SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26325397/nfl-committee-proposes-revamp-instant-replay The first proposal would add fouls for pass interference to the list of reviewable plays. The second would include fouls for pass interference but also would add fouls for roughing the passer and unnecessary hits against a defenseless receiver. Importantly, neither would allow review of plays in which no fouls were called, meaning they could not be used in the future to address the kind of controversial missed pass interference call that occurred late in the fourth quarter of the NFC Championship Game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 (edited) I feel like every complaint is beyond simple to fix. Allow coaches to challenge anything, boom, problem solved. Inconsistent refereeing? Doesn’t matter, your coach should have challenged it. I would advocate for giving coaches 2 or 3 challenges, total, for the entire game. You don’t get any back if you win 2 of them. Also, there needs to be a time clock on reviewed plays. Something like 2 minutes to review the call. If it isn’t clear after 2 minutes then do what the rule intends, stick with the original call on the field. Coaches would have to be careful about what they challenge. Absolutely everything should be reviewable. The phantom PI call on the Bills a few years back comes to mind. I think it was against the Raiders. Their WR slips going over the middle and the Bills get a PI call. Then you have the no call on the Rams against the Saints. It is simply time to allow everything to be challengeable. Let’s be honest, the game moves at a snails pace anyways. Adding an extra 2 minutes for a challenge won’t kill it. Edited March 22, 2019 by Bills2ref 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 I don't see why it should be 100% on the coach. The league should automatically review plays in the boorh. No need for the on field refs to look at anything, let a booth ref do it. Pause then game for 30 seconds and let the booth check it out. That's what college does and the AAF goes even further. Leave the coaches challenges for other things the booth won't do automatically. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 So basically you can undo PI but players can still get away with PI, late hits on QB's and defenseless players? I am reading this correctly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, peterpan said: I don't see why it should be 100% on the coach. The league should automatically review plays in the boorh. No need for the on field refs to look at anything, let a booth ref do it. Pause then game for 30 seconds and let the booth check it out. That's what college does and the AAF goes even further. Leave the coaches challenges for other things the booth won't do automatically. I am of the mindset nothing should be an automatic review. Not within 2 minutes, not scoring plays. Let the coaches challenge anything they think is wrong. The booth shouldn’t get involved unless they are requested to do so. We say “coaches” but thats really a broad term in this sense. The coach is really just the guy throwing the flag. I am sure he has about ten guys upstairs looking at it that tell him to challenge or not. Edited March 22, 2019 by Bills2ref 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, The Wiz said: So basically you can undo PI but players can still get away with PI, late hits on QB's and defenseless players? I am reading this correctly? So officials will throw the flag on anything borderline, in theory. But still wouldn’t have helped the nfc championship game. It’s like they tried to make it worse not better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 6 minutes ago, NoSaint said: So officials will throw the flag on anything borderline, in theory. But still wouldn’t have helped the nfc championship game. It’s like they tried to make it worse not better Yea sounds like a way to still screw teams over however they feel like it. No call, no challenge. Called against a favored team, reversed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 22, 2019 Author Share Posted March 22, 2019 9 minutes ago, The Wiz said: So basically you can undo PI but players can still get away with PI, late hits on QB's and defenseless players? I am reading this correctly? They already get away with it reversing a bogus flag is a benefit the RTP against Tom could very well have given KC the championship game If I read it correct 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 10 minutes ago, NoSaint said: So officials will throw the flag on anything borderline, in theory. But still wouldn’t have helped the nfc championship game. It’s like they tried to make it worse not better Only the NFL. Literally the dumbest billion-dollar industry in the history of commerce. They are just so stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Why can't the NFL set up a centralized review operation in NY every week and assign a person to each game? That person -- an "official" of sorts -- is responsible for watching the game and contacting the officiating crew if something needs to be reviewed/changed? You don't have to eliminate the coaching challenges but all of this other stuff could be handled "upstairs" -- sort of like the way the NHL "goes to Toronto" for reviews. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 21 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: They already get away with it reversing a bogus flag is a benefit the RTP against Tom could very well have given KC the championship game If I read it correct Even though you are correct that it would have and it wasn't RTP when looking at the replay, I have a hard time imagining them reversing it for him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Coaches challenge = televised and in stadium Instant replay with fan voting to determine outcome and some mechanism to normalize market size.... boom - more fan engagement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 22, 2019 Author Share Posted March 22, 2019 9 minutes ago, The Wiz said: Even though you are correct that it would have and it wasn't RTP when looking at the replay, I have a hard time imagining them reversing it for him. Sad but true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Either have all plays potentially reviewable or get rid of it altogether and accept bad calls are part of the game. I'd go with the latter myself, but trying to parse it out this way makes it ridiculous. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forward Progress Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Bills2ref said: I feel like every complaint is beyond simple to fix. Allow coaches to challenge anything, boom, problem solved. Inconsistent refereeing? Doesn’t matter, your coach should have challenged it. I would advocate for giving coaches 2 or 3 challenges, total, for the entire game. You don’t get any back if you win 2 of them. Also, there needs to be a time clock on reviewed plays. Something like 2 minutes to review the call. If it isn’t clear after 2 minutes then do what the rule intends, stick with the original call on the field. Coaches would have to be careful about what they challenge. Absolutely everything should be reviewable, absolutely. The phantom PI call on the Bills a few years back comes to mind. I think it was against the Raiders. Their WR slips going over the middle and the Bills get a PI call. Then you have the no call on the Rams against the Saints. It is simply time to allow everything to be challengeable. Let’s be honest, the game moves at a snails pace anyways. Adding an extra 2 minutes for a challenge won’t kill it. 39 minutes ago, Bills2ref said: I am of the mindset nothing should be an automatic review. Not within 2 minutes, not scoring plays. Let the coaches challenge anything they think is wrong. The booth shouldn’t get involved unless they are requested to do so. We say “coaches” but thats really a broad term in this sense. The coach is really just the guy throwing the flag. I am sure he has about ten guys upstairs looking at it that tell him to challenge or not. This summarizes exactly how I feel about reviews. It addresses the two biggest compaints: 1. Reviews take too long... Not an issue with this proposal, as each coach only has 2 or 3 challenges per game. 2. The NFL wants (insert big market team name here) to win.... Not an issue with this proposal. It is up to the coaching staffs to use their challenges judiciously. Coaches will be careful not to waste their challenges on calls that don't significantly impact the game. Instead of complaining about the referees affecting the game, the discussion will be on the coach who didn't challenge or who wasted challenges earlier in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davspo Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 The NFL should just adopt all college rules regarding reviews and overtime. The games are much more fair. However, the NFL is married to the 3 hour rule (games should be completed in 3 hours) for TV revenue purpose. They are willing to let fairness suffer in the interest of revenue. The sad part is that I do not think viewership would suffer at all, but they do not want to take the risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Yet another awful, horrible rule change idea. For the marginal benefit of overturning a handful of egregious errors, we’ll get another whole series of plays requiring an interruption to the game, and more inconsistent and capricious interpretation of the rules by the officials, resulting in even more benefit for the NFL marquee teams. All those reviews still can’t determine if a guy is holding a football yet they are going to determine if a DBs partially blocked arm is pushing against a WR or merely adjacent to his body? Good luck with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, davspo said: The NFL should just adopt all college rules regarding reviews and overtime. The games are much more fair. However, the NFL is married to the 3 hour rule (games should be completed in 3 hours) for TV revenue purpose. They are willing to let fairness suffer in the interest of revenue. The sad part is that I do not think viewership would suffer at all, but they do not want to take the risk. The thing is, if the NFL followed their own rules, the games would still be 3 hours or less. If the call doesn’t have conclusive evidence then it is supposed to stand. So why stare at 100 different replays twenty times? If it is that subtle then it should stand. The solution is to put a time limit on officials reviews. 2-3 minutes in my opinion. If you can’t find evidence to overturn in 2-3 minutes the call should be standing anyways. Edited March 22, 2019 by Bills2ref Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 2 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26325397/nfl-committee-proposes-revamp-instant-replay The first proposal would add fouls for pass interference to the list of reviewable plays. The second would include fouls for pass interference but also would add fouls for roughing the passer and unnecessary hits against a defenseless receiver. Importantly, neither would allow review of plays in which no fouls were called, meaning they could not be used in the future to address the kind of controversial missed pass interference call that occurred late in the fourth quarter of the NFC Championship Game. This rule will work out well for the Patriots. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Direhard Fan Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Address correcting the missed call in the NFC championship game with another official in the booth and leave everything else alone. Have refs call the game like its a playoff. Let them play ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Revising OT is simple. Each team possesses the ball at least once, and the 2-pt conversion is removed as an option. You need to give each team a chance with the ball because the team that wins the coin toss has a statistically significant advantage over their opponent (roughly 60% win rate). Why allow the bounce of a coin on the turf to play a major role in the outcome? It makes no sense. I suggest removing the 2-pt conversion as an option in OT because having that option favors the team that scores second. Make those two changes and I think you've got an OT format everyone can live with. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 I actually love the idea of allowing challenges on EVERYTHING. Why not? The whole "judgement call" business is silly. The challenge is based on the fact that you disagree with a particular official's judgement. Allow someone in a booth time to properly judge whether the judgement was correct. The nightmare scenario I could envision is a guy appears to jump Offside on a critical possession, flag flies, and the QB throws a pick on a "free play." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 2 hours ago, Bills2ref said: The thing is, if the NFL followed their own rules, the games would still be 3 hours or less. If the call doesn’t have conclusive evidence then it is supposed to stand. So why stare at 100 different replays twenty times? If it is that subtle then it should stand. The solution is to put a time limit on officials reviews. 2-3 minutes in my opinion. If you can’t find evidence to overturn in 2-3 minutes the call should be standing anyways. Why even two minutes? 30 seconds is enough. Do it from the booth. A zebra in the booth does a "replay pause" with a res light blinking on the sidelines. The TV crew goes to a quick picture in picture ad (more revenue) and then after 30 seconds it either is changed or stands. Simple quick no BS red flags and refs running 60 yards across the field to the TV screens and headsets. Also, it's freaking 2019. Get a freaking micro chip in the dang ball and use that for TDs and first downs, out of bounds etc. Hell there's even technology that could confirm fumbles and caught passes for Pete's sake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 every fan base thinks it is getting ripped off every play even the Pats think they are being screwed over totally it's not just you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 13 minutes ago, row_33 said: every fan base thinks it is getting ripped off every play even the Pats think they are being screwed over totally it's not just you... I know it will never gain traction, but I think you had the most sensible suggestion I've heard: no more slo-motion instant replay. If you can't determine a blown call at game speed it's not worth over-turning. Instead the NFL will continue to micro-manage the problem and apply a different size bandage to a different type of wound every year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 3 hours ago, NoSaint said: So officials will throw the flag on anything borderline, in theory. But still wouldn’t have helped the nfc championship game. It’s like they tried to make it worse not better They are saying we were right despite complaints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Section27 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 I believe it would be very helpful if all replay reviews were done at real-time speed. That would be more fair to the refs, and faster. No super slow motion replays. If there is no conclusive evidence to overturn at game speed, the play stands. Egregious errors would still be corrected. Why review something in slo-mo? The refs can only see the play in real time. Replay should be the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 The problem is the rules have become so long that it is hard to follow them but there are some coaches like teenagers trying to exploit the boundaries to get any advantage despite them violating the spirit of the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 2 hours ago, Section27 said: I believe it would be very helpful if all replay reviews were done at real-time speed. That would be more fair to the refs, and faster. No super slow motion replays. If there is no conclusive evidence to overturn at game speed, the play stands. Egregious errors would still be corrected. Why review something in slo-mo? The refs can only see the play in real time. Replay should be the same. nope, they have to slow it to a millionth of a second look how they overturned 100 years of baseball rules for no good reason but that superslomo tech expense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 24, 2019 Author Share Posted March 24, 2019 Limit all replays to 60 seconds. If if you can’t decide by then move on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 Just let them review everything and stop playing games. The refs are the single worst thing about the nfl. Stop letting their incompetence decide outcomes. Or go centralized review somewhere and stop the game when there is an issue. Like hockey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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