McDermott is going to cost us in a big game

[Bray Wyatt]

While I agree the penalties are too much (pretty obvious statement there lol) I think a lot of that stems from being overmatched talent wise. Add the inexperience as well and you have a bad recipe for penalties. Coaching should help to eliminate the inexperience part of the penalties, but the talent deficiency is hard to overcome. 

[John from Riverside]

10 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

 

What does that have to do with his horrific game management skills? We've seen good, competitive teams get sunk by poor game management. 

 

I wouldn't have cared if we lost the last 2 weeks if McDermott had put this team in the best position to succeed. He didn't. We're not a playoff team either way, but it's still a problem going forward. That's something that can hurt you even if you have a good team. 

My point is if we win nobody is compkaining

[Joeziehmer]

Already has cost us several but not finding a replacement for Nate Peterman.  You will find fans completely saying it was indefensible starting him but, same fans make a “concession” for the “process” and just how much better the team will be in the mantra phrasing of “wait until next season”.  The stinging part is that some of these fans are more interested in public relations then in actual being fans and saving face for McDermott.  

[HomeskillitMoorman]

20 minutes ago, st pete gogolak said:

Isn't the question every owner and GM should be asking themselves is "can I envision this coach holding up the Lombardi Trophy?"  Honestly, as much as I liked Marv Levy, after the third Super Bowl loss, the gross embarrassment 50 point blowout to the Cowboys, there was no way I could envision Marv winning a Super Bowl.  Honestly, can you envision McDermott winning a Super Bowl?  I can't. 

 

It's tough to see that, for sure. Can you imagine him in a couple of the spots Pederson was in during the Superbowl? Probably takes a FG instead of Philly Philly, and punts at midfield at 4th on their last drive. 

[John from Riverside]

2 minutes ago, Joeziehmer said:

Already has cost us several but not finding a replacement for Nate Peterman.  You will find fans completely saying it was indefensible starting him but, same fans make a “concession” for the “process” and just how much better the team will be in the mantra phrasing of “wait until next season”.  The stinging part is that some of these fans are more interested in public relations then in actual being fans and saving face for McDermott.  

Hey troll bait

 

who should he have gotten

[HomeskillitMoorman]

4 minutes ago, The_Dude said:

 

Wait, you think McDermott is going to get the team to a "big game?"

 

If Allen is the real deal, we'll get to a big game. That's the magic of a franchise QB.

 

The goal should be the Superbowl though. I know 9-7 with a one and done playoff year goes a long way here, but I don't really care about that. It's more big picture for me. 

3 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

My point is if we win nobody is compkaining

 

That's a short-sighted way to look at it. Does that mean nothing needs improvement if you have a winning record? 

 

And yes, I would still have issues with the way he manages the game if we had won yesterday, because bad game management is still a negative over the long haul. 

[Joeziehmer]

28 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Do ppl understand that the talent of the team is not good in a rebuilding year?

 

nobody questions the decisions of the hc when they win but we are not winning this year

 

take a deep breath and realize the team is not going to win this year

He wasted a perfectly good defense with his flop of Nate Peterman.  Got an aging defense that needs to be adjusted now.  How many accounts do public relations bots hold on here?  Noticing the free ticket giveaways in a down year for ticket sales and merchandising.  Can you shed a bit of light on that?  

[John from Riverside]

2 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

 

If Allen is the real deal, we'll get to a big game. That's the magic of a franchise QB.

 

The goal should be the Superbowl though. I know 9-7 with a one and done playoff year goes a long way here, but I don't really care about that. It's more big picture for me. 

 

That's a short-sighted way to look at it. Does that mean nothing needs improvement if you have a winning record? 

 

And yes, I would still have issues with the way he manages the game if we had won yesterday, because bad game management is still a negative over the long haul. 

My point is that all coaches do what you are complaining about and they look a lot smarter when it works

 

its not working this year because the offense is horrible and special teams is beyond horrible

[The_Dude]

6 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

Got us to the biggest game the Bills have had in the last 17 years.  

 

Naw. Andy Dalton got us there. How pathetic is that? Another teams QB is a Buffalo Sports legend. 

Man, I am gettin closer and closer to bolting for Kansas City. Never thought I'd get there, but its fast approaching. 

[John from Riverside]

Just now, Joeziehmer said:

He wasted a perfectly good defense with his flop of Nate Peterman.  Got an aging defense that needs to be adjusted now.  How many accounts do public relations bots hold on here?  Noticing the free ticket giveaways in a down year for ticket sales and merchandising.  Can you shed a bit of light on that?  

You know at first I thought you might be a challenged 13 year old trying to post with the adults

 

now I see I gave you too much credit

 

 

[PIZ]

I'm not sure if it's McDermott or something else.  Doesn't he let his coordinators make most of the decisions, except for time outs?

 

My bigger question is, is there a possibility of Beane, without McDermott, or McDermott, without Beane?  I expect them both to stay, and I actually think both are doing a good job.  Get some more O talent, and then make a decision.  But, would Beane stay on if McDermott was fired, or are they always going to be a combo?

[Joeziehmer]

3 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Hey troll bait

 

who should he have gotten

Kaep, Barkley, and or anyone else not over the hill.  Public relations or social media consultant?  Just getting a cold read and a feel.  Reminds me of the folks EA hired on the Sims 4 on copy-pasta jobs.  

[John from Riverside]

3 minutes ago, The_Dude said:

 

Naw. Andy Dalton got us there. How pathetic is that? Another teams QB is a Buffalo Sports legend. 

Man, I am gettin closer and closer to bolting for Kansas City. Never thought I'd get there, but its fast approaching. 

So no team has ever made the playoffs because they won enough games and someone else Olson a game to get them in should all those fans feel bad

 

i thought you were leaving

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

2 minutes ago, The_Dude said:

 

Naw. Andy Dalton got us there. How pathetic is that? Another teams QB is a Buffalo Sports legend. 

Man, I am gettin closer and closer to bolting for Kansas City. Never thought I'd get there, but its fast approaching. 

 

Yeah, and McDermott leading this team to 9 wins with an absolute lack of talent had nothing to do with it.  Absolutely nothing. 

 

Plays like that happen every week through out the league.  Dalton's throw was just well timed and made for an exciting ending.  That same game, with that same throw, happens five weeks earlier.  No one for a moment attributes the playoff appearance to Any Dalton.  

You should be embarrassed for thinking this is a good (or logical) argument. 

 

More importantly, you should be ashamed for that lack the character your demonstrate for threatening (which is weird in its own right) to not stay loyal to your team.  

[Bill_with_it]

1 hour ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

From having an injured kicker go for a 54 yarder to the 2 runs on 1st and 2nd at the Jets 23 on the second to last drive...this conservative garbage is so incredibly frustrating. I just don't understand it. Is the point of the game to keep it close or to go for the win? Even when we're 4-8 the guy just won't go for it. Give Allen more than 1 shot on that set of downs to make a play. Stop playing for a field goal. 

 

You can see this coming a mile away, sometime in the future if we make it back to the playoffs, his brutal gameday management and conservativeness is going to bite us hard at the end of a game. 

 

 

His coaching also got us to the biggest game this franchise has seen ina quarter of a century, with a cap strapped team, a lame offensive coordinator, and a very mediocre set off offensive playmakers. Give him more than 2 seasons of head coaching experience and see what happens. Here is the thing an aggressive play style that you yearn for that you see happening with other teams (chiefs, saints, rams, etc) there is a reason it works for them; I’m going to go out on a limb and state that hopefully you can see the differences (plural) between our team and theirs that would make it easier for a head coach to put the game on the line by risking an aggressive play style that isnt needed at that point in the game.

[HomeskillitMoorman]

4 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

My point is that all coaches do what you are complaining about and they look a lot smarter when it works

 

its not working this year because the offense is horrible and special teams is beyond horrible

 

No, they don't. Not all coaches are inept with game and clock management. I'm not even saying we would have won the last 2 weeks with better decision-making, but we would have had a better shot, which is what your head coach should be giving you...the best possible shot to win. Things like giving away possessions at the end of the half is going to look just as bad if we become a good team as they do now.

 

McDermott is still going to have to manage the game and clock if we become a better team next season. In fact, he's going to be in more close games and tight situations and have more decisions to make. What we're seeing now is a troubling indicator of what could come when he's faced with all that. 

[Tenhigh]

4 minutes ago, Joeziehmer said:

Kaep, Barkley, and or anyone else not over the hill.  Public relations or social media consultant?  Just getting a cold read and a feel.  Reminds me of the folks EA hired on the Sims 4 on copy-pasta jobs.  

mmmmmmm  COPY PASTA

[The_Dude]

Just now, John from Riverside said:

So no team has ever made the playoffs because they won enough games and someone else Olson a game to get them in should all those fans feel bad

 

i thought you were leaving

 

I do what I want, John. 

[John from Riverside]

6 minutes ago, Joeziehmer said:

Kaep, Barkley, and or anyone else not over the hill.  Public relations or social media consultant?  Just getting a cold read and a feel.  Reminds me of the folks EA hired on the Sims 4 on copy-pasta jobs.  

No team in the league is taking kaep

barkley was just out there for everyone 

we just drAfted a qb in the 7th round

the team is rebuilding and without a ol and receivers it does not matter who you brought in off the street

 

Take a lap

 

 

[Joeziehmer]

5 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

You know at first I thought you might be a challenged 13 year old trying to post with the adults

 

now I see I gave you too much credit

 

 

Merchandising and ticketing sales are low.  You work to fill a void there in lost profitability and saving public face.  With a little bit of salty anger thrown in for dissenting opinions.  

[Tenhigh]

Personally, I think that McD needs an Ernie Adams-like character keeping an eye on things from up in the booth and offering wise advise in stress scenarios. 

[MDH]

1 hour ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

Hauschka is one of our best players.  When the game is on the line, you go with the talent.  The offense wasn't exactly stellar. There was no reason to believe they could continue to reliably move the ball when McD went for the 55 yarder.  It was the smart choice. 

 

If Haush wasn’t hurt earlier in the game, maybe.

 

But the moment they trotted him out there I was asking, “wtf are they doing?!” The guy looked hurt trotting on and off the field for kickoffs and you’re sending a player out there with a lower back injury to try and hit a 55 yarder?

 

It’s not hindsight, it was dumb from the get go.

[HomeskillitMoorman]

2 minutes ago, Bill_with_it said:

His coaching also got us to the biggest game this franchise has seen ina quarter of a century, with a cap strapped team, a lame offensive coordinator, and a very mediocre set off offensive playmakers. Give him more than 2 seasons of head coaching experience and see what happens. Here is the thing an aggressive play style that you yearn for that you see happening with other teams (chiefs, saints, rams, etc) there is a reason it works for them; I’m going to go out on a limb and state that hopefully you can see the differences (plural) between our team and theirs that would make it easier for a head coach to put the game on the line by risking an aggressive play style that isnt needed at that point in the game.

 

I think one this is one of the fundamental differences in how we approach this. It was fun in the moment...but 9-7 and one and done in the playoffs really doesn't mean anything to me. No matter where you are as a franchise or how long it's been since success, the end goal should always be Superbowl/perennial legitimate contender. That means having the right guy for that kind of goal. I don't think coaching to keep it close instead of winning is going to bring and keep this team at that level long-term.

 

I'm not asking for this team to win this year, in fact I've said a million times that I don't care about the record at all this year. I'm just looking for progression in important areas. I don't see it with him. Yeah, this isn't a good offense. But Allen was good enough yesterday to give him more of a shot to close that game out. Instead, McDermott played for a field goal. It's not even like he coached for a field goal with 30 seconds left. There were over 2 minutes on the clock. 

 

And what about all the blunders with clock management he's had? That has nothing to do with the team's talent deficiencies, only his own. 

[Mark80]

Guess I missed the part where McDermott started calling the offensive plays.  Strange, I thought that would have made more news. 

 

Maybe you should be blaming Daboll for the play calls, not McD?  Whether to go for it or not is on McD, but not the actual play calls.

[Bob in STL]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

The penalties are a big problem.  That many penalties, either you have guys who are not being taught/coached the right way

 

Or you have guys who just can't learn

 

Some penalties in the league are always going to be ticky-tack or wrong.  But we make too many penalties (and other mistakes) that are justified, and dumb, for a well-coached team.

 

 

McDermott as a HC needs to take a big step, no doubt.

 

 

Or guys are just not good enough and need to hold.  I think that is our OL. 

 

The offensive pass interference calls on #19, twice.  A coach need to talk to him and review the rule book.  You cannot block down field before or during a pass.   You can block after the catch.    Those calls hurt as did Teller and multiple penalties. 

 

 

[The_Dude]

15 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

Yeah, and McDermott leading this team to 9 wins with an absolute lack of talent had nothing to do with it.  Absolutely nothing. 

 

Plays like that happen every week through out the league.  Dalton's throw was just well timed and made for an exciting ending.  That same game, with that same throw, happens five weeks earlier.  No one for a moment attributes the playoff appearance to Any Dalton.  

You should be embarrassed for thinking this is a good (or logical) argument. 

 

More importantly, you should be ashamed for that lack the character your demonstrate for threatening (which is weird in its own right) to not stay loyal to your team.  

 

Does your character make you feel better when your team sucks?

I've been a fan for nearly 30 years. The losing and patheticness has gotten to me. Especially the idiotic moves. This team may be good enough for you, but some of us are winners in life and like to be around winning. 

[HomeskillitMoorman]

1 minute ago, Mark80 said:

Guess I missed the part where McDermott started calling the offensive plays.  Strange, I thought that would have made more news. 

 

Maybe you should be blaming Daboll for the play calls, not McD?  Whether to go for it or not is on McD, but not the actual play calls.

 

McDermott's the head coach, he knows what's being called. The coordinator is an extension of him. 

 

I'm always amazed at how people think the head coach should be blameless for so many things. Offensive play-calling, special teams, etc. There's a reason why he's the Head Coach. Do you also only blame Bevell for the Seahawks gaffe in the SB vs the Pats?

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

It's a minor miracle he didn't cost us the snow game last year vs the Colts. 4th and 1 from the Colts 41 with 4 minutes left in OT and you punt??!!?? When a tie essentially eliminates us from playoff contention. 

 

 

[Augie]

The flip side is....the title implies McD will get us TO a big game! It’s a start!   ?

[Niagara Dude]

2 hours ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

From having an injured kicker go for a 54 yarder to the 2 runs on 1st and 2nd at the Jets 23 on the second to last drive...this conservative garbage is so incredibly frustrating. I just don't understand it. Is the point of the game to keep it close or to go for the win? Even when we're 4-8 the guy just won't go for it. Give Allen more than 1 shot on that set of downs to make a play. Stop playing for a field goal. 

 

You can see this coming a mile away, sometime in the future if we make it back to the playoffs, his brutal gameday management and conservativeness is going to bite us hard at the end of a game. 

 

 

The Pegulas need to move on from this loser,  ground and pound days are done.  Get offensive minded coach and enough this caveman football

[HomeskillitMoorman]

1 minute ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:

It's a minor miracle he didn't cost us the snow game last year vs the Colts. 4th and 1 from the Colts 41 with 4 minutes left in OT and you punt??!!?? When a tie essentially eliminates us from playoff contention. 

 

 

 

That wasn't even the biggest part of that near-debacle.

 

After the game he said something like, "I'd rather tie than lose"...meaning the Head Coach, the LEADER of this football team didn't know that the team needed the W over the tie to stay in playoff contention. Scary stuff. 

[Bill_with_it]

2 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

 

I think one this is one of the fundamental differences in how we approach this. It was fun in the moment...but 9-7 and one and done in the playoffs really doesn't mean anything to me. No matter where you are as a franchise or how long it's been since success, the end goal should always be Superbowl/perennial legitimate contender. That means having the right guy for that kind of goal. I don't think coaching to keep it close instead of winning is going to bring and keep this team at that level long-term.

 

I'm not asking for this team to win this year, in fact I've said a million times that I don't care about the record at all this year. I'm just looking for progression in important areas. I don't see it with him. Yeah, this isn't a good offense. But Allen was good enough yesterday to give him more of a shot to close that game out. Instead, McDermott played for a field goal. It's not even like he coached for a field goal with 30 seconds left. There were over 2 minutes on the clock. 

 

And what about all the blunders with clock management he's had? That has nothing to do with the team's talent deficiencies, only his own. 

Ive said it. Hes been coaching for less than two years head coaching experience. Hes made mistakes that other young head coaches have made too, however , their talent on their team have bailed them out. Hes made alot of mistakes and I think if you had the opportunity to ask him he would state ao. Talent makes a world of difference, especially in coaching and the decisions a coach makes. It cant be taken as in well the rams coach does it so its the golden standard. If your team is struggling to move the ball and its before half time and your game plan is innecfective, with the talent the bills have on hand its a very smart move to goninto to half time and adjust instead of risking a dropped pass, turnover (int), or a failure for your rbs to pick up a first down to turn the ball over to the opposing team and put your defense back on the field. However, if you had the rams offense, saints offense, or chiefs offense, then thats a higher probability if converting based on playmakers alone, not to mention the comfortability of the hc with the oc, the comfortability with the players in a non first year system, etc.

thats what many of you fail to realize the context of the situation isnt being taken in consideration. Nothing is similiar between those teams other than they play in the NFL and they are allowed to have 11 players on the field at the same time. Thats were the similarities end. Thats why you are likely never to see an aggressive play style from our coach offensively until the offense is more consistently producing. 

[CommonCents]

27 minutes ago, The_Dude said:

 

Naw. Andy Dalton got us there. How pathetic is that? Another teams QB is a Buffalo Sports legend. 

Man, I am gettin closer and closer to bolting for Kansas City. Never thought I'd get there, but its fast approaching. 

I bet you coming run back after big Andy goes bezerk in the playoffs and forgets how to score.

[Dr. K]

1 hour ago, 4_kidd_4 said:

The lack of situational awareness on-field too.

 

The call to throw it to Allen was a garbage playcall to begin with,  BUT if you’re gonna call ityou have to have it drilled into Zay’s head that if it’s not there pull it and run. He could have easily scooted up the gut for the 3 yards, instead it somehow turned into a corner fade and Alled layed out hard.

This to me was the most vital sequence in the game. Zay's decision to try to throw it as the play called for instead of getting the three yards that he could easily have managed was brutal. If he gets that first down, the Bills have a shot at scoring a touchdown, or even if they don't they run a lot of time off the clock and leave the Jets will much less time to score. 

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

15 minutes ago, MDH said:

 

If Haush wasn’t hurt earlier in the game, maybe.

 

But the moment they trotted him out there I was asking, “wtf are they doing?!” The guy looked hurt trotting on and off the field for kickoffs and you’re sending a player out there with a lower back injury to try and hit a 55 yarder?

 

It’s not hindsight, it was dumb from the get go.

 

Your player tells you hes good to go and the docs clear the guy, you listen to the player.  This is football.  Guys play through pain. 

8 minutes ago, The_Dude said:

 

Does your character make you feel better when your team sucks?

I've been a fan for nearly 30 years. The losing and patheticness has gotten to me. Especially the idiotic moves. This team may be good enough for you, but some of us are winners in life and like to be around winning. 

 

I have yet to meet a person who speaks of themselves in this manner that is, in fact, a winner. 

[xsoldier54]

1 hour ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

 

He knows what's being called, and if he doesn't...that's a problem in it of itself. 

 

Coordinators operate under the head coach's philosophy and influence, they are an extension of what the head coach wants. 

He does know, but he let's Dabol call the plays.   Having the same philosophy and agreeing on exactly the same call on each and every play are two very different things.

[HomeskillitMoorman]

9 minutes ago, Bill_with_it said:

Ive said it. Hes been coaching for less than two years head coaching experience. Hes made mistakes that other young head coaches have made too, however , their talent on their team have bailed them out. Hes made alot of mistakes and I think if you had the opportunity to ask him he would state ao. Talent makes a world of difference, especially in coaching and the decisions a coach makes. It cant be taken as in well the rams coach does it so its the golden standard. If your team is struggling to move the ball and its before half time and your game plan is innecfective, with the talent the bills have on hand its a very smart move to goninto to half time and adjust instead of risking a dropped pass, turnover (int), or a failure for your rbs to pick up a first down to turn the ball over to the opposing team and put your defense back on the field. However, if you had the rams offense, saints offense, or chiefs offense, then thats a higher probability if converting based on playmakers alone, not to mention the comfortability of the hc with the oc, the comfortability with the players in a non first year system, etc.

thats what many of you fail to realize the context of the situation isnt being taken in consideration. Nothing is similiar between those teams other than they play in the NFL and they are allowed to have 11 players on the field at the same time. Thats were the similarities end. Thats why you are likely never to see an aggressive play style from our coach offensively until the offense is more consistently producing. 

 

To me this is a cop-out because Allen the last 2 games has been good enough to beat those teams, and McD still coached the same way.

 

And there's no excuse for bad clock management no matter how bad the team is. Those situations with critical thinking are not going to change if we do add quality talent to the offense and become a good team. If anything, they're going to intensify. 

[Bill_with_it]

2 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

 

To me this is a cop-out because Allen the last 2 games has been good enough to beat those teams, and McD still coached the same way.

 

And there's no excuse for bad clock management no matter how bad the team is. Those situations with critical thinking are not going to change if we do add quality talent to the offense and become a good team. If anything, they're going to intensify. 

What? 

Its not a cop out.

At then end of the first quarter Allen from carrying the team on his shoulders literally showed a gimpy demeanor on the side of the field regarding his legs.

Mckenzie and Foster both were sidelined a couple of times during big hits. 

Shady played 1.2 nano seconds.

Our guard got rolled up on pretty badly.

It wasnt  the same, we werent playing against the same folks, we werent playing against the same defense.

Its not necessarily bad clock management, without knowing his intent.

If his intent was as I stated earlier getting out of the halftime without turning the ball over and giving the opposing team another opportunity  to score in order to revist and revise the ineffective portion of the gameplan isnt bad clock management; it’s actually pretty smart and effective. Once again just because you see Brady Brees Rams chiefs attempt to march down the field with two minites left doesnt mean its right for this team. 

Because conversly if it fails and the other team scores then you just made it worse.

[RyanC883]

the 55 yard field goal with an injured kicker was a head-scratcher.   either punt and pin them back, or better yet, let JA and the offense try to execute a 4th down. 

[The_Dude]

20 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

I have yet to meet a person who speaks of themselves in this manner that is, in fact, a winner. 

 

Kewl story, bruh.