t play as many snaps as his teammate (284), Lee was one of the most well-rounded blockers in the NFL. He caught just 10 passes for 73 yards, but he makes for the perfect complement to Cook. Together, Cook and Smith graded as two of the top three tight ends in the AFC West, according to Pro Football Focus."

 

2018's highest-graded tight ends from the AFC West
 
 
 

 

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Hafta imagine they have an out after year 1. I remember him getting a ton of penalties didn’t he? Anyway he’s an upgrade over Fisher as a blocking tight end, so in reality, we’ve just upgraded our roster.

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2 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:

A 1 year deal doesn’t surprise me.  A 3 year deal does.

Its all in the details of the contract......we all know Beane knows how to do this pretty well

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11 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Its all in the details of the contract......we all know Beane knows how to do this pretty well

Star agrees. 

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