Jauronimo Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 On 1/19/2019 at 1:09 PM, Nextmanup said: Your opinions aren't controversial, they're just ignorant. Read and learn...and if you're still relatively young, go to school. Unfortunately, a certain demographic in our country has decided college is a waste of time which is a really dangerous place to be as a nation. http://www.aplu.org/projects-and-initiatives/college-costs-tuition-and-financial-aid/publicuvalues/employment-earnings.html https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/326995-census-more-americans-have-college-degrees-than-ever-before More young Americans have college degrees now than at any other time in our history, so I'm not sure what you're talking about. The idea of college as mandatory is a relatively new concept and its being re-examined. It wasn't that long ago that you didn't need a degree to be successful. Now a college degree is the new high school diploma. Its not an achievement, its an expectation. Yet my generation was still sold the idea that you go to college and you're guaranteed a good job and the American Dream and all that *****. Get good grades, get into the best school you can, and it will all be worthwhile. "You'll have that $120k in debt paid off in no time with the amazing job you'll get with your shiny new degree, kid!" Problem is its not true and because the lofty idea of education as pure and noble the environment has not been suitable to have the necessary conversation about how the sausage actually gets made. A fair number of kids I graduated with found waiting tables at Applebee's was paying more than entry level jobs. Which brings us to this: https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertfarrington/2018/12/12/student-loan-bubble-wont-burst/#5f16d3ca6768 We're not doing kids any favors by allowing them to take out crippling debt because education cannot hurt. The simple fact is that if everyone in the world were college educated someone would still need to clean my toilet. Cleaning my toilet can be tough (I've got some real trick shot magic going on since I got back from Mexico) but you don't need much of an education to get that baby sparkling. 21 minutes ago, teef said: i think many, (possibly the majority) are homeless due to mental health issues. Feed the homeless to the starving. Kill 2 birds with 1 stone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, The Real Buffalo Joe said: Oh yeah. Looking back, we all find it hilarious. one hot summer afternoon at an outdoor Arts Festival in Rochester my son (now 2 1/2 to 3) was in a stroller and it was a little hot, he was tired and whiny. Some old crone was saying we were abusing him and that she left her kids at home. My wife turned to her and said .. Oh, so you neglected your children. we walked away from the crone as her mouth hung open, Edited January 21, 2019 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve O Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Jauronimo said: Adults who are still picky eaters have low IQs. Bumper stickers of any kind are for picky eaters. Leaving your shopping cart propped up on a curb or free to roam around a parking lot should be punishable by jail time. Walk it back to the corral you lazy f@#$s! Also, using a weight bench as a coffee table and doing exercises next to the bench should be punishable by hard jail time. Lying about your connecting flight leaving in 10 minutes to deplane faster, jumping up a boarding group, cutting in line, not re-racking your weights, and the myriad other things people do to game the system and save precious seconds doesn't make you clever. It makes you an #######. Haven't seen the statistics for the first two. If I ever run for office, the next two will be part of my platform. Don't fly, but most of what you say in the last one make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Buffalo Joe Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Jauronimo said: Adults who are still picky eaters have low IQs. Bumper stickers of any kind are for picky eaters. Leaving your shopping cart propped up on a curb or free to roam around a parking lot should be punishable by jail time. Walk it back to the corral you lazy f@#$s! Also, using a weight bench as a coffee table and doing exercises next to the bench should be punishable by hard jail time. Lying about your connecting flight leaving in 10 minutes to deplane faster, jumping up a boarding group, cutting in line, not re-racking your weights, and the myriad other things people do to game the system and save precious seconds doesn't make you clever. It makes you an #######. When I was a cart boy back in high school I used to have one of those machines. So I'd have a row of about 20 carts. When I'd see someone leave their cart in their spot, I'd run over there, block their car in with my carts, and take my sweet ass time getting their cart on my line. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Jauronimo said: https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/326995-census-more-americans-have-college-degrees-than-ever-before More young Americans have college degrees now than at any other time in our history, so I'm not sure what you're talking about. The idea of college as mandatory is a relatively new concept and its being re-examined. It wasn't that long ago that you didn't need a degree to be successful. Now a college degree is the new high school diploma. Its not an achievement, its an expectation. Yet my generation was still sold the idea that you go to college and you're guaranteed a good job and the American Dream and all that *****. Get good grades, get into the best school you can, and it will all be worthwhile. "You'll have that $120k in debt paid off in no time with the amazing job you'll get with your shiny new degree, kid!" Problem is its not true and because the lofty idea of education as pure and noble the environment has not been suitable to have the necessary conversation about how the sausage actually gets made. A fair number of kids I graduated with found waiting tables at Applebee's was paying more than entry level jobs. Which brings us to this: https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertfarrington/2018/12/12/student-loan-bubble-wont-burst/#5f16d3ca6768 We're not doing kids any favors by allowing them to take out crippling debt because education cannot hurt. The simple fact is that if everyone in the world were college educated someone would still need to clean my toilet. Cleaning my toilet can be tough (I've got some real trick shot magic going on since I got back from Mexico) but you don't need much of an education to get that baby sparkling. Sounds like you have a degree...are you saying it was a bad investment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Jauronimo said: https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/326995-census-more-americans-have-college-degrees-than-ever-before More young Americans have college degrees now than at any other time in our history, so I'm not sure what you're talking about. The idea of college as mandatory is a relatively new concept and its being re-examined. It wasn't that long ago that you didn't need a degree to be successful. Now a college degree is the new high school diploma. Its not an achievement, its an expectation. Yet my generation was still sold the idea that you go to college and you're guaranteed a good job and the American Dream and all that *****. Get good grades, get into the best school you can, and it will all be worthwhile. "You'll have that $120k in debt paid off in no time with the amazing job you'll get with your shiny new degree, kid!" Problem is its not true and because the lofty idea of education as pure and noble the environment has not been suitable to have the necessary conversation about how the sausage actually gets made. In Canada the mandatory University degree thing has been a hard rule since the early 1970s, that may have been how your parent(s) raised you though. Everyone in my factory town thought it was their right to go to University in the early 1980s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 15 minutes ago, row_33 said: In Canada the mandatory University degree thing has been a hard rule since the early 1970s, that may have been how your parent(s) raised you though. Everyone in my factory town thought it was their right to go to University in the early 1980s. who pays for university? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 (edited) Open container laws are just plain stupid. So i can go into a bar, slam two beers, drive away..no issues. Drink those same two beers in the car..somehow not only can i get a ticket, I am an evil person!!! Is it the actual act of drinking a liquid that is the problem? Edited January 21, 2019 by plenzmd1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Buffalo Joe Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 1 minute ago, plenzmd1 said: Open container laws are just plain stupid. So i can go into a bar, slam two beers, leave..no issues. Drink those same two beers in the car..somehow not only can i get a ticket, I am an evil person!!! Is it the actual act of drinking a liquid that is the problem? Not to mention, why the hell can't a passenger drink? He's not driving, let him drink all he wants as far as I care. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 7 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: Open container laws are just plain stupid. So i can go into a bar, slam two beers, drive away..no issues. Drink those same two beers in the car..somehow not only can i get a ticket, I am an evil person!!! Is it the actual act of drinking a liquid that is the problem? in 2002 Texas adopted the Open container laws prior to the summer of 2002 you could drink, drive and have a loaded shotgun behind your head on the gun rack which is worse spill a beer or HOT coffee ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 43 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Sounds like you have a degree...are you saying it was a bad investment? Yes, going to a top 50 has been irrelevant. I could be exactly where I am today with a state school education. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 33 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: who pays for university? Canadian tuition is a fraction of the US levels. $6,700 to $13,000 for 2018-19 depending on materials used for courses. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 After the age of 18 athletic shoes should only be worn for athletic pursuits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve O Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 1 hour ago, The Real Buffalo Joe said: Not to mention, why the hell can't a passenger drink? He's not driving, let him drink all he wants as far as I care. Heck no. The more he drinks the more I have to pull over so he can offload. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 On 1/19/2019 at 6:16 PM, Joe in Winslow said: Only veterans should have a vote. On 1/19/2019 at 7:23 PM, Gugny said: This is bad. The sole reason I got out of the Navy was due to the amount of absolute idiots I was surrounded by (and had to call "sir") every day He only said veterans should have a vote. He did not say the officers' votes would count. I was rejected when I applied to both Air Force and Coast Guard. I was told my Air Force recruiter "we would sign pregnant 50 year old males before you" due to a medical condition. 8 years later it was determined that the doctor (someone who went to college yes) made a misdiagnosis and I did not have the medical condition. On 1/19/2019 at 8:40 PM, snafu said: Everyone should serve in a branch of the armed forces for a minimum of two years and in peacetime, should be tasked to do public works projects. No one should be eligible for college admission without certified service. See my previous post. Applied for and was not allowed to enlist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 8 minutes ago, Limeaid said: He only said veterans should have a vote. He did not say the officers' votes would count. I was rejected when I applied to both Air Force and Coast Guard. I was told my Air Force recruiter "we would sign pregnant 50 year old males before you" due to a medical condition. 8 years later it was determined that the doctor (someone who went to college yes) made a misdiagnosis and I did not have the medical condition. See my previous post. Applied for and was not allowed to enlist. And now you're a senior engineer supervisor. Dodging the draft was probably the smartest thing you ever did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Just now, Jauronimo said: And now you're a senior engineer supervisor. Dodging the draft was probably the smartest thing you ever did. I did not dodge the draft, too young for it, although I did sign up for selective service. If I made the Air Force I think I'd be making more now than I am now. I would have had college paid for by AF (was planning on going ROTC), would have had health insurance in college ensuring I'd have been treated for illness I had in college for which cost me two years of college, and based on what work AF wanted me for before they asked medical conditions I'd be making more money as well. I probably should have gotten a laywer and disputed medical diagnosis or just left it off form but I was too young and naive at the time. 5 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Forcible rapist should be castrated Pedophiles/sexual predators should be castrated Unfortunately legal system is not perfect and there are falsely accused people. How do you correct such mistakes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Doesn’t everyone sign up for selective service? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Doesn’t everyone sign up for selective service? No. Many of the jobs I worked early in career were DoD related but I knew a number of people my age who worked in non DoD fields who didn't. Some were conscientious objectors and some just had the money to not need anything which required signing up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 10 minutes ago, Limeaid said: Unfortunately legal system is not perfect and there are falsely accused people. How do you correct such mistakes? I addressed that earlier fals accusers should be prosecuted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Just now, ShadyBillsFan said: I addressed that earlier fals accusers should be prosecuted That does not correct the castration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 11 minutes ago, Limeaid said: No. Many of the jobs I worked early in career were DoD related but I knew a number of people my age who worked in non DoD fields who didn't. Some were conscientious objectors and some just had the money to not need anything which required signing up. I'm pretty sure everyone registers when they turn 18. I know I had to and I had no intention of joining the military. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 26 minutes ago, Limeaid said: That does not correct the castration. There aren't a lot of fixes for wrongful castration. Prosthetic technology just isn't there yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 6 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: There aren't a lot of fixes for wrongful castration. Prosthetic technology just isn't there yet. The title does say controversial Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve O Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 41 minutes ago, Limeaid said: That does not correct the castration. Reminds me of an old Polish saying. If your horse has a broken leg, you can shoot the horse, but that won't fix the leg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 On 1/19/2019 at 2:11 PM, Juror#8 said: Man this one is tough for me - putting me in a weird space. I gotta know ... are you basing this on longevity, verisimilitude, competence, or just overall badassery in the captain’s chair? Ok, well we know he didn’t pick Picard based on that standard. That’s James Tiberius Kirk all the way homey ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 I love snow. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 37 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said: Ok, well we know he didn’t pick Picard based on that standard. That’s James Tiberius Kirk all the way homey ? If i was going on a long term military expedition, I would go with Picard if i was going on a Viking raid, I would go with Kirk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 2 hours ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said: I love snow. Atlanta? From what I've heard even snow lovers wouldn't want to be in Atlanta when it snows there. For the record, I love snow too. We get a few storms each year on Long Island and it grinds my gears when anyone ***** about it. For Gods sake, move to Atlanta if you don't like snow!!! ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 4 hours ago, Limeaid said: I did not dodge the draft, too young for it, although I did sign up for selective service. If I made the Air Force I think I'd be making more now than I am now. I would have had college paid for by AF (was planning on going ROTC), would have had health insurance in college ensuring I'd have been treated for illness I had in college for which cost me two years of college, and based on what work AF wanted me for before they asked medical conditions I'd be making more money as well. I probably should have gotten a laywer and disputed medical diagnosis or just left it off form but I was too young and naive at the time. Unfortunately legal system is not perfect and there are falsely accused people. How do you correct such mistakes? You are the “Forest Gump” of Two Bills Drive. No matter how many different people or groups try to screw you over (company, Air Force, military doctors, or the guy standing in front of you at a game blocking your view) in the end, you take care of business and succeed. Well done sir!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 3 hours ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said: I love snow. I also love snow. I like to go visit it in Colorado, Utah, Vermont, etc. It’s great as long as I have my return flight booked. I pray I never live north of Atlanta ever again. I’m a wussy, no argument from me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 Crunchy Peanut Butter > Smooth 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nervous Guy Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 I miss 26CB 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 22 minutes ago, Nervous Guy said: I miss 26CB 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 12 hours ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said: I love snow. As long as I don't have to shovel it and it stays white. 1 hour ago, Nervous Guy said: I miss 26CB awwwe what are you looking for ? I can copy and paste anything you need I'd say PM me but I get Nervous when I get a notification from an Admin 1 hour ago, /dev/null said: Crunchy Peanut Butter > Smooth Peter Pan > Jiff 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChevyVanMiller Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 Despite what scientists say I count the tomato as a vegetable, not a fruit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 9 minutes ago, ChevyVanMiller said: Despite what scientists say I count the tomato as a vegetable, not a fruit. The Supreme Court took your side. A victory for all the sensible people out there! Nix v. Hedden, 149 U.S. 304 (1893), was a decision by the Supreme Court of the United States that, under U.S. customs regulations, the tomato should be classified as a vegetable rather than a fruit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Buffalo Joe Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 17 hours ago, Limeaid said: He only said veterans should have a vote. He did not say the officers' votes would count. I was rejected when I applied to both Air Force and Coast Guard. I was told my Air Force recruiter "we would sign pregnant 50 year old males before you" due to a medical condition. 8 years later it was determined that the doctor (someone who went to college yes) made a misdiagnosis and I did not have the medical condition. See my previous post. Applied for and was not allowed to enlist. I was interested in all branches of the military, except for the Air Force for some reason. Which is ironic, considering I married into a family where my father in law was in the Air Force, and my brother in law is currently in. When I was in Boy Scouts, in 7th grade, it was right after 9/11. We took a tour of a Coast Guard base somewhere near Cleveland, and I was absolutely fascinated by the whole thing. If they would have let me join right then and there, I would have. Unfortunatly, I was the classic story of smart kid that was lazy in high school, so I was a straight C student, and the recruiter I talked to let me down gently, basically telling me not to waste my time. Then a friend of mine wanted the referal bonus, so I started talking to an army recruiter. He had some guys from my high school, and a few of the local ones come in once a week for physical fitness stuff, and teach us army strategy stuff. He asked me what my dream college was. At the time, I was pretty big into Notre Dame football, but knew I had no chance. Recruiter told me that if I joined the army, he could get me into Notre Dame, without tuition. My dad was totally against it. "He's full of it. You're just gonna get your @$$ shot off in Iraq of Afghanistan. Have you looked into the Navy?" So we talked to a Navy recruiter, and I decided that's where I wanted to go. But I was still way out of shape. So I decided to put the military off for a year, and take some courses at ECC. While I was there, I made a friend that's about ten years older than me. He was trying to get into the Marines, but had trouble with the ASVAB. Not because he wasn't smart, but the math he was taught, and the math I was taught, which is what was on the test. (No, not Common Core. I'm about three years too old.) So I helped him learn math, and he helped me work out. Went to the recruiting office with him. Talked to the recruiter while I was there, but honestly didn't have much interest. My heart was still set on the Navy. I went to the Navy recruiter. Took the ASVAB test, and basically aced it except the mechanical part. Recruiter said it was the highest score he'd ever seen. But when I got on the scale, he told me to come back when I lost more weight. I started working out. Got in decent shape, but lost interest in joining. Realized I was more or less looking to get away from home more than I really wanted a military career. Moved to Texas with my cousin, gained weight, and haven't looked back. Glad I didn't. Military wasn't for me. I even made friends with that army recruiter that told me he could get me into Notre Dame. We hung around a few of the same bars. He admit to me that it was his job to recruit me, but he knew from the get go that my personality just wasn't a good fit for the army. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 16 hours ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said: I love snow. Says the guy who doesn't have to commute in it with eighty billion numbskulls sliding all over the place 17 minutes ago, The Real Buffalo Joe said: I was interested in all branches of the military, except for the Air Force for some reason. Which is ironic, considering I married into a family where my father in law was in the Air Force, and my brother in law is currently in. When I was in Boy Scouts, in 7th grade, it was right after 9/11. We took a tour of a Coast Guard base somewhere near Cleveland, and I was absolutely fascinated by the whole thing. If they would have let me join right then and there, I would have. Unfortunatly, I was the classic story of smart kid that was lazy in high school, so I was a straight C student, and the recruiter I talked to let me down gently, basically telling me not to waste my time. Then a friend of mine wanted the referal bonus, so I started talking to an army recruiter. He had some guys from my high school, and a few of the local ones come in once a week for physical fitness stuff, and teach us army strategy stuff. He asked me what my dream college was. At the time, I was pretty big into Notre Dame football, but knew I had no chance. Recruiter told me that if I joined the army, he could get me into Notre Dame, without tuition. My dad was totally against it. "He's full of it. You're just gonna get your @$$ shot off in Iraq of Afghanistan. Have you looked into the Navy?" So we talked to a Navy recruiter, and I decided that's where I wanted to go. But I was still way out of shape. So I decided to put the military off for a year, and take some courses at ECC. While I was there, I made a friend that's about ten years older than me. He was trying to get into the Marines, but had trouble with the ASVAB. Not because he wasn't smart, but the math he was taught, and the math I was taught, which is what was on the test. (No, not Common Core. I'm about three years too old.) So I helped him learn math, and he helped me work out. Went to the recruiting office with him. Talked to the recruiter while I was there, but honestly didn't have much interest. My heart was still set on the Navy. I went to the Navy recruiter. Took the ASVAB test, and basically aced it except the mechanical part. Recruiter said it was the highest score he'd ever seen. But when I got on the scale, he told me to come back when I lost more weight. I started working out. Got in decent shape, but lost interest in joining. Realized I was more or less looking to get away from home more than I really wanted a military career. Moved to Texas with my cousin, gained weight, and haven't looked back. Glad I didn't. Military wasn't for me. I even made friends with that army recruiter that told me he could get me into Notre Dame. We hung around a few of the same bars. He admit to me that it was his job to recruit me, but he knew from the get go that my personality just wasn't a good fit for the army. I tried to join the chair force before joining the Army. The recruiter was never in his office when I came by. Best thing to ever happen to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Says the guy who doesn't have to commute in it with eighty billion numbskulls sliding all over the place I tried to join the chair force before joining the Army. The recruiter was never in his office when I came by. Best thing to ever happen to me. Just FYI, only in ATL will they cancel schools and everything else, along with emptying the store shelves, for even the chance that we get a dusting. My fav is watching local news gear up like our tectonic plate just swapped out with Greenland’s. It does snow prob once or maybe twice in a season, and usually is gone by the following day; but wow, those 24 hours are something to behold. And no one here has adequate tires for even that, to say nothing of driving skills for it. So my life and limbs are still prob in more danger over that one day on the roads than yours for an entire winter ?. Edited January 22, 2019 by NoHuddleKelly12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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