Eagles officially choose Wentz over Foles

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

10 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Yeah, he's been around a long time and has proved himself an excellent backup, maybe the best in the league.

 

 

 

Not so funny. He said Foles had gotten the team to the Super Bowl and won it. I pointed out that he hadn't gotten them there by any means that year. And this year they didn't win it. So he didn't get them to and win a Super Bowl either year. Not so funny at all.

 

He "nearly" got them to the NFCC game, right? Does that mean he got them there? Or does it mean he didn't get them there.

 

Football's a team game. And it was a team effort that got them there, not just Foles. Same with Wentz, but as the replies here make clear, it's pretty obvious which of the two nearly everyone prefers.

 

But again, Foles had an advantage both years coming in late in the year when teams didn't have video on how he looked and what his tendencies were. That's a big advantage, which he did a great job of using. 

 

He's shown himself a terrific backup. I like the guy and hope he proves himself a franchise guy. But I doubt he will.

 

You are making some ticky tacky distinctions.  I can concede that Foles did not get them to the playoffs for their Superbowl run. But that is the easy part.  The hard part is making a run through the playoffs and winning the superbowl.  Thats what matters.  Thats what only a handful of guys in the league can do.  And thats what he can do.  As far as this year, he dragged them into the playoffs and then won a game (and came close against the Saints) that they had no business winning.  

 

You are not giving him nearly enough credit for what is a historic accomplishment. He is obviously the best back up in the league, but more than that he is, at the absolute least, an average to above average starter.  Wentz hasn't done a thing in comparison.  

[Shamrock]

20 hours ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

Lots of guys come into the league with all the talent in the world.  The difference is what happens between the ears.  Foles has proven he can do it.  I'm not sure Wentz has.  I think this is a way bigger risk than people are acknowledging.  

 

Plus, what are you really looking for when searching for a QB?  You are looking for a guy that can you to and win a SB.  Nick Foles has done that. 

From memory, would the comparison be the 1990 Giants, to which the 1991 season had an open QB competition between Hoss & Simms. 

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

2 minutes ago, Shamrock said:

From memory, would the comparison be the 1990 Giants, to which the 1991 season had an open QB competition between Hoss & Simms. 

 

That is a stellar comparison.  But even then, the quarterback wasn't nearly as important as it is now.  

[CLTbills]

19 hours ago, rodneykm said:

 

I agree. In their situation, Foles makes a whole lot of sense. The sheer amount of picks you'd get for Wentz would be amazing. It wouldn't be a popular move though in Philly I'd imagine. 

 

I don't know how you go back to Wentz, honestly, from an on-field standpoint... but adding in the points you guys made about the cap situation (which i wasn't really aware of) it makes even more sense.

[prissythecat]

35 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

You are making some ticky tacky distinctions.  I can concede that Foles did not get them to the playoffs for their Superbowl run. But that is the easy part.  The hard part is making a run through the playoffs and winning the superbowl.  Thats what matters.  Thats what only a handful of guys in the league can do.  And thats what he can do.  As far as this year, he dragged them into the playoffs and then won a game (and came close against the Saints) that they had no business winning.  

 

You are not giving him nearly enough credit for what is a historic accomplishment. He is obviously the best back up in the league, but more than that he is, at the absolute least, an average to above average starter.  Wentz hasn't done a thing in comparison.  

 

 

Playing very well to get a team home field advantage is the easy part?         Wentz hasn't done a thing?     Amazing....

[CuddyDark]

18 hours ago, matter2003 said:

 

Foles is similar to Flacco...average for long stretches and then seems to get "hot" when the stakes are the highest.  Foles is maddeningly inconsistent and looks downright bad too often.

I see Wentz as more a Flacco type. He's big and strong and locks in on one or two receivers. He doesn't make quick reads but he does get the ball out. He's a good player but he's drastically overrated as a player.

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

5 minutes ago, prissythecat said:

 

 

Playing very well to get a team home field advantage is the easy part?         Wentz hasn't done a thing?     Amazing....

 

I stand by my opinion that getting a team to the playoffs is not nearly as hard as winning every game in the playoffs and super bowl. And, frankly, I don't think that is such an outrageous opinion that it deserves to be mocked.  

[prissythecat]

2 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

I stand by my opinion that getting a team to the playoffs is not nearly as hard as winning every game in the playoffs and super bowl. And, frankly, I don't think that is such an outrageous opinion that it deserves to be mocked.  

 

If we go by that line of thinking than there will be many one hit wonder QBs that should be considered HOF inductees

[CuddyDark]

10 hours ago, pop gun said:

Wentz is the better QB no question.

Better in terms of overall talent and draft positioning but not a better passer of the football. A better thrower with a bigger arm yes, but Foles has better ball placement and throws a catchable ball. Wentz is living on the idea of his talent. He's a good player like Flacco and maybe as good as Matt Ryan but he's probably the most overrated QB in the entire league.

[prissythecat]

2 minutes ago, CuddyDark said:

Better in terms of overall talent and draft positioning but not a better passer of the football. A better thrower with a bigger arm yes, but Foles has better ball placement and throws a catchable ball. Wentz is living on the idea of his talent. He's a good player like Flacco and maybe as good as Matt Ryan but he's probably the most overrated QB in the entire league.

 

 

What exactly is a catchable ball?     

 

Also,  how is Vontae Davis doing keeping his signing bonus?

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

6 minutes ago, prissythecat said:

 

If we go by that line of thinking than there will be many one hit wonder QBs that should be considered HOF inductees

Whoa, where did all this HOF talk come from.  I'm just saying that a QB who wins the superbowl should be valued higher than a QB that had a good regular season. 

[prissythecat]

Just now, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

Whoa, where did all this HOF talk come from.  I'm just saying that a QB who wins the superbowl should be valued higher than a QB that had a good regular season. 

 

I  am pointing out the flaw in that line of thinking .   A team that has Home field advantage throughout the playoffs has to win all of 3 games, 2 under home field advantage ,  to get a superbowl.

 

 Contrary to the cliches that the announcers like to say on air (e.g., players hit harder,  rbs run faster, etc),  the game is still the same.  You are comparing 3 wins to an entire season's worth of work.     The Eagles brass is not dumb.  They  chose Wentz over Foles  for very good reasons.      In fact ,  I would say that the odds are very good  that Foles will be a flop with whatever team he signs with this coming season while Wentz gets back to his 2017 form.

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

1 minute ago, prissythecat said:

 

I  am pointing out the flaw in that line of thinking .   A team that has Home field advantage throughout the playoffs has to win all of 3 games, 2 under home field advantage ,  to get a superbowl.

 

 Contrary to the cliches that the announcers like to say on air (e.g., players hit harder,  rbs run faster, etc),  the game is still the same.  You are comparing 3 wins to an entire season's worth of work.     The Eagles brass is not dumb.  They  chose Wentz over Foles  for very good reasons.      In fact ,  I would say that the odds are very good  that Foles will be a flop with whatever team he signs with this coming season while Wentz gets back to his 2017 form.

 

Yeah, but your point didn't make any sense... 

 

The competition is significantly more difficult.  The game plan is more detailed.  The preparation is extensive.  You are getting your best play from the best players in the league.  You are not playing games against terrible Cowboys, Giants, and Redskins teams.  

 

Take the Chiefs for example, or even the Bengals, classic regular season champions.  How do they do in the playoffs?  

[dollars 2 donuts]

21 hours ago, CuddyDark said:

It's a bad move. Foles sees the field better. Has a quicker release and throws a catchable ball. Wentz has a better are and more talent but he's not a better player IMO.

 

 

I hope not. I could see some Bills franchise ending crap end up like Brady wins SB #6 and retires and Belichick signs Foles who plays the same style as Brady, though not as good but goes on to win the division for 10 more years.

 

 

Jeepers, Cuddy, you just put the idea in my head of the Pats getting Foles, and Brady not wanting to retire heading to Miami.

[Mr. WEO]

12 hours ago, LSHMEAB said:

I have some connections to the Philly area so I watch quite a bit of the Eagles for some odd reason. He was not healthy in 2018 IMO. Didn't have the same velocity on his ball or mobility. I believe he'll be fully recovered next season, but time will tell.

 

Fully recovered form the 2017 injury or the 2018 injury....?

[GunnerBill]

37 minutes ago, CuddyDark said:

Better in terms of overall talent and draft positioning but not a better passer of the football. A better thrower with a bigger arm yes, but Foles has better ball placement and throws a catchable ball. Wentz is living on the idea of his talent. He's a good player like Flacco and maybe as good as Matt Ryan but he's probably the most overrated QB in the entire league.

 

What about when Foles is asked to play in a conventional drop back offense without the RPO? To then he looks confused, holds the ball too long and his accuracy gets spotty. I think he has played pretty average in the two playoff games this year, though he had a couple of really good games at the end of the regular season. To me if you commit to Foles you have to commit to the RPO not just being a part of your offense but being the basis of your offense. That was the way he had his very good season under Chip and that is how he has performed best for Pederson too. I think the RPO is here to stay but I don't think it on its own is a basis for a whole offensive scheme. To me Wentz gives you much more flexibility offensively in terms of what you run going forward. I just think he is a more talented Quarterback. Foles is a system guy.

[Mr. WEO]

11 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Yeah, he's been around a long time and has proved himself an excellent backup, maybe the best in the league.

 

 

 

Not so funny. He said Foles had gotten the team to the Super Bowl and won it. I pointed out that he hadn't gotten them there by any means that year. And this year they didn't win it. So he didn't get them to and win a Super Bowl either year. Not so funny at all.

 

He "nearly" got them to the NFCC game, right? Does that mean he got them there? Or does it mean he didn't get them there.

 

Football's a team game. And it was a team effort that got them there, not just Foles. Same with Wentz, but as the replies here make clear, it's pretty obvious which of the two nearly everyone prefers.

 

But again, Foles had an advantage both years coming in late in the year when teams didn't have video on how he looked and what his tendencies were. That's a big advantage, which he did a great job of using. 

 

He's shown himself a terrific backup. I like the guy and hope he proves himself a franchise guy. But I doubt he will.

 

 

Come on!   The Eagles were the next in  a long list of teams that play in the SB and then don't make the playoffs until Foles stepped in.

 

Yes, it's a team game and....Foles couldn't do it alone.  But he did turn around a TEAM that was not going to the playoffs at that point.

 

And what team does NOT have "film on Foles" by now??  That's ridiculous.  The guys been around for years and had 11 games over the past 2 seasons with the Eagles.

[eball]

Was there a rose ceremony?

[dave mcbride]

48 minutes ago, CuddyDark said:

Better in terms of overall talent and draft positioning but not a better passer of the football. A better thrower with a bigger arm yes, but Foles has better ball placement and throws a catchable ball. Wentz is living on the idea of his talent. He's a good player like Flacco and maybe as good as Matt Ryan but he's probably the most overrated QB in the entire league.

? - He was banged up this year and struggled (although his stats were good), but last year Wentz would have been MVP if not for the injury. It's way too early to be passing these judgments. 

[CuddyDark]

51 minutes ago, prissythecat said:

 

 

What exactly is a catchable ball?     

 

Also,  how is Vontae Davis doing keeping his signing bonus?

When they have a problem with the person and not what's said it shows insecurity on their behalf.

[Midwest1981]

21 hours ago, prissythecat said:

 

If you throw out his rookie season.  Wentz has an average QB rating over 100 for the past two seasons.   Those are elite stats.

 

Foles had one excellent season in 2013.   Rest of the time he has been pretty pedestrian.   In these past playoffs , despite some folks thinking that Foles had a magical run,   his QB rating was 77 and 61 respectively.   He didn't play  well at all with the exception of that 1st quarter at NO.     So not sure how Foles is the better player and the better long term choice?

If you throw our Foles' statistically exceptional 2013 season, it's only fair to also throw out his 2015 season in St. Louis under Jeff Fisher, whose teams were infamously offensively wastelands for his last few years.  They were just embarrassingly and unimaginably bad, no matter what the personnel (Todd Gurley averaged 3.2 YPC in 2016, pre-McVay).

 

You alluded to Foles' performance in the Playoffs this year.  I absolutely agree that he played a poor game in New Orleans- after a great 1st-quarter.  But the reason his QB Rating was only 61 was because that second interception, a drop throw Jeffery's hands, dropped it 20 points.  But no, I won't simply look at that game through the prism of the box score- he didn't play well.

 

However, he week before against the Bears in Chicago, the league-leading defense in turnovers this year, probably the league's best defense, and a defense with an all-time top-5 DVOA score, 25-40 for 266  yards and 2 TD's & 2 INT's, considering how other QB's performed there this year (Jared Goff, Kirk Cousins, Matthew Stafford, etc.) against that defense... that wasn't a "bad" performance.  And he came up big in critical moments, including throwing the game-winning TD pass on 4th-down.

 

You also can't dismiss or discount how brilliantly Foles played in last year's Playoffs, at least against the Vikings in the NFC Championship Game (Minnesota's defense was arguably the league's best in 2017) & the Patriots in the Super Bowl.  His great play is encapsulated in the stats (26-33, 352 yards, 3 TD's/0 INT's & 28-43, 373, 3 TD's/1 INT, respectively) but also consider that New England only punted once all game and could scarcely be stopped- the Patriots' first 3 possessions in the second half all resulted in TD's.  So Foles had to match Brady drive for drive, play for play.  And he managed to.

 

All that said... Wentz IS the better player and should be the Eagles' starting QB in 2019 and beyond.   But Foles has still shown enough that he deserves a chance to start and IMO can be a solid, middle-tier starter, in the area of Cousins/Stafford/Dalton (anywhere from 12th-18th-best overall).  

 

His stats through his 5 regular season starts this year suggest he could be an effective starter (72.3% completion percentage, 7.1 YPA, 1,413 yards, 7 TD's/4 INT's, & 96.0 QB Rating).  But his Playoff/late-season pedigree the last two seasons implies he could lead a team on a Playoff run since he does seem to perform well in monumental moments.  Setting last year's Super Bowl run & MVP aside, the Eagles were left for dead this year at 6-7 and then Foles helps to beat the Rams on the road in week 15, throws for 471 yards & 4 TD's at home over the AFC South-winning Texans in week 16, and then gets them in the postseason the following week and makes some big throws against the vaunted Bears in the WC Round.

 

Foles isn't great but let's not pretend he's awful.  Or that there are easily more 15 QB's in the NFL better than him.

 

 

Edited January 16, 2019 by Midwest1981

[CuddyDark]

17 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

What about when Foles is asked to play in a conventional drop back offense without the RPO? To then he looks confused, holds the ball too long and his accuracy gets spotty. I think he has played pretty average in the two playoff games this year, though he had a couple of really good games at the end of the regular season. To me if you commit to Foles you have to commit to the RPO not just being a part of your offense but being the basis of your offense. That was the way he had his very good season under Chip and that is how he has performed best for Pederson too. I think the RPO is here to stay but I don't think it on its own is a basis for a whole offensive scheme. To me Wentz gives you much more flexibility offensively in terms of what you run going forward. I just think he is a more talented Quarterback. Foles is a system guy.

Why would you do that to him? Are you a bad coach? Teams that force players to fit a system are badly coached.

[CuddyDark]

13 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

? - He was banged up this year and struggled (although his stats were good), but last year Wentz would have been MVP if not for the injury. It's way too early to be passing these judgments. 

The offense he plays in is designed for the QB to do well. Look at Mahomes, Luck and Trubisky. Wentz is a good player. I think in this offense Foles is better.

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, CuddyDark said:

I see Wentz as more a Flacco type. He's big and strong and locks in on one or two receivers. He doesn't make quick reads but he does get the ball out. He's a good player but he's drastically overrated as a player.

 

Uhh...not even close...Wentz already has two seasons where he has a QB rating 10+ points higher than Flacco's highest season, has a season where his Yards/Attempt is higher than any of Flacco's already and has almost a 1% higher TD percentage and a 0.6% lower INT percentage...he also is much more athletic than Flacco...He also would have been named NFL MVP if he hadn't gotten injured two years ago, something Flacco has never even sniffed.

 

But yeah, other than that they are the same player...

[Big Gun]

1 hour ago, CuddyDark said:

Better in terms of overall talent and draft positioning but not a better passer of the football. A better thrower with a bigger arm yes, but Foles has better ball placement and throws a catchable ball. Wentz is living on the idea of his talent. He's a good player like Flacco and maybe as good as Matt Ryan but he's probably the most overrated QB in the entire league.

IMO, you couldn't be more wrong.

[GunnerBill]

13 minutes ago, CuddyDark said:

Why would you do that to him? Are you a bad coach? Teams that force players to fit a system are badly coached.

 

That wasn't what I meant. That is what the Saints did on Sunday. They got ahead shut the run game down completely, went man for man with their best DB on Jeffrey and then played zone around it and asked Foles to read the defense and make accurate throws from the pocket and he couldn't do it. No the INT on the final drive wasn't on Foles but the Saints were playing not to give up the TD on that drive and were letting Foles have some of the underneath throws. What about the other drives in the 2nd half? 

 

I like the RPO I think much more than many of the other offensive fads that have come from college in the last decade the RPO is here to stay. But I am not convinced you can build an effective offense that is heavily RPO reliant. To me it should be a tool in the toolbox. I think Foles without it is a below average QB and that limits his ceiling somewhat for me. 

 

 

[Big Gun]

Who would defensive coordinators rather game plan for, Foles or Wentz? 

 

I think the answer is Foles and that should tell you who the better QB is.

[prissythecat]

1 hour ago, Midwest1981 said:

If you throw our Foles' statistically exceptional 2013 season, it's only fair to also throw out his 2015 season in St. Louis under Jeff Fisher, whose teams were infamously offensively wastelands for his last few years.  They were just embarrassingly and unimaginably bad, no matter what the personnel (Todd Gurley averaged 3.2 YPC in 2016, pre-McVay).

 

You alluded to Foles' performance in the Playoffs this year.  I absolutely agree that he played a poor game in New Orleans- after a great 1st-quarter.  But the reason his QB Rating was only 61 was because that second interception, a drop throw Jeffery's hands, dropped it 20 points.  But no, I won't simply look at that game through the prism of the box score- he didn't play well.

 

However, he week before against the Bears in Chicago, the league-leading defense in turnovers this year, probably the league's best defense, and a defense with an all-time top-5 DVOA score, 25-40 for 266  yards and 2 TD's & 2 INT's, considering how other QB's performed there this year (Jared Goff, Kirk Cousins, Matthew Stafford, etc.) against that defense... that wasn't a "bad" performance.  And he came up big in critical moments, including throwing the game-winning TD pass on 4th-down.

 

You also can't dismiss or discount how brilliantly Foles played in last year's Playoffs, at least against the Vikings in the NFC Championship Game (Minnesota's defense was arguably the league's best in 2017) & the Patriots in the Super Bowl.  His great play is encapsulated in the stats (26-33, 352 yards, 3 TD's/0 INT's & 28-43, 373, 3 TD's/1 INT, respectively) but also consider that New England only punted once all game and could scarcely be stopped- the Patriots' first 3 possessions in the second half all resulted in TD's.  So Foles had to match Brady drive for drive, play for play.  And he managed to.

 

All that said... Wentz IS the better player and should be the Eagles' starting QB in 2019 and beyond.   But Foles has still shown enough that he deserves a chance to start and IMO can be a solid, middle-tier starter, in the area of Cousins/Stafford/Dalton (anywhere from 12th-18th-best overall).  

 

His stats through his 5 regular season starts this year suggest he could be an effective starter (72.3% completion percentage, 7.1 YPA, 1,413 yards, 7 TD's/4 INT's, & 96.0 QB Rating).  But his Playoff/late-season pedigree the last two seasons implies he could lead a team on a Playoff run since he does seem to perform well in monumental moments.  Setting last year's Super Bowl run & MVP aside, the Eagles were left for dead this year at 6-7 and then Foles helps to beat the Rams on the road in week 15, throws for 471 yards & 4 TD's at home over the AFC South-winning Texans in week 16, and then gets them in the postseason the following week and makes some big throws against the vaunted Bears in the WC Round.

 

Foles isn't great but let's not pretend he's awful.  Or that there are easily more 15 QB's in the NFL better than him.

 

 

 

I agree with most of your analysis.    You can't take away the fact that Foles has had some good games with the Eagles.   But also ,  Foles has been around long enough to show  stretches of mediocrity which should immediately give pause to anyone clamoring to sign him for big bucks.     Foles isn't awful by any stretch of the imagination  but he also is not going to be the savior of a team like some are making him out to be.      Your comparison to mid tier starter like Cousins / Dalton / Stafford is a really good one. 

 

1 hour ago, CuddyDark said:

When they have a problem with the person and not what's said it shows insecurity on their behalf.

 

Nah.  I just have  a problem with awful takes.     The Vontae Davis comment was meant to show how you have a tendency to pull stuff out form where the sun don't shine.

[JÂy RÛßeÒ]

Eliot Shorr Parks/Bleacher Report is "official"?

[CuddyDark]

2 hours ago, matter2003 said:

 

Uhh...not even close...Wentz already has two seasons where he has a QB rating 10+ points higher than Flacco's highest season, has a season where his Yards/Attempt is higher than any of Flacco's already and has almost a 1% higher TD percentage and a 0.6% lower INT percentage...he also is much more athletic than Flacco...He also would have been named NFL MVP if he hadn't gotten injured two years ago, something Flacco has never even sniffed.

 

But yeah, other than that they are the same player...

Again the offense he plays is tailored to the QB having increased stats. And the rest is IFs.

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

That wasn't what I meant. That is what the Saints did on Sunday. They got ahead shut the run game down completely, went man for man with their best DB on Jeffrey and then played zone around it and asked Foles to read the defense and make accurate throws from the pocket and he couldn't do it. No the INT on the final drive wasn't on Foles but the Saints were playing not to give up the TD on that drive and were letting Foles have some of the underneath throws. What about the other drives in the 2nd half? 

 

I like the RPO I think much more than many of the other offensive fads that have come from college in the last decade the RPO is here to stay. But I am not convinced you can build an effective offense that is heavily RPO reliant. To me it should be a tool in the toolbox. I think Foles without it is a below average QB and that limits his ceiling somewhat for me. 

 

 

Fair enough.

1 hour ago, prissythecat said:

Nah.  I just have  a problem with awful takes.     The Vontae Davis comment was meant to show how you have a tendency to pull stuff out form where the sun don't shine.

Nah. It was meant to distract from an argument you can't make. It's typical. Also, where was I wrong on Davis? I'm asking. Is/was there some outcome aside from what I argued?

[formerlyofCtown]

On 1/15/2019 at 12:31 PM, CuddyDark said:

It's a bad move. Foles sees the field better. Has a quicker release and throws a catchable ball. Wentz has a better are and more talent but he's not a better player IMO.

 

 

I hope not. I could see some Bills franchise ending crap end up like Brady wins SB #6 and retires and Belichick signs Foles who plays the same style as Brady, though not as good but goes on to win the division for 10 more years.

Yup Im petrified of NickFoles.

3 hours ago, prissythecat said:

 

 

What exactly is a catchable ball?     

 

Also,  how is Vontae Davis doing keeping his signing bonus?

He read an article.

[prissythecat]

13 minutes ago, CuddyDark said:

Again the offense he plays is tailored to the QB having increased stats. And the rest is IFs.

Fair enough.

Nah. It was meant to distract from an argument you can't make. It's typical. Also, where was I wrong on Davis? I'm asking. Is/was there some outcome aside from what I argued?

 

Did I miss something about Davis unretiring so that the Bills could not clawback his bonus?   That was your argument  back in Septembe wasn't it?  I 'm still waiting lol.

 

But anyway,  back to the original argument that you try to make about Foles being the better player.  There is no objective evidence for that You just keep bringing up vague arguments about "catchable balls"  or even the absurd comparison of Wentz to Flacco .   If his ball were more catchable ,  wouldn't that show up in the QB ratings somehow?   

[Freddie's Dead]

Foles is a good QB.  He should get at least 10-15M/yr on the open market.

[CuddyDark]

1 hour ago, formerlyofCtown said:

Yup Im petrified of NickFoles.

He read an article.

No I watch the games.

1 hour ago, prissythecat said:

 

Did I miss something about Davis unretiring so that the Bills could not clawback his bonus?   That was your argument  back in Septembe wasn't it?  I 'm still waiting lol.

 

But anyway,  back to the original argument that you try to make about Foles being the better player.  There is no objective evidence for that You just keep bringing up vague arguments about "catchable balls"  or even the absurd comparison of Wentz to Flacco .   If his ball were more catchable ,  wouldn't that show up in the QB ratings somehow?   

I believe I said he could say he's injured not unretire.

[Bing Bong]

On 1/15/2019 at 12:10 PM, FeelingOnYouboty said:

I mean duh?!?

This is a nonstory. On account of it being known by this time last year. If BDN doesn't win the job after a SB run, then there's literally nothing he could have done to take the job from Wentz short of having another.

[LSHMEAB]

7 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Fully recovered form the 2017 injury or the 2018 injury....?

Nice. I think the 2018 injury occurred because he was overcompensating for the ACL injury. We'll see what happens next year. I fully expect an MVPish season from Wentz.

[formerlyofCtown]

2 hours ago, CuddyDark said:

No I watch the games.

I believe I said he could say he's injured not unretire.

Seem to be saying some things word for word I read in an artcle recently.  Just a coincidence I guess.

[Punching Bag]

On 1/15/2019 at 11:06 PM, papazoid said:

 

if foles opts out.... philly could use franchise tag....just sayin

 

20 mil for a starter QB and 8 mil for a backup QB isn't crazy (who cares its flipped) ..….wouldn't even put them in the top 5 for % of salary cap

 

i'd keep foles for 1 more year....or trade him for value......just not letting him walk

 

If he opts out he is a Free Agent and they cannot tag him.

[papazoid]

14 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

If he opts out he is a Free Agent and they cannot tag him.

 

The Eagles could still place a franchise or transition tag on Foles before the 15-day designation period ended on March 5 provided he buys out the option years

 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/agents-take-making-sense-of-nick-foles-contract-with-eagles-and-what-happens-next/

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1 hour ago, papazoid said:

 

The Eagles could still place a franchise or transition tag on Foles before the 15-day designation period ended on March 5 provided he buys out the option years

 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/agents-take-making-sense-of-nick-foles-contract-with-eagles-and-what-happens-next/

They should. For two reasons. 1. Wentz is cheap. 2. Trade market could get them at least a 2nd or it's equivalence.