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I really don't follow Detroit football that much but it seems every four years when they play the Bills the two teams are on the same boat.  This year the Lions have won 5 games while the Bills 4 so pretty even.  I remember in 2010 the Bills got their first win of the year against the Lions but they really struggled that year as well.  In 2014 I remember Dan Carpenter drilling a 58 yarder to win the game and both teams seemed pretty evenly matched.  The Bills are 5-4-1 against the Lions all time so its pretty even.  Other items:

 

-Both rust belt cities

-Both seem to be on the bad end of calls by the refs

-The Lions had a playoff drought as well starting in 1999 I believe but it only took them 12 years to break it

-The times the Lions made the playoffs it must not have been memorable to non-fans.  Sort of like the Bills/Jaguars game last year.

 

Anyway at least IMO the teams are very similar.  I'd root for Detroit it they ever advanced in the NFC.  I mean they were hospitable in 2014 to have the Bills play there after the 7 feet of snow

 

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I actually had a daydream nightmare yesterday Lions related.

 

Josh Allen was our QB years from now...but he had the same career path as Matthew Stafford.  Moments of jaw dropping epicness and then periods of head bashing stupidity and inconsistency.

 

The Radio Shows, Message Boards were just blood baths with fan on fan violence over the validity of Allen.

 

all this happened in my mind as I drove from South Towns to Buffalo.  😂 

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Yes.  One of my best buddies is a Lions fan, we’ve been watching games together for years.  They are the same franchise.  The “highlight” was the Joey Harrington/Rob Johnson Era.

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2 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Yes.  One of my best buddies is a Lions fan, we’ve been watching games together for years.  They are the same franchise.  The “highlight” was the Joey Harrington/Rob Johnson Era.

It seems like it.  Does their fan bases passion equal Buffalo though overall?

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1 minute ago, Another Fan said:

It seems like it.  Does their fan bases passion equal Buffalo though overall?

 

Theyd have to, in order to support a team that bad for that many years.

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Without digging into the research as a franchise however, have they ever had a real, sustained playoff run over the course of 5+ years like we did (we at least have 2 solid franchise eras to refer back to)? Even when they had Sanders, he was often a one man show IIRC, and the team still went nowhere. 

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Ralph Wilson was once a part-owner of the Lions.

 

 

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Nah i'd say the Lions are closer to the Browns than the Bills. The Redskins are a lot like the Bills in my eyes. JMO.

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Not really in my eyes. The Lions have had some success this century and made the playoffs a couple of times, but also went 0-16 one year. I think their high points have been better and their low points lower than the Bills since 2000. I think they made a mistake dumping Caldwell last year and going for Patricia, but time will tell.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, GRHater69 said:

Not really in my eyes. The Lions have had some success this century and made the playoffs a couple of times, but also went 0-16 one year. I think their high points have been better and their low points lower than the Bills since 2000. I think they made a mistake dumping Caldwell last year and going for Patricia, but time will tell.

 

 

Caldwell was absolutely awful.

 

Patricia may not be any better, but Caldwell was terrible.

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48 minutes ago, Another Fan said:

I really don't follow Detroit football that much but it seems every four years when they play the Bills the two teams are on the same boat.  This year the Lions have won 5 games while the Bills 4 so pretty even.  I remember in 2010 the Bills got their first win of the year against the Lions but they really struggled that year as well.  In 2014 I remember Dan Carpenter drilling a 58 yarder to win the game and both teams seemed pretty evenly matched.  The Bills are 5-4-1 against the Lions all time so its pretty even.  Other items:

 

-Both rust belt cities

-Both seem to be on the bad end of calls by the refs

-The Lions had a playoff drought as well starting in 1999 I believe but it only took them 12 years to break it

-The times the Lions made the playoffs it must not have been memorable to non-fans.  Sort of like the Bills/Jaguars game last year.

 

Anyway at least IMO the teams are very similar.  I'd root for Detroit it they ever advanced in the NFC.  I mean they were hospitable in 2014 to have the Bills play there after the 7 feet of snow

 

 

I believe the Lions have one of the worst playoff winning stats of all time...they have only had one season since 1957 where they have won a playoff game.  They won 2 in 1991 and lost in the conference championship game in a blowout to the Redskins 41-10(sound familiar---they blew us out the next game).  Their playoff record in that timespan is 2-12 in 60 years.

 

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The Lions have a very real shot at making the playoffs, and they don't need to rely on anyone else outside of the Eagles (who have to play the Rams on the road and Houston) and Carolina (who has to play NO *twice*) faltering -- which is very possible. They play Buffalo (winnable), Minnesota at home (winnable), and GB on the road (tougher but winnable, given that GB may be running for the bus). I suspect an 8-8 team will make the playoffs in the NFC.  

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45 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

Without digging into the research as a franchise however, have they ever had a real, sustained playoff run over the course of 5+ years like we did (we at least have 2 solid franchise eras to refer back to)? Even when they had Sanders, he was often a one man show IIRC, and the team still went nowhere. 

Not since the 1950s, when they were great. Titles in 1952, 1953, 1957. 

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19 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

 

I believe the Lions have one of the worst playoff winning stats of all time...they have only had one season since 1957 where they have won a playoff game.  They won 2 in 1991 and lost in the conference championship game in a blowout to the Redskins 41-10(sound familiar---they blew us out the next game).  Their playoff record in that timespan is 2-12 in 60 years.

 

They were absolutely robbed in the playoffs four years ago against the Cowboys. They had that game won hands down if not for a historically egregious call by the officials that deservedly lives in infamy.

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I'd agree they'd be the closest NFC franchise to the Bills as a franchise that just never seems to put it all together.  

 

To the plus, they've had more capital investment with a very nice stadium.

 

They were frustrating in the 90s when they went to the playoffs six times with all that talent (Sanders, Moore, Porcher, Spielman) and still couldn't get over the hump.  

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1 hour ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Yes.  One of my best buddies is a Lions fan, we’ve been watching games together for years.  They are the same franchise.  The “highlight” was the Joey Harrington/Rob Johnson Era.

 

Stafford must have been more fun to watch than EJ, TT, JP, Fitzy et al over the past few years though right?? 

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They were absolutely robbed in the playoffs four years ago against the Cowboys.

 

Yes they were and then the NFL paid the Cowboys back with interest the following week in Green Bay with the non catch by Dez Bryant which was a catch.

 

 

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Truthfully the Lions are their own level of ineptitude and awfulness. Consider this:

 

  • The Lions have won a single playoff game since 1957. Literally one game. One. By comparison every single team in the NFL has won at least two games since 1988 including expansion teams like the Titans, Jaguars, and Panthers
  • People like to throw the Browns into the conversation but remember the Browns from the 1960s-1980s were one of the NFLs premiere teams despite not have a SB ring. They went to three AFC title games in the mid 1980's and prior to the year of moving made the playoffs and actually beat the Patriots of all teams with Belichek really throwing off the cosmos
  • They have hosted exactly two home playoff games since 1957 with their last being in 1993. By comparison even the lowly Arizona Cardinals hosted more home games in their two years of playoff appearances with Kurt Warner then the Lions.
  • Literally the best RB of his time retired in his prime because of their ineptitude in an era where football was exploding with money for players. A decade later one of the best WR's ever did the same despite every luxury available to players. I can't even think of a team that has had one player example retire like this let alone two
  • If the Browns beat the Lions to hosting a playoff game first they will have literally moved, came back, and hosted a game before Detroit
  • The Matt Stafford "era" is actually the second most successful since the SB era began. Only the 1990's period saw more playoff games and success.
  • The Lions are one of four teams to never appear in a SB (Browns, Jaguars, & Texans). Of those two are expansion teams and technically Cleveland's original franchise now the Ravens have won two Superbowls
  • The Lions have exactly six players who have made the HOF post merger era. One of those is DT Curley Culpy who played exactly two seasons with the Lions (1980-81). The Browns are close with just eight players in but remember the move completely sabotaged their history and teams future for a decade plus.
  • They have had three different stretches of playoff droughts lasting over 10 years

Those are just the big stats that most diehard Lions/NFL fans can tell you. The team truly is an insane picture of mediocrity. Even the Arizona Cardinals who are actually their closest competition for being awful have managed to right the ship for the past decade and make a SB plus play in an NFC title game. My understanding from Lions fans is the Ford family is very hands on but weirdly cheap when it comes to spending at points. Their finger prints are all over the issues the team has had and only the recent take over by Martha Ford and appointment of Bob Quinn as GM has represented some true changing of the deck. The Lions every year with Stafford just seem like a team that's 60% built but always have leaks springing and not enough talent to compensate.

 

The Bills seem in a different stratosphere after reading this.

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2 hours ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

Without digging into the research as a franchise however, have they ever had a real, sustained playoff run over the course of 5+ years like we did (we at least have 2 solid franchise eras to refer back to)? Even when they had Sanders, he was often a one man show IIRC, and the team still went nowhere. 

They have a championship pre superbowl era

2 hours ago, Another Fan said:

It seems like it.  Does their fan bases passion equal Buffalo though overall?

They are passionate and get defensive however they always think they are going to lose in the last minutes.  Way more than Bills fans.  I am not sure if that makes them smarter or less passionate but they seem to have more last minute losses.  They never celebrate before zeros are on the clock.

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11 minutes ago, corta765 said:

Truthfully the Lions are their own level of ineptitude and awfulness. Consider this:

 

  • The Lions have won a single playoff game since 1957. Literally one game. One. By comparison every single team in the NFL has won at least two games since 1988 including expansion teams like the Titans, Jaguars, and Panthers
  • People like to throw the Browns into the conversation but remember the Browns from the 1960s-1980s were one of the NFLs premiere teams despite not have a SB ring. They went to three AFC title games in the mid 1980's and prior to the year of moving made the playoffs and actually beat the Patriots of all teams with Belichek really throwing off the cosmos
  • They have hosted exactly two home playoff games since 1957 with their last being in 1993. By comparison even the lowly Arizona Cardinals hosted more home games in their two years of playoff appearances with Kurt Warner then the Lions.
  • Literally the best RB of his time retired in his prime because of their ineptitude in an era where football was exploding with money for players. A decade later one of the best WR's ever did the same despite every luxury available to players. I can't even think of a team that has had one player example retire like this let alone two
  • If the Browns beat the Lions to hosting a playoff game first they will have literally moved, came back, and hosted a game before Detroit
  • The Matt Stafford "era" is actually the second most successful since the SB era began. Only the 1990's period saw more playoff games and success.
  • The Lions are one of four teams to never appear in a SB (Browns, Jaguars, & Texans). Of those two are expansion teams and technically Cleveland's original franchise now the Ravens have won two Superbowls
  • The Lions have exactly six players who have made the HOF post merger era. One of those is DT Curley Culpy who played exactly two seasons with the Lions (1980-81). The Browns are close with just eight players in but remember the move completely sabotaged their history and teams future for a decade plus.
  • They have had three different stretches of playoff droughts lasting over 10 years

Those are just the big stats that most diehard Lions/NFL fans can tell you. The team truly is an insane picture of mediocrity. Even the Arizona Cardinals who are actually their closest competition for being awful have managed to right the ship for the past decade and make a SB plus play in an NFC title game. My understanding from Lions fans is the Ford family is very hands on but weirdly cheap when it comes to spending at points. Their finger prints are all over the issues the team has had and only the recent take over by Martha Ford and appointment of Bob Quinn as GM has represented some true changing of the deck. The Lions every year with Stafford just seem like a team that's 60% built but always have leaks springing and not enough talent to compensate.

 

The Bills seem in a different stratosphere after reading this.

 

Consider also that they once had two starting cornerbacks named Light and Fair and they were both bad.

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