GoBills808 Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 7 hours ago, row_33 said: i doubt the writers remember either.... i'll just try to enjoy the finish without picking holes in the plot bigger than the Grand Canyon Imo it's been on the downswing ever since they got cold feet and resurrected Harrington. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JÂy RÛßeÒ Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 4 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: because the sniveling coward Joffrey took credit for the victory I think it was more Tywin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 6 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: "I have to die in this strange country, just like you - Melisandre RIP Volantis ...... where dragons come from???????? Not quite the Cliffs of Moher, but close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, row_33 said: Tyrion is one of the best TV characters the late 25 years he has to carry so many of them in every single scene He's also the best of the characters in the books, too. 3 hours ago, GoBills808 said: Imo it's been on the downswing ever since they got cold feet and resurrected Harrington. For me it's been since the Red Wedding, but mainly because there's just no way to top that in terms of sheer visceral unpredictable tragedy. Edited May 9, 2019 by transplantbillsfan 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 10 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: He's also the best of the characters in the books, too. For me it's been since the Red Wedding, but mainly because there's just no way to top that in terms of sheer visceral unpredictable tragedy. The Mountain exploding that guys head was pretty unexpected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted May 9, 2019 Author Share Posted May 9, 2019 (edited) The Red Wedding was a shocker moreso because of Rob's pregnant wife. --- Rob Stark's wife never attended the Red Wedding and Caitlin Stark became Lady Stoneheart in the books. Blowing up the Great Sept of Baelor with Margaery Tyrell inside was almost as bad. I didn't like the twist the show put on there. way different than the book. Edited May 9, 2019 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 The books havent gotten that far. Margaery is still imprisoned far as i recall (loras on burnt on dragonstone) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted May 9, 2019 Author Share Posted May 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, May Day 10 said: The books havent gotten that far. Margaery is still imprisoned far as i recall (loras on burnt on dragonstone) Margaery was released from prison and placed under house arrest, where she awaits trial. I thought it was before Cersei was released. Cersei's plan backfired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 yeah, maybe she was out, but still on the hook for the trial, and in theory, we could still be on a path to the Sept of Baelor getting burnt. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, thenorthremembers said: The Mountain exploding that guys head was pretty unexpected. That was Oz-like in sudden shock, then again Oz did this almost every episode... Edited May 9, 2019 by row_33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted May 9, 2019 Author Share Posted May 9, 2019 1 hour ago, May Day 10 said: yeah, maybe she was out, but still on the hook for the trial, and in theory, we could still be on a path to the Sept of Baelor getting burnt. Oh most certainly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 One of the great things about the Red Wedding, especially in the books, is that it was kind of laid out there for us to figure out, and not a lot of people/anybody did. They laid out nuggets building up, right up to the strange/loud/crappy music gallery. Even after what happened to Ned Stark it came as a huge shock. In a matter of pages, he essentially snuffed out what we thought was the main revenge plot. Then you put it all together with Tywin's letters/certainty that Sansa would be the lord, the makeup of the Westerling family, the mistreatment of the Karstarks, etc... It was genius. That kind of thing sets an unfair bar though, and after that, everyone is just waiting for the writer(s) to knock your socks off and analyzing every little thing trying to guess the next 'twist'. This is what has poisoned the opinions of M Night Shyamalan's movies since the Sixth Sense. Everyone is expecting a major twist at the end and disappointed every time because they are let down (personally, I still like most of his movies) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 5 hours ago, thenorthremembers said: The Mountain exploding that guys head was pretty unexpected. Minor character. The death was gruesome, but who cared about that guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 14 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Minor character. The death was gruesome, but who cared about that guy? he had a few great lines in Tyrion's trial Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 Are the books an easy read or is it like reading Lord Jim or Moby Dick where you can't figure out what is going on because the grammar is not easy to read? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 12 minutes ago, PIZ said: Are the books an easy read or is it like reading Lord Jim or Moby Dick where you can't figure out what is going on because the grammar is not easy to read? i doubt it's going to be within a million miles of Moby Dick or War and Peace 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted May 9, 2019 Author Share Posted May 9, 2019 (edited) an image from the preview to 8-5 Danys (partial) Army - whats left of it and one I've not seen (or recall seeing) or its a meaningless photoshop Edited May 9, 2019 by ShadyBillsFan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted May 9, 2019 Author Share Posted May 9, 2019 (edited) 27 minutes ago, PIZ said: Are the books an easy read or is it like reading Lord Jim or Moby Dick where you can't figure out what is going on because the grammar is not easy to read? The books are an easy read up to a point. He went a bit odd / goofy in one book only centering on A scenario then halfway through brought the whole world back together. then playing catchup with the story lines. I've read the books 3 times through and the only parts I find boring in when Dany sits in Meereen awaiting her move to Westeros. sure there is some excitement but a few chapters I scan and turn pages. The b itch is waiting for the last 2 books - the last book ends when Jon gets stabbed / killed in Castle Black and Dany and Cersei are awaiting trial Edited May 9, 2019 by ShadyBillsFan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 (edited) Yeah. Meereen in in the last book is the worst part, with all the political machinations and people slowly travelling there. There were/are various plots i really wanted to see, but it seemed that 95% of the 2nd half of the last book was centered on meereen... and also castle black which was kind of at an impasse through much of the book. Other than that, all 5 books are dynamite imo. The books arent a difficult read at all. Grrm has a way of writing that takes a little adjustment (f.e. tyrion liked the contents of the letter not at all). But its a fairly easy road. Especially with familiarity with the general physics, map, politics, major characters, etc. The worst part, i would say is the in depth description of everything in every meal, as well as detailed descriptions of what people are wearing.... that paints a great picture though and sets tones. Edited May 9, 2019 by May Day 10 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 25 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: The books are an easy read up to a point. He went a bit odd / goofy in one book only centering on A scenario then halfway through brought the whole world back together. then playing catchup with the story lines. I've read the books 3 times through and the only parts I find boring in when Dany sits in Meereen awaiting he move to Westeros. sure there is some excitement but a few chapters I scan and turn pages. The b itch is waiting for the last 2 books - the last book ends when Jon gets stabbed / killed in Castle Black and Dany and Cersei are awaiting trial it's hard when a jest turns into a money-making machine by the third edition everyone gripes about how little $$$ they are pocketing and everyone hates each other 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted May 9, 2019 Author Share Posted May 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, row_33 said: it's hard when a jest turns into a money-making machine by the third edition everyone gripes about how little $$$ they are pocketing and everyone hates each other That is usually true, but from what I've seen and or read is how much this cast lives and loves together. If there was true angst I have not seen it or maybe its because I try to ignore gossip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 22 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: an image from the preview to 8-5 Danys (partial) Army - whats left of it and one I've not seen (or recall seeing) or its a meaningless photoshop Reveal hidden contents What's with King's Landing just completely changing? Or this view: Real head scratcher there... The even moved the city on the map: https://www.joe.ie/movies-tv/definitive-proof-geography-kings-landing-changed-game-thrones-668191 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 As I am getting a bit older, I have been thinking about getting a good book series to read. The last books I read were Jack London's Call of the Wild and White Fang, and SE Hinton's Rumble Fish and The Outsiders. I have a Lord of The Rings book that has never been opened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted May 9, 2019 Author Share Posted May 9, 2019 4 minutes ago, Heitz said: What's with King's Landing just completely changing? Or this view: Real head scratcher there... The even moved the city on the map: https://www.joe.ie/movies-tv/definitive-proof-geography-kings-landing-changed-game-thrones-668191 LOL on the other side of the "continent" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted May 9, 2019 Author Share Posted May 9, 2019 4 minutes ago, PIZ said: As I am getting a bit older, I have been thinking about getting a good book series to read. The last books I read were Jack London's Call of the Wild and White Fang, and SE Hinton's Rumble Fish and The Outsiders. I have a Lord of The Rings book that has never been opened. If you read the D&D stuff with Elves and Fairies and Dwarves the names of characters are much easier in GoT. If you are into D&D Forgotten Realms Margaret Weis / Hickman R A Salvatore - there is one series I've read for a decade and I still can't figure out how to pronounce some names. Tom Clancy Jack Ryan series Clive Cussler Numa Series W.E.B. Griffin THE PRESIDENTIAL AGENT Series (thought I was disappointed int he last book I read) Dale Brown Flight of the Old Dog and on - must be a dozen and a half on McLanahan Dan Brown DiVinci Code The public Library is your friend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 Well, trying to figure out the moving King's Landing can lead one down a reeeeeeal rabbit hole. Not sure what was said on that last conference call, but I AM more convinced than ever King's Landing has changed several times... ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 38 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: If you read the D&D stuff with Elves and Fairies and Dwarves the names of characters are much easier in GoT. If you are into D&D Forgotten Realms Margaret Weis / Hickman R A Salvatore - there is one series I've read for a decade and I still can't figure out how to pronounce some names. Tom Clancy Jack Ryan series Clive Cussler Numa Series W.E.B. Griffin THE PRESIDENTIAL AGENT Series (thought I was disappointed int he last book I read) Dale Brown Flight of the Old Dog and on - must be a dozen and a half on McLanahan Dan Brown DiVinci Code The public Library is your friend Drizz't? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 1 hour ago, row_33 said: he had a few great lines in Tyrion's trial True, but nothing tops killing off Cat and Robb Stark, King of the North... along with his pregnant wife in such a gruesome manner. I don't know if any death even coming up can top that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 13 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: True, but nothing tops killing off Cat and Robb Stark, King of the North... along with his pregnant wife in such a gruesome manner. I don't know if any death even coming up can top that. we can always hope (i guess....) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 4 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: True, but nothing tops killing off Cat and Robb Stark, King of the North... along with his pregnant wife in such a gruesome manner. I don't know if any death even coming up can top that. Definitely not, since any and all deaths are expected at this point. I just want Cersei to die a horrible, miserable, lonely death. If she commits suicide or something, I'll be incredibly disappointed. ? How about the William Wallace treatment? She's torn apart limb from limb and each piece is sent to a different part of Westeros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 1 hour ago, PIZ said: Are the books an easy read or is it like reading Lord Jim or Moby Dick where you can't figure out what is going on because the grammar is not easy to read? The books are written as you might expect, where each chapter (sometimes very long chapter) is dedicated to a particular character. In fact, from what I recall each chapter is actually titled the character who it'll dive into. Any time the story centered around Winterfell, Castle Black, beyond the Wall with the Wildlings, or King's Landing, I loved it. I found it pretty easy reading because of how invested I was in the characters. I really didn't like Dany's storyline in the book and I didn't like her. I've felt the same in the show, too. It's why I hope she dies. But so in the books when it would go to her storyline, I would lose some interest. Part of the reason is because for the first half of the series, she's not in Westeros, so she's largely disconnected from the rest of the storyline and characters. I read the first 3 books in their entirety, bought the 4th book, got maybe halfway through, and stopped. In the 4th book they just started bringing in these new characters when they went to Dorne (I think) and I was already so invested in the others that I was kinda irritated Martin brought in these other distractions from Jon Snow and Tyrion. I also think the 4th book lost some steam much like the series for me because the 3rd book was the Red Wedding, which was also epic and unpredictable in the books. Tyrion's even better in the books. I didn't read far enough to actually get to it, but I know the show left out a really important twist involving Cat Stark... and I wonder why it chose to do that. But honestly, I'll never read the rest of the books and I actually question whether Martin even writes the 7th. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 (edited) I really liked the 4th book and consider it on-par with the first 3. The 5th book has some great chapters, especially in the first half (a few even made me exclaim "yeah!")... but as I said, they bogged it down with the Meereen/Slavers Bay logjam, introduced a few new and worthless characters connected to that logjam that wasted time, lots more travel and too much world-building in Essos, which I really didnt care about.... and also spent too much time with Jon/Castle Black... which for the most part was a stalemate (until the last Jon POV of the book). The 5th book IS worth it for the "Reek" POV chapters. The best chapter IMO was a Davos one (one that made me exclaim)... it was about halfway through the book, then nothing really great (until the last Jon POV as well as the epilogue). With that said, Im super-duper looking forward to Winds of Winter. Meereen is almost through, and its going to cut into the nitty gritty. Edited May 9, 2019 by May Day 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 52 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: Definitely not, since any and all deaths are expected at this point. I just want Cersei to die a horrible, miserable, lonely death. If she commits suicide or something, I'll be incredibly disappointed. ? How about the William Wallace treatment? She's torn apart limb from limb and each piece is sent to a different part of Westeros. She just has to die a slow and painful death at this point. It'd be such a letdown if she didn't. 30 minutes ago, May Day 10 said: I really liked the 4th book and consider it on-par with the first 3. The 5th book has some great chapters, especially in the first half (a few even made me exclaim "yeah!")... but as I said, they bogged it down with the Meereen/Slavers Bay logjam, introduced a few new and worthless characters connected to that logjam that wasted time, lots more travel and too much world-building in Essos, which I really didnt care about.... and also spent too much time with Jon/Castle Black... which for the most part was a stalemate (until the last Jon POV of the book). The 5th book IS worth it for the "Reek" POV chapters. The best chapter IMO was a Davos one (one that made me exclaim)... it was about halfway through the book, then nothing really great (until the last Jon POV as well as the epilogue). With that said, Im super-duper looking forward to Winds of Winter. Meereen is almost through, and its going to cut into the nitty gritty. Are you reading the prequel Martin wrote that came out a few months ago? The one that takes place hundreds of years before GoT and I think centers on the Targaryens? I'm curious about how that book is and whether Martin is making that into a series, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 6 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: She just has to die a slow and painful death at this point. It'd be such a letdown if she didn't. Are you reading the prequel Martin wrote that came out a few months ago? The one that takes place hundreds of years before GoT and I think centers on the Targaryens? I'm curious about how that book is and whether Martin is making that into a series, too. I have not read that yet. I am currently reading A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms (another prequel tale). Its formatted a bit differently, but I like it. Lots of illustrations, and quick tales which is nice after the long-game of the Song of Ice and Fire series. After that, I plan on reading Fire and Blood. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 5 minutes ago, May Day 10 said: I have not read that yet. I am currently reading A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms (another prequel tale). Its formatted a bit differently, but I like it. Lots of illustrations, and quick tales which is nice after the long-game of the Song of Ice and Fire series. After that, I plan on reading Fire and Blood. I honestly wasn't even aware of A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms. I might have to check that one out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted May 9, 2019 Author Share Posted May 9, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, LBSeeBallLBGetBall said: Drizz't? yes, and all the other other people born in Menzoberranzan. I just think Dritz, kinda like Favre especially buzzed . I'd get to their name ans skip past it. Spent too much time trying to figure out the proper pronunciation. I'm stalling on the latest book waiting for the price to drop. Both my sons would read these. I read one when I was out on a work trip and got hooked. Edited May 9, 2019 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockpile233 Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 I’ve wanted to get through the books again. Read them through during season two of the show so it’s been a few years. A Storm of Swords is probably my favorite. I started liking them less as Martin kept expanding the universe and adding characters. I think that is part of the reason he couldn’t get the story home, was going off on too many tangents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 3 hours ago, Heitz said: What's with King's Landing just completely changing? i'd be willing to suspend enough disbelief to think that since Winter had started the vegetation had died out as the weather changed But they changed the architecture too That's just sloppy show running 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 Anyone else wonder how the opening credits graphics are so influenced by the graphics of Myst and Riven? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 33 minutes ago, /dev/null said: i'd be willing to suspend enough disbelief to think that since Winter had started the vegetation had died out as the weather changed But they changed the architecture too That's just sloppy show running I feel like there has to be SOME reason it's like this (you know, beyond "hey, series is almost over!"). Still, there are images that show behind the "good guys" and there are no hills behind them... Just bugs me. That and the fact Cersei could have killed all of her enemies right then and there, but didn't for some reason?? Made no sense at all... Guess we'll know more / have more to B word about in just a few days!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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