With the 9th pick the Bills take MLB Devin White

[HappyDays]

55 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

The only thing that I’ll say to that is that if those were your LBs you’d play less nickel. White is an absolute monster he’s going to be a great pro.

 

I'm not as high on White as others, I think he projects more like a top end CJ Mosley than Roquon Smith which is the comparison I keep seeing. His tackling technique is highly suspect. I just don't see the fit in a modern NFL defense that already has 2 very talented LBs. If White is still there at 9 I would see what Pittsburgh is willing to give to trade up for him.

[Logic]

6 minutes ago, Dopey said:

You're right about White and Zo, but I was thinking Edmunds being used like Zo. Edmunds would have no issue with switching over. 

Fair enough. I'm of the opinion that Edmunds shouldn't be moved from his current spot, but if White WERE to be drafted, then what you say would definitely be the way to go.

[Kirby Jackson]

2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I'm not as high on White as others, I think he projects more like a top end CJ Mosley than Roquon Smith which is the comparison I keep seeing. His tackling technique is highly suspect. I just don't see the fit in a modern NFL defense that already has 2 very talented LBs. If White is still there at 9 I would see what Pittsburgh is willing to give to trade up for him.

I guess that I’m on the other end. I’ve seen a ton of him and the game that he played against Auburn in 2017 was arguably the best game that I’ve ever seen a defensive player play live. I have him well above Roquan and Edmunds in my projections. IMO, he will be the best ILB in the game in 3 years. His game has no holes on or off the field.

[Rocket94]

1 minute ago, Logic said:

And then what happens to the guy who DOESN'T win? He languishes on the bench. 

I believe that the Bills have to employ the best players that they can. If this in fact a rebuild, or rebuild on the fly, we do not have the traditional time of yesterday to wait on players to realize their potential. We need good players that are relentless and healthy. If White would be available, I would take my chances and plug him in. No amount of deduction or intellectual exercises or percentages are necessary. The man can play football...all I need to know.

[aristocrat]

The kid is gonna be a stud. He’s about as can’t miss as you get. Sideline to sideline thumping rbs all year. I’d love the pick. 

[Rocket94]

Just now, aristocrat said:

The kid is gonna be a stud. He’s about as can’t miss as you get. Sideline to sideline thumping rbs all year. I’d love the pick. 

Good for 100+ tackles. 

[aristocrat]

3 minutes ago, Rocket94 said:

Good for 100+ tackles. 

 

I don’t know if mcd was there for lukes first year but he played outside while beason played inside.  So edmunds moving outside wouldn’t be unprecedented. Plus olbs get paid more.  Take dexter Lawrence in second.  Tight end in third. 

[gobills1212]

Alrighty then

[Rocket94]

Just now, aristocrat said:

 

I don’t know if mcd was there for lukes first year but he played outside while beason played inside.  So edmunds moving outside wouldn’t be unprecedented. Plus olbs get paid more.  Take dexter Lawrence in second.  Tight end in third. 

I bet that Edmunds would adjust well. With his talent, and the fact that he is what? 20-21? The transition would be nearly seamless. I don't know about Lawrence. I like him, but am I hearing now that the Bills are more interested in a more active, less two gap DT to compliment Star? Lawrence is potentially a force with a mean streak...we need guys like him.

[Augie]

14 minutes ago, Rocket94 said:

I believe that the Bills have to employ the best players that they can. If this in fact a rebuild, or rebuild on the fly, we do not have the traditional time of yesterday to wait on players to realize their potential. We need good players that are relentless and healthy. If White would be available, I would take my chances and plug him in. No amount of deduction or intellectual exercises or percentages are necessary. The man can play football...all I need to know.

 

I don’t believe that answers the question. 

[CaptnCoke11]

1 hour ago, WMDman said:

hes not getting past the Bucs

Probably not 

[Rocket94]

2 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

I don’t believe that answers the question. 

I believe that White is superior to Milano. Milano sits. Thats it. The Bills would have to draft White first for this to happen. This is a business...not Pop Warner or Mayberry.

[NewEra]

It’ll be a shocker if he’s still there, not that we select him

[JaCrispy]

I agree with the OP...if there is elite talent there, you take it and find a way to make it work...I believe there are ways of keeping Milano, Edmonds and white on the field at all times

Edited April 20, 2019 by JaCrispy

[Augie]

33 minutes ago, Rocket94 said:

I believe that White is superior to Milano. Milano sits. Thats it. The Bills would have to draft White first for this to happen. This is a business...not Pop Warner or Mayberry.

 

Who said it was? I was just wanting to hear your answer. Do you move Edmunds outside? Milano (if healthy) is a pretty good player to take off the field. I realize we’d keep 3 LB’s on the field more, with less nickel, but still...

 

I don’t really have a position here, I’m just thrilled with the idea that somebody who is a terrrific player will be there at #9. 

 

 

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Edited April 20, 2019 by Augie

[RocCityRoller]

1 hour ago, maryland-bills-fan said:

We can try.  Maybe after we announce our pick at #9, we run another guy up to the podium with a false mustash and announce our 9-b pick.  Worth a try.

 

Is Minnesota drafting after us? I believe they slept on a pick once...

[Peace Frog]

I'd be fine with White as the 9th pick.  We would have to get a DT in the 2nd, though.

[JM57]

2 hours ago, maryland-bills-fan said:

Shocker?  Not really.    Beane has said and shown last year, that he wants to get impact players from the draft. Not nice and good starter but impact players.   The Bills can let the draft come to them this year and they are in the position, where moving up gets real expensive. Move up one spot and it cost 50 points but every step up from that costs 100 points.   In this scenerio, Oliver, the 3 technique DT is already taken and the Bills build a linebacker corp that is awesome.  No weak links, all fast and hard-hitting stars, good in pass coverage and something that will give opposing offensives fits.  Let's look at what they have now.

 

Starters:            Milano     Edmunds     L.Alexander                quite a good start.                                 L.Alexander is sort of a DE/LB type with 13 years on the clock.

Backups;   M.Alexander(5)- a sort of safety/LB      Deon Lacey(3)           Juilus Stanford(6)       corey Thompson(2)                  Really, have you heard of these fellows?

 

 

 

Edmunds plays SAM  , Milano plays WILL and White plays MIKE.   All three are 3 down players.  Edmunds and White are threats to rush the passer.  Yes, we often played with 2 LB last year on 3rd down.  With different players, the scheme can change.  Now what about White?  ( http://walterfootball.com/draft2019ILB.php)
 

 

OKAY.   we draft 1st round linebackers in two successive years and with Milano have the best LB group in the league.  What did so scouts say about Devin White?

 

Here is how one of the National scouts summarized White:  (same Walter football piece)
 

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OKAY,  he is a difference maker and there will be no weak spots in the linebacker corp.  With our good defensive backs the defense should be outstanding.

 

Now, what about defensive tackle?     I would want Oliver but if he is gone, we will be down a tier in defensive tackles and there are a lot of high ceiling 3-technique guys with decent floors available later in the draft that we don't have to reach for.  For example:  (comments copied from walter football)
 

 

 

 

I see no reason why he couldn't move to the interior.

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We could get a short term 1 year rental of a veteran while these DT develop or just go with the Phillips and some rookie DT's.    About defensive tackles, please look at     who try to but a value on "disruptive value"   a.k.a.  (sacks + tackles for loss) per game.  Oliver, Saunders, and Zack Allen look pretty good there.https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2019/4/10/18300761/finding-the-superior-athlete-impact-defensive-tackles-in-the-2019-nfl-draft

 

Say it with me everyone. It's 2019. We need to, as a fanbase, make sure everyone knows:

 

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STOP USING WALTER FOOTBALL AS A SOURCE.

 

He is one of us, but with money sunk into a website. He is not good.

 

Onto the real meat of the post. Edmunds - White - Milano sounds great but how often were the Bills actually in their base 4-3 last year? Who comes off the field when they go to nickel or dime? 

Edited April 20, 2019 by JM57

[Rocket94]

8 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Who said it was? I was just wanting to hear your answer. Do you move Edmunds outside? Milano (if healthy) is a pretty good player to take off the field. I realize we’d keep 3 LB’s on the field more, with less nickel, but still...

 

I don’t really have a position here, I’m just thrilled with the idea that somebody who is a terrrific player will be there at #9. 

I just want to see an improved Bills defense. We all do, but we need the proper personal...we need to get after people.

[LSHMEAB]

As much as I like White, I don't see this happening even if he somehow gets past Detroit.

 

I don't believe Beane/McDermott made that enormous investment into Edmunds only to shift him outside nor do I see them taking a MLB in the top ten and moving HIM outside.

 

 

[CaptnCoke11]

10 minutes ago, Peace Frog said:

I'd be fine with White as the 9th pick.  We would have to get a DT in the 2nd, though.

No they wouldn’t.  Can’t just say hey we need a DT let’s just willy nilly take one.  After the top few DTs it thins out dramatically 

Edited April 20, 2019 by CaptnCoke11

[KOKBILLS]

There's a chance if he gets to #9...Even though I'm 100% against another 1st Rd LB, there is a chance...

 

I just doubt he gets to #9...

 

We'll see though...?

 

 

[Rocket94]

35 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

As much as I like White, I don't see this happening even if he somehow gets past Detroit.

 

I don't believe Beane/McDermott made that enormous investment into Edmunds only to shift him outside nor do I see them taking a MLB in the top ten and moving HIM outside.

 

 

Some of the Devin White theory can probably be loosely based on Mcdermott's history with LB's in his defenses.

Edited April 20, 2019 by Rocket94

[mcdamit]

Devin Bush might be a better fit.  he can play the big nickel and help out on a ton of match up issues.   If the Oliver to the Jets thing is true a trade up a few picks to get Q williams might be the play 

[Chandler#81]

What I’ve seen of him, he’s sensational. Where would he fit? Who goes to 2nd string? 

[bkep32]

I like that pick if Oliver is off the board

[Rocket94]

5 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

What I’ve seen of him, he’s sensational. Where would he fit? Who goes to 2nd string? 

That is just it...make him fit! unleash the best players that we can get. We need active and rabid play makers!

[LSHMEAB]

2 hours ago, Rocket94 said:

We have no idea how Milano will respond after this injury. Lorax is in his twilight. Bring in White based on his impact alone. I would find a way to accomodate him, or assimilate him in this defense.

Milano's broken leg is not the kind of injury that will affect him long term. He's going to be on the field as the WLB. That much I'm certain of.

[KOKBILLS]

3 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

What I’ve seen if him, he’s sensational. Where would he fit? Who goes to 2nd string? 

 

That's the problem with LB...

 

Zo took the 3rd most snaps at LB in 2018, played on most every sure Passing Down, and still only played 62% of the snaps...So even AFTER Zo retires you're talking about pushing either your top 10 pick, or Milano to under 65% of the snaps per year?

 

I don't know?...?

[Rocket94]

9 minutes ago, KOKBILLS said:

 

That's the problem with LB...

 

Zo took the 3rd most snaps at LB in 2018, played on most every sure Passing Down, and still only played 62% of the snaps...So even AFTER Zo retires you're talking about pushing either your top 10 pick, or Milano to under 65% of the snaps per year?

 

I don't know?...?

You are right. On the other hand, White's play potential cannot be ignored. It would give them more versatility.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

I wouldn't draft White but I also wouldn't be upset if they did.

Like someone else said, two years ago they had worst LB group in the NFL. Milano, Edmunds, and White would be a top 5 if not top 3 unit by 2020.

[Misterbluesky]

3 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

The only thing that I’ll say to that is that if those were your LBs you’d play less nickel. White is an absolute monster he’s going to be a great pro.

I watch ellessuu every week....you missed something.

Pro Bowler instead of great pro.

He has a strange way of knowing where the ball is going..I'm not sure if that doesn't stem from him being a film guy or he can read a qb's eyes like very few can...or it's a combination of both.Regardless...no way does he drop to nine.

[Kirby Jackson]

1 minute ago, Misterbluesky said:

I watch ellessuu every week....you missed something.

Pro Bowler instead of great pro.

He has a strange way of knowing where the ball is going..I'm not sure if that doesn't stem from him being a film guy or he can read a qb's eyes like very few can...or it's a combination of both.Regardless...no way does he drop to nine.

Yeah, he is the ultimate prospect. There aren’t holes in Devin White’s game.

[Rocket94]

1 minute ago, Misterbluesky said:

I watch ellessuu every week....you missed something.

Pro Bowler instead of great pro.

He has a strange way of knowing where the ball is going..I'm not sure if that doesn't stem from him being a film guy or he can read a qb's eyes like very few can...or it's a combination of both.Regardless...no way does he drop to nine.

Absolutely...now try to explain that to the number and statistical fans around here. 

[Misterbluesky]

10 minutes ago, Rocket94 said:

Absolutely...now try to explain that to the number and statistical fans around here. 

There isn't much to explain.When Gary Danielson,who is a SEC expert says.. "He's one of the greatest athletes to ever come through Baton Rouge"

Yeah...zoom in.

[billspro]

White and Edmunds could be the best LB duo in the league.

[maryland-bills-fan]

3 hours ago, Logic said:

I believe all of this discussion to be moot, because I believe White will be off the board before the Bills pick.

If he IS still on the board, the Bills ought to trade down with a team that wants White. The Bills, with Edmunds and Milano, simply don't have room to give White the amount of snaps he deserves. And to those citing 'Zo's usage: White is not 'Zo. they have different body types, play different positions, and there is no evidence to be found in White's history to show that he's capable of playing a part-time edge-rushing role.

I'm not denying he's a great player and that the Bills should be in the business of acquiring great players. I'm just saying that finding snaps for a middle linebacker when you already HAVE a starting middle linebacker can be difficult, and the Bills probably shouldn't use such a premium pick on a player who will be on the bench so often.

You seem to have missed the message that we would have 3 linebackers who are all good pass defenders.   This seldom happens.   Don't be rigid and give the Bills a chance to get ahead of the curve for a change.   We would play less 2 LB because of the improved pass defense with our 3 guys.   Who is
"Zo"?  Anyway.      Who is saying that White would become an EDGE rusher in obvious passing downs?   You seem to be very rigid in your thinking.    Linebackers DO NOT rush the QB from the EDGE.  There are a lot of one-trick ponies that do that better.  They blitz inside the tackles.  They do a delayed blitz after the D-line blocks are seen and the offense does not have enough o-linemen to cover BOTH sides of the center to pick the blitzing LB up.  With White AND Edunds, we would have guys on either side and the offensive would have to guess which was coming. ( or on a delayed blitz, they would be caught with their pants down and 4 blocking 3 on one side and and 2 blocking 2 on the other- which is where the LB blitz should come from.   (study some history in the Biscuit/Shane Conley age when the 4-3 started to start to understand this).    .... As to "we already have a MLB".  PLEASE.  Read the descriptions of Edmunds and White- both could play either position.  Neither is a 275 pound MLB who stuffs runs in the center. They have very similar profiles which is a good thing.

 

3 hours ago, Rocket94 said:

I believe that White is superior to Milano. Milano sits. Thats it. The Bills would have to draft White first for this to happen. This is a business...not Pop Warner or Mayberry.

Naw.  I think all 3 downs Milano plays.    By the way, what the hell do you mean about the "Pop Warner" crack?   That is a stupid, snarky comment.

 

[maryland-bills-fan]

3 hours ago, JM57 said:

 

Say it with me everyone. It's 2019. We need to, as a fanbase, make sure everyone knows:

 

?

STOP USING WALTER FOOTBALL AS A SOURCE.

 

He is one of us, but with money sunk into a website. He is not good.

 

Onto the real meat of the post. Edmunds - White - Milano sounds great but how often were the Bills actually in their base 4-3 last year? Who comes off the field when they go to nickel or dime? 

I have made a good living and part of it was thinking "outside the box."    What is wrong with the idea of going to a 3-4 defense as an alternative?   We have a bunch of so-so DE/EDGE rushers.  We could draft or cultivate some 3-4 EDGE guys and play 3 pass good LB & a safety/LB type and 2 safeties  and 2 CB  (that adds up to eleven) on those obvious passing plays at long yardage AND at 3rd and 8.  
 

[RocCityRoller]

3 hours ago, JaCrispy said:

I agree with the OP...if there is elite talent there, you take it and find a way to make it work...I believe there are ways of keeping Milano, Edmonds and white on the field at all times

Dallas seems pretty happy with Jaylon Smith and Leighton Vander Esch

 

Zo is a rotational player at this point of his career

Milano is coming off of a terrible injury

Edmunds showed flashes and flaws at times last year

 

LB is absolutely a need

Edited April 20, 2019 by RocCityRoller

[maryland-bills-fan]

3 hours ago, JM57 said:

 

Say it with me everyone. It's 2019. We need to, as a fanbase, make sure everyone knows:

 

?

STOP USING WALTER FOOTBALL AS A SOURCE.

 

He is one of us, but with money sunk into a website. He is not good.

 

Onto the real meat of the post. Edmunds - White - Milano sounds great but how often were the Bills actually in their base 4-3 last year? Who comes off the field when they go to nickel or dime? 

Well,  I wonder if you think that "because Buffalo didn't play the base 4-3 last year that much (I haven't looked it up), they will HAVE TO DO THE SAME THIS NEXT YEAR".  With different players?  We add a couple of new great players, but have to cram them into a system that got us a bad record last year?   We got a difference of opinion here !

2 hours ago, Rocket94 said:

Some of the Devin White theory can probably be loosely based on Mcdermott's history with LB's in his defenses.

Heh?    I don't know what you mean.  Not being snarky, but fill me in one what you mean by this.