Bill from NYC Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 On 6/27/2019 at 12:28 PM, SoTier said: If it's "fluff", how can it be "very, very depressing" -- unless you secretly fear I'm right? Actually, this is a fair question. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 (edited) On 6/27/2019 at 12:58 PM, mannc said: The Bills’ coaching and QB play in the early 70s was the worst in the history of the franchise, if not the history of the entire league. I mean, I'll have to take your word for it since it was before my time. I'd have to assume the last decade plus list of coach's and QB's would give them a run for their money. Edited June 30, 2019 by LSHMEAB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 On 6/26/2019 at 5:48 PM, Shaw66 said: You didn't ask me, but I never understood it. I try to understand the logic in movies that they make, and one reason I like McBeane is that they seem to have good reasons for doing things. This one I never understood. Watkins may have been less than a great team player, but he wasn't a cancer. He just seemed not to realize his potential. I always say it's better to keep good talent a year too long than to give up on talent a year too early, so I would have exercised the option and tried to get him to be the guy we all hoped he would be. Turns out that wouldn't have helped much, because he wasn't stellar for either of the next two years and would have left in free agency. Still, I thought he was worth the continuing investment. What would you have realized at the end of that option year? What did Beane realize? On 6/27/2019 at 2:12 PM, reddogblitz said: Yeah, well benching Flutie in the playoff game is complaint worthy FOREVER IMHO. You can pry my cold dead fingers off that complaint. Flutie was shot. Finished. Used up. A noodle. If you don't get that, you don't get football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 14 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said: What would you have realized at the end of that option year? What did Beane realize? In the case of Watkins, having kept him wouldn't have worked out, at least based one what we've seen out of him. He just hasn't become the performer everyone expected. But the fact that he wouldn't have worked out doesn't change my mind about what to do with talent. I think coaching is more important talent, but that doesn't mean talent is unimportant. Especially top talent. It's hard to duplicate. So I think when you have a guy who has special talent, a Watkins or a Dareus) but who hasn't accomplished what you want, especially when he's in his early 20s, the smart move is to keep him too long rather give up on him too early. Marshawn Lynch is a perfect example. You hate to have had a talent like that on your roster and have let him go, only to watch him be a true star someplace else. It's worth to keep four guys like Lynch and Watkins for a year or two longer than you might keep someone else, because one of those guys is going to turn out to be someone really special. The three who don't work are only going to be taking up the roster of some journeyman, so it doesn't cost much to keep them. It costs a lot to lose a Lynch. So I would have kept Watkins. McDermott did that with Dareus, although not for very long. He kept him because Dareus was such a special talent that McDermott had to find out whether he could get Dareus to be the kind of team player and leader McDermott wanted. When he was sure Dareus wasn't going to be that guy, McD let him go. I would have done the same thing, with Watkins for a full season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 31 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: I mean, I'll have to take your word for it since it was before my time. I'd have to assume the last decade plus list of coach's and QB's would give them a run for their money. I know it was a different era, but go look at the Bills’ QB stats the year OJ rams for 2003 yards. There was a Monday night game against Pittsburgh where he ran for almost 300 yards and they completed TWO passes for about 20 yards. 2-16 passing, I believe. And until Knox got hired, the coaching was even worse. They essentially refused to play OJ his first three years in the league. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 Craziest long thread ever. Started as AP's usual ass kissing OBD and now.....Flutie v. Johnson at 92 pages. Must. Get. To. 100! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Craziest long thread ever. Started as AP's usual ass kissing OBD and now.....Flutie v. Johnson at 92 pages. Must. Get. To. 100! It’s one of the best threads of the offseason...lotta good football discussion. Look at some of the other nonsense threads on the board right now... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Craziest long thread ever. Started as AP's usual ass kissing OBD and now.....Flutie v. Johnson at 92 pages. Must. Get. To. 100! When does the Kemp vs Lamonica thread start? Or can it be an appendage to this waning tread? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 1 minute ago, mannc said: It’s one of the best threads of the offseason...lotta good football discussion. Look at some of the other nonsense threads on the board right now... i don't know....lotta good discussion happening over in that Andy Reid thread....lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 9 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: i don't know....lotta good discussion happening over in that Andy Reid thread....lol ...and no shortage of lies and misrepresentations being shared! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 3 minutes ago, Augie said: ...and no shortage of lies and misrepresentations being shared! Willful ignorance cannot not be excused with pity or condolences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Willful ignorance cannot not be excused with pity or condolences. But we still read your posts. Sometimes. I know willful ignorance when I see it. It can present itself as a sucker in (semi-) academia? I neither need nor want pity. We are blessed beyond belief. . Edited July 1, 2019 by Augie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Cripple Creek said: Flutie was shot. Finished. Used up. A noodle. If you don't get that, you don't get football. If agreeing with your ridiculous hot take constitutes getting football, then I will happily live the rest of my life not getting football ? thank you very much. Have a nice day. Go BILLS !! Edited July 1, 2019 by reddogblitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, mannc said: It’s one of the best threads of the offseason...lotta good football discussion. Look at some of the other nonsense threads on the board right now... It is a good thread. It's marred by combative attitudes, but there a lot posters in this thread who know football and know the Bills. Edited July 1, 2019 by Shaw66 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 On 6/29/2019 at 6:58 AM, Bill from NYC said: Actually, this is a fair question. is it really that hard to figure out. posters, and even more important, people like sotier tend to suck the life out of everything. put the bills aside for a minute. do you think someone like that is pleasant in real life? i guarantee they aren't. football is a game. the fact that someone has some much bitterness, angst and anger towards it is completely a downer to me. i'm sure it doesn't just end at football either, and that's sad. it has zero to do with his actual message. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 11 hours ago, Shaw66 said: It is a good thread. It's marred by combative attitudes, but there a lot posters in this thread who know football and know the Bills. And I'm here too! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, teef said: is it really that hard to figure out. posters, and even more important, people like sotier tend to suck the life out of everything. put the bills aside for a minute. do you think someone like that is pleasant in real life? i guarantee they aren't. football is a game. the fact that someone has some much bitterness, angst and anger towards it is completely a downer to me. i'm sure it doesn't just end at football either, and that's sad. it has zero to do with his actual message. Life is a rich tapestry teef and glass half empty people are just as important as glass half full people. I tend to consider myself pretty balanced (though who knows what others think) and I can find people who are always down on everything tiring to be around, but I often feel exactly the same about uber positive people. I manage a woman at the moment who is always positive, to what I consider an unrealistic level. I struggle with that too. Sometimes you need to say things as they are when they are bad rather than spinning them. She is good at her job, but she is an awful manager of her team as a result. Because their expectations as a team are never in accordance with the reality of the context in which we are working. Edited July 1, 2019 by GunnerBill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 1 hour ago, teef said: is it really that hard to figure out. posters, and even more important, people like sotier tend to suck the life out of everything. put the bills aside for a minute. do you think someone like that is pleasant in real life? i guarantee they aren't. football is a game. the fact that someone has some much bitterness, angst and anger towards it is completely a downer to me. i'm sure it doesn't just end at football either, and that's sad. it has zero to do with his actual message. And im sure none the overly positive posters settle for less in their personal lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 17 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: And I'm here too! it takes all kinds, as Gunner was just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 12 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Life is a rich tapestry teef and glass half empty people are just as important as glass half full people. I tend to consider myself pretty balanced (though who knows what others think) and I can find people who are always down on everything tiring to be around, but I often feel exactly the same about uber positive people. I manage a woman at the moment who is always positive, to what I consider an unrealistic level. I struggle with that too. Sometimes you need to say things as they are when they are bad rather than spinning them. She is good at her job, but she is an awful manager of her team as a result. Because their expectations as a team are never in accordance with the reality of the context in which we are working. Glass half empty posters are valued, Glass with just backwash remaining......... Not so much 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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