apuszczalowski Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 4 hours ago, TOboy said: Not sure he solves any problems. Perhaps on a short deal with not a lot committed, but then why would he pick us unless he sees this as the best opportunity to re-build his value. Seems unlikely. He (like many others) would immediately step in as the best WR on the roster if he signed here, so theres that...... Can he still catch balls that hit him in the hands or chest? If so, then sign him up..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 We need a boatload of help at WR. A veteran with skills is one of the many things we need, and a check-please Garcon is a viable cheap option for that part. We need either a huge FA/trade acquisition or top draft pick rook as a #1, a veteran, plus another young guy with actual skills and production to go along with Foster, Zay, and possibly Duke. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 This year's Anquan Boldin? Pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctk232 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: Plus, Deonte is a UFA. Not sure if he will even be re-signed. Here are the WRs currently on the roster: Zay Jones Robert Foster Da’Mari Scott Victor Bolden, Jr isaiah McKenzie Ray-Ray McCloud Cam Phillips Duke Williams they need a talent infusion, yes. They also need a veteran, badly. These are all young players. Very little experience. I should also clarify - I have nothing against a predominantly young group of WRs, albeit, equally weighing their performance as well. But the effects can be felt for the lack of a truly competent veteran presence that neither KB nor Holmes could ever really hope to provide. Hopefully Hall can provide some of this from the coaches perspective. While not a top tier signing/pick-up, he has at least demonstrated his ability to perform under multiple offenses, QBs, and teams, and should be worth signing for the right price. Edited February 14, 2019 by ctk232 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 2 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said: Or "Peter Boy". Both names pretty cringe-worthy. This would imply that when he grows up he will be PeterMan. We've already been down that road and it wasn't good... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 In a pissing match nobody piss like Garcon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 Bring in Garçon? The cedilla under the ‘c’ on his jersey will probably cause the equipment manager too much angst...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: You want to only bring 3 WRs to TC? Last year,I believe the staff had 11 or 12 at one point in mid August. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 5 minutes ago, Misterbluesky said: Last year,I believe the staff had 11 or 12 at one point in mid August. Yep! And one of them was almost good! 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 5 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: Yep! And one of them was almost good! Behind closed doors,OBD knew that.You know darn well...things will be very different this spring/summer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 8 minutes ago, Misterbluesky said: Behind closed doors,OBD knew that.You know darn well...things will be very different this spring/summer... Not a chance they knew that. They thought some of those guys were very good and would produce, and they were wrong. The same way that McDermott thought Peterout was pretty good and would produce and was wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 7 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: Not a chance they knew that. They thought some of those guys were very good and would produce, and they were wrong. The same way that McDermott thought Peterout was pretty good and would produce and was wrong. After the first 2 weeks of the season,they weren't expecting KB to have 2 catches for 25 yds...he was the only guy that they were yapping about... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 33 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: Not a chance they knew that. They thought some of those guys were very good and would produce, and they were wrong. The same way that McDermott thought Peterout was pretty good and would produce and was wrong. Gotta say I disagree on that....... - THey knew they were cap strapped this past year......and were playing with what they had - KB if they had better they would have replaced him.....eventually they just replaced him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 "Garcon’s release leaves behind $7.2M of dead cap to the #49ers, clearing $1.525M of cap space." Wow. That doesn't exactly say the 49ers think highly of him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 Pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessAccepted Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 6 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: There is no doubt at all that Tate is the better player at this time. But like you said, that’s going to be a tough get. I’m not worried about the money he will demand as much as where he, as a WR with options, would want to play. Just reality. He's getting up there in age so he may be more inclined to a place like Buffalo where the receiving crew is such that his role may be greater than with other teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 46 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Gotta say I disagree on that....... - THey knew they were cap strapped this past year......and were playing with what they had - KB if they had better they would have replaced him.....eventually they just replaced him That is not mutually exclusive from what we were talking about and what I was saying. All I was responding to was the fact that Beane and McDermott "knew" none of these guys were good and yet signed, and played and put their prize draft pick with them knowing they all suck. There is not a chance that happened. They thought KB and Zay and Kerley and probably a couple other guys were legitimate NFL players that would produce enough to win some games with a solid defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 12 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: That is not mutually exclusive from what we were talking about and what I was saying. All I was responding to was the fact that Beane and McDermott "knew" none of these guys were good and yet signed, and played and put their prize draft pick with them knowing they all suck. There is not a chance that happened. They thought KB and Zay and Kerley and probably a couple other guys were legitimate NFL players that would produce enough to win some games with a solid defense. The releasing of Kerley will always be puzzling to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 14, 2019 Author Share Posted February 14, 2019 12 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: The releasing of Kerley will always be puzzling to me He didn’t sign with anyone else so must not have been worth a roster spot. The signing was worse than the release I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 40 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: That is not mutually exclusive from what we were talking about and what I was saying. All I was responding to was the fact that Beane and McDermott "knew" none of these guys were good and yet signed, and played and put their prize draft pick with them knowing they all suck. There is not a chance that happened. They thought KB and Zay and Kerley and probably a couple other guys were legitimate NFL players that would produce enough to win some games with a solid defense. I forgot about Kerley. I understand that circumstances weren't ripe to lure top talent.......but holysh*t what a horrendous class of free agents in offseason 1 from Brandon Beane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 I dont see room on the roster for someone like Garcon UNLESS they are going to cut/trade Zay or Duke. We will likely only carry 6 WRs with the 6th guy being more for ST like McKenzie or signing someone like Patterson. Foster, Duke, and Zay already make up 3 of the other 5. I doubt Garcon and a rookie WR is all they would do to address the WR position this year. There is no way we won't be drafting a WR in first 3 rounds, and could take one in the first. With or without Garcon, I would expect they still try and sign a better FA WR too. With only 5 spots to fill (6th being for the ST guy) I just cant see where Garcon gets a roster spot. I would put this as very low odds of happening as a result. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: I dont see room on the roster for someone like Garcon UNLESS they are going to cut/trade Zay or Duke. We will likely only carry 6 WRs with the 6th guy being more for ST like McKenzie or signing someone like Patterson. Foster, Duke, and Zay already make up 3 of the other 5. I doubt Garcon and a rookie WR is all they would do to address the WR position this year. There is no way we won't be drafting a WR in first 3 rounds, and could take one in the first. With or without Garcon, I would expect they still try and sign a better FA WR too. With only 5 spots to fill (6th being for the ST guy) I just cant see where Garcon gets a roster spot. I would put this as very low odds of happening as a result. ...and our success rate of these type of signings leaves a ton to be desired....even tried resigning the same guy two or three times......new philosophy please............ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 Just now, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...and our success rate of these type of signings leaves a ton to be desired....even tried resigning the same guy two or three times......new philosophy please............ I do love the Duke signing though and of course the Foster signing. He has some serious potential. I know he has to prove it in the NFL, but this kid always had a ton of talent, was just off field stuff that landed him in CFL and he certainly seems to have learned from his mistakes and turned a corner. He has Brandon Marshall or Dez Bryant type game to him. Now he has to show he can keep it going in the NFL, but I am very bullish on this signing. I have said several times in other threads I am not convinced Zay will be any higher than 4th on depth chart come week 1, and could be lower or even not on the roster anymore. Foster already passed him, I think Duke has the potential to do so too, and I am sure we will sign a FA still and draft one, both of which will be higher on the depth chart than Zay. His best shot is to out play Duke, but right now, I like Duke in that battle if I was to bet on it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: I do love the Duke signing though and of course the Foster signing. He has some serious potential. I know he has to prove it in the NFL, but this kid always had a ton of talent, was just off field stuff that landed him in CFL and he certainly seems to have learned from his mistakes and turned a corner. He has Brandon Marshall or Dez Bryant type game to him. Now he has to show he can keep it going in the NFL, but I am very bullish on this signing. I have said several times in other threads I am not convinced Zay will be any higher than 4th on depth chart come week 1, and could be lower or even not on the roster anymore. Foster already passed him, I think Duke has the potential to do so too, and I am sure we will sign a FA still and draft one, both of which will be higher on the depth chart than Zay. His best shot is to out play Duke, but right now, I like Duke in that battle if I was to bet on it. 'Dwag: despite some of the expected "nothing but camp fodder" from our usual TBD "posting gems", I'm on board with giving Duke a legitimate shot.......indiscretions and bad choices took him north of the border...BUT....by most accounts, he has exorcised those demons and is recommitted to football....the kid has a "once in a lifetime NFL opportunity" now on his plate and kudos to the McBeane gang for "searching north"....it is "carpe diem" son and the choice is his....I'm not yet convinced that it is time to throw in the "Zay towel"......again, the youngster faces "carpe diem" and only HE can decide......millions are there for the taking for BOTH IMO...... Edited February 14, 2019 by OldTimeAFLGuy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 6 hours ago, ColoradoBills said: Same here, but I really believe Beane will bring in an older vet to help Josh. A motivated veteran WR is definitely a good way to go. Garcon would be on that list, I just think not on top. Is Anquan Boldin still available or is he busy fighting for social justice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Saint Doug said: Is Anquan Boldin still available or is he busy fighting for social justice? ...heard he was breast feeding Vontae at halftime............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 14, 2019 Author Share Posted February 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, Saint Doug said: Is Anquan Boldin still available or is he busy fighting for social justice? He was at the nfl honors ceremony. They had all the past winners of the man of the year award up on stage when it was presented to Chris Long Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 39 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: 'Dwag: despite some of the expected "nothing but camp fodder" from our usual TBD "posting gems", I'm on board with giving Duke a legitimate shot.......indiscretions and bad choices took him north of the border...BUT....by most accounts, he has exorcised those demons and is recommitted to football....the kid has a "once in a lifetime NFL opportunity" now on his plate and kudos to the McBeane gang for "searching north"....it is "carpe diem" son and the choice is his....I'm not yet convinced that it is time to throw in the "Zay towel"......again, the youngster faces "carpe diem" and only HE can decide......millions are there for the taking for BOTH IMO...... Yeah for sure, definitely not saying throw in the towel on Zay. Just saying I see him staring down the barrel of an uphill climb right now. He has yet to establish himself as excelling in any area of his job, this is a make or break offseason for him I believe simply due to a numbers crunch. Reality is we are likely signing a quality WR in FA then drafting one. Already thats those 2 relevant guys, plus Foster (who is already ahead of Zay) and then Duke and Zay. And its not out of the question for them to add even one more WR to the mix via FA or Draft. The only way Zays job isnt in jeopardy is if we only bring in one more WR, likely via draft, into the mix with Foster, Zay and Duke. Then he is probably a front runner to play in the slot. But I find that not very likely and the most likely scenario is a FA and a high drafted rookie. I have nothing against Zay, was excited when we drafted him, but he has been quite disappointing so far and I expect there will be stiff competition along side him this offseason. If I am Zay I am paying close attention to both how many WR's they bring in and to WHO they are. For instance, if we sign Humphries, I think Zays days are numbered. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starr Almighty Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 If prefer AB over Garcon it's close but I'll take AB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 Never been a Garcon fan. He's burned me in fantasy football a couple times. He's just one of those guys you consider picking up when all your receivers are on bye or injured, but if you do you regret it later. He has a name people recognize for some reason, so I think he'll get paid more than he is worth. I hope the Bills aren't that team. Now, if he comes cheap and wants to be a mentor for the WR room, I'd be down for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 We could get Garçon or see if Jerry Butler is still interested in playing. Garçon is about two years younger but Jerry is a Buffalo guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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