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11 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

I read on this board you don't need number 1 recievers though...

 

Fair point!!  Look at Antonio’s, I mean AJ’s, I mean Julio’s, I mean Fitzgerald’s, I mean Evans’, I mean Sammy’s, Brandon Marshall? Juju? Diggs? Theilen? Hill?  I mean OBJ’s, I mean ugh.. 

 

ffs is Alston Jeffery the best active WR with a ring? Or is it Edelman?  Emanuel Sanders? 

 

Roger that - WR1 ... nice to have. A necessity of myth. 

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59 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

Fair point!!  Look at Antonio’s, I mean AJ’s, I mean Julio’s, I mean Fitzgerald’s, I mean Evans’, I mean Sammy’s, Brandon Marshall? Juju? Diggs? Theilen? Hill?  I mean OBJ’s, I mean ugh.. 

 

ffs is Alston Jeffery the best active WR with a ring? Or is it Edelman?  Emanuel Sanders? 

 

Roger that - WR1 ... nice to have. A necessity of myth. 

Edleman? 

 

The guy who has the GOAT throwing him the ball? 

 

Ok sorry. I'll rephrase.

 

A number one WR, especially for a young, RAW QB who struggles to throw guys open will take immense pressure off of him and be reliable as he grows and adapts to the NFL game when your other guys are struggling to get separation... You don't really need a number 1 WR when you have Tom ***** Brady as your QB. 

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1 hour ago, JaCrispy said:

Correct, I wouldn’t give Dak more than $25 million....and even that is debatable imo....he’s basically a glorified game manager.

Not even worthy of the glorification.

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24 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Edleman? 

 

The guy who has the GOAT throwing him the ball? 

 

Ok sorry. I'll rephrase.

 

A number one WR, especially for a young, RAW QB who struggles to throw guys open will take immense pressure off of him and be reliable as he grows and adapts to the NFL game when your other guys are struggling to get separation... You don't really need a number 1 WR when you have Tom ***** Brady as your QB. 

 Immense pressure ?

 Struggling to get seperation ?

Josh Allen is no longer a rookie

 They revamped the O line and then some.

The WR room is greatly changed as is the TE  team.

last year O line and WRs were suspect in my opinion. Allen was tossed into the salad while it was in the spinner.
This year should be fine. get a cherry for the Sundae next year maybe. or the year after that.

: )

 

 

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3 hours ago, thebandit27 said:

They'll get all 3 of Dak/Cooper/Zeke done.

 

By the time they sign their rookies and roll over cap space, they'll be about $70M under the cap for 2020. That includes Zeke's option year number of $9.1M, and they can easily gain another $15M by letting go of Tyrone Crawford and Cam Fleming.

 

The real question is what they do with the rest of their 2020 free agents: La'el Collins, Robert Quinn, Sean Lee, Byron Jones, Jeff Heath, Jaylon Smith, Maliek Collins, Anthony Brown, and Kavon Frazier. They'll probably be looking at a heft sum of comp picks in 2021.

Good post. The cap is not nearly the impediment it's viewed as by some. Team's find a way to sign their top players and then decide which of their second tier guys are expendable. The top teams will always be up against the cap. Just have to move money around, restructure deals, and let a few guys walk.

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46 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

 Immense pressure ?

 Struggling to get seperation ?

Josh Allen is no longer a rookie

 They revamped the O line and then some.

The WR room is greatly changed as is the TE  team.

last year O line and WRs were suspect in my opinion. Allen was tossed into the salad while it was in the spinner.
This year should be fine. get a cherry for the Sundae next year maybe. or the year after that.

: )

 

 

Did you miss Hapless's post on Dak once Dallas traded for Amari?

 

The WR and TE group is changed.... it's still a bottom of the league unit. 

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5 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

I read on this board you don't need number 1 recievers though...

It depends....NE has never had a  #1 WR since Randy Moss that dominated the game...On the flip side the Giants did nothing with Odell Beckham...

 

Even the teams that have the best WRs in the league (Bengals, Falcons)....they haven't been good...

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12 hours ago, BillsfaninSB said:

 

I agree with you but Prescott wants +$30M.  Elliot wants a huge contract like Bell.     Cooper wants Brown type money.  How do they afford all of that?

 

Not saying the Bills go do it but he is 24, in his prime.  Can be a huge help to Josh. 

 

And the Cowboys have paid three of their offensive line in Smith, Fredericks and Martin and they just paid DeMarcus Lawrence too. 

 

I will give them this - to this point they have done a really nice job of balancing the cap and planning the contracts in such a way as they don't hamstring them. But realistically to be able to fit Dak, Zeke and Cooper under the cap for the next 4 or 5 seasons they will probably have to sacrifice one of those linemen after 2019. The crunch point is 2021 when they presently have $75m in cap space... which sounds a lot.... until you realise they have only 14 players under contract and no quarterback. They will need to decide after 2020 whether to extend Jaylon Smith as well (likely they won't). 

 

The moral of the story is really that the window for Dallas is now. They have a really talented roster this year. They have an excellent offensive line, an elite running back, Cooper and Randall Cobb (and young Gallup who I still like as a developmental guy), they have a capable Quarterback, pass rushers on defense, two brilliant young linebackers and a stud in Byron Jones in the secondary. They should be a Superbowl contender this season.

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12 hours ago, BillsfaninSB said:

 

I agree with you but Prescott wants +$30M.  Elliot wants a huge contract like Bell.     Cooper wants Brown type money.  How do they afford all of that?

 

Not saying the Bills go do it but he is 24, in his prime.  Can be a huge help to Josh. 

because the cap keeps increasing every year and will go up again soon with new TV contracts...if they want to sign them, they will......

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13 hours ago, BillsfaninSB said:

Hearing that the Cowboys and Cooper are far apart on extension.   We punted Brown.  Would you take a run at a trade with Dallas?

 

Nope, just wait for him to hit the market.

 

 

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7 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Did you miss Hapless's post on Dak once Dallas traded for Amari?

 

The WR and TE group is changed.... it's still a bottom of the league unit. 

If you could take the time to list all the units that are unarguably better.  Id appreciate it.

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15 hours ago, Gambit said:

They just traded a 1st rounder for him. Why would they trade him already? They can always tag him if needed.

 

Exactly.  Not every player who is not under contract is a candidate for the Bills.  I’ve seen people post threads on Aaron Rodgers, and others and is simply ridiculous.

 

Now the story on Ansah makes sense.

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Cooper needs to prove he can be consistent. He was awful two years ago other than the two games I didn’t start him in fantasy.

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For a 3rd...sure

 

 

MAYBE a 2nd

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14 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said:

NE has done it for a long time without spending high dollar on WRs.  I dont see him adding enough value to justify spending that much.  If Jerry isnt willing to pay what hes asking then that should tell you something.

Prescott isnt worth 30M.

30M? For Prescott? I’d let him walk....

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39 minutes ago, Maynard said:

30M? For Prescott? I’d let him walk....

They really should have already started looking for their just in case QB.

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This is why Raiders dealt him for a 1st.

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18 hours ago, BillsfaninSB said:

 

I agree with you but Prescott wants +$30M.  Elliot wants a huge contract like Bell.     Cooper wants Brown type money.  How do they afford all of that?

 

Not saying the Bills go do it but he is 24, in his prime.  Can be a huge help to Josh. 

 

Blows my mind that all those guys want that sort of money.  It's not like we are talking about the Steelers offense.  

 

IMO, the only person that actually deserves that sort of money is Elliot, who is probably the best RB in the league alongside Gurley and Barkley.

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Dak is a tough old decision for Dallas. It really is. He has all the intangibles.... does he have the tangibles is the question? 

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3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

Dak is a tough old decision for Dallas. It really is. He has all the intangibles.... does he have the tangibles is the question? 

 

The only way I'd pay Dak that kind of money is if there was no other option.  What's the upcoming QB FA class looking like?

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1 minute ago, Gugny said:

 

The only way I'd pay Dak that kind of money is if there was no other option.  What's the upcoming QB FA class looking like?

 

There won't be anyone as good as Dak. 

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1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

There won't be anyone as good as Dak. 

 

That's still a hell of a lot of money.  Elliott makes that offense go far more than Prescott does.

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4 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

That's still a hell of a lot of money.  Elliott makes that offense go far more than Prescott does.

 

I totally agree. It is. But the likely alternative is get worse at Quarterback because the Cowboys are going to be too good to be in position to draft one at the top of the draft. Derek Carr got that sort of money. Kurt Cousins got that kind of money. That is what capable NFL QBs are making. Dak is a capable NFL QB. He is a brilliant leader, good in the clutch, and a calm, calculated decision maker. He doesn't have the most talent but he wins. 

 

And that is why it is such a tough decision. 

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1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

Dak is a tough old decision for Dallas. It really is. He has all the intangibles.... does he have the tangibles is the question? 

 

 

He's a large Tyrod Taylor

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1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

He's a large Tyrod Taylor

 

Much better clutch player than Tyrod. 

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