[Incomplete Title] As an admitted McDermott detractor

[GunnerBill]

8 hours ago, MJS said:

 

How do you tell the difference between getting out coached and not having enough talent? The plan could be great, but if you don't have guys who can execute the plan, it doesn't matter. So can you give me examples of him being out coached vs just losing due to bad players?

 

I have usually been the first this season to point at the execution of the players that has been atrocious because we are under talented. But today there is a lot of specifics that you can blame on coaching:

 

Why didn't they send extra pressure at Darnold when he began to get comfortable in the 2nd half? I think I counted one blitz the whole half. Coaching.

Why did it take them so long to make any adjustment at all in the kicking game to the fact that they were getting abysmal gunner play and the Jets returner was gashing us? Coaching.

Why when 14-6 up with a 3rd and 3 deep in the redzone did we run a ridiculous gimmick play with Zay Jones passing? Coaching.

Why did we try and kick a long FG with an injured FG kicker? Coaching.

 

McDermott is the Head Coach. The coaching was awful yesterday. The buck stops with him. And I am a McDermott guy. I still support him. But when you have bad talent (we do) it is even more important the coaches put them in position to be the best versions of themselves. We didn't do that yesterday.

[Jpsredemption]

He's an old school coach with an old school mentality. Play tough defense, keep the game close, and believe in culture over strategy.

 

All this adds up to is thorough mediocrity at best. 

[Joeziehmer]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I have usually been the first this season to point at the execution of the players that has been atrocious because we are under talented. But today there is a lot of specifics that you can blame on coaching:

 

Why didn't they send extra pressure at Darnold when he began to get comfortable in the 2nd half? I think I counted one blitz the whole half. Coaching.

Why did it take them so long to make any adjustment at all in the kicking game to the fact that they were getting abysmal gunner play and the Jets returner was gashing us? Coaching.

Why when 14-6 up with a 3rd and 3 deep in the redzone did we run a ridiculous gimmick play with Zay Jones passing? Coaching.

Why did we try and kick a long FG with an injured FG kicker? Coaching.

 

McDermott is the Head Coach. The coaching was awful yesterday. The buck stops with him. And I am a McDermott guy. I still support him. But when you have bad talent (we do) it is even more important the coaches put them in position to be the best versions of themselves. We didn't do that yesterday.

Tired of looking at picks when we needed help on the offensive line and didn’t bother to address it.  But, hey for free agency we signed Murphy and Star.  Because, you know it’s McDermott’s defensive genius.  If Brandon Beane cut Nate Peterman; after McDermott’s confidence presser.  It means McDermott is falling out of favor with not just Beane but Pegula’s and I honestly feel that Beane to save his own neck; is looking a bringing in his own Head Coach. 

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, Joeziehmer said:

 If Brandon Beane cut Nate Peterman; after McDermott’s confidence presser.  It means McDermott is falling out of favor with not just Beane but Pegula’s and I honestly feel that Beane to save his own neck; is looking a bringing in his own Head Coach. 

 

I actually think that was just McDermott doing Peterman one last solid before releasing him. On a personal basis he obviously loved Nate Peterman and I do think it clouded his football judgment somewhat. That final presser to me was just McDermott trying to get out to the rest of the league that he still thinks Nate can play to help him find a new club. The problem being the league has watched the tape. Nate is done in the NFL.

 

As for McDermott falling out of favour.... I don't believe that is the case. I think Beane and McDermott know they are tied at the hip and I think they know this offseason is critical to both their futures.

[Joeziehmer]

14 minutes ago, Jpsredemption said:

He's an old school coach with an old school mentality. Play tough defense, keep the game close, and believe in culture over strategy.

 

All this adds up to is thorough mediocrity at best. 

I think the writing is on the wall here.  Brandon Beane is looking to save his own neck.  Right now he’s got more sway with Terry and Kim than McDermott has.  The Nate Peterman release after the McDermott confidence presser all but assured that.  After bringing in McDermott guys in Star and Murphy knowing that offensive line was the bigger need as we drafted Allen.

4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I actually think that was just McDermott doing Peterman one last solid before releasing him. On a personal basis he obviously loved Nate Peterman and I do think it clouded his football judgment somewhat. That final presser to me was just McDermott trying to get out to the rest of the league that he still thinks Nate can play to help him find a new club. The problem being the league has watched the tape. Nate is done in the NFL.

 

As for McDermott falling out of favour.... I don't believe that is the case. I think Beane and McDermott know they are tied at the hip and I think they know this offseason is critical to both their futures.

I don’t think Beane wants to be tired to him anymore.  What he wants is his own Head Coach every GM wants their own guy.  Even if McDermott brought him in; seeing how inept and terrible he is Beane would save his own neck or find work arounds to elevate himself above Sean.  

[Joeziehmer]

5 hours ago, Ned Kelly said:

Done. 

Posted in your mocking draft thread.

 

 

I’ve got Sam Mustipher at center in the second, with Dalton Risner and David Edwards falling stock wiseinto the fifth round where we have two.  

[Ned Kelly]

What are you dribbling about now Joe?

 

[Tenhigh]

4 hours ago, Joeziehmer said:

In a draft class rich with offensive linemen you took one center?  In the first round when we need to bolster those positions and keep Allen safe?  Got weapons but without a line not going to be able to execute any way to get the ball to them.

Didn't you only take 1 offensive lineman in yours?   And took RBs in rounds 1 and 3?

[T master]

17 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Why so serious?

 

? Awesome !! Stevie Lives !! 

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I have usually been the first this season to point at the execution of the players that has been atrocious because we are under talented. But today there is a lot of specifics that you can blame on coaching:

 

Why didn't they send extra pressure at Darnold when he began to get comfortable in the 2nd half? I think I counted one blitz the whole half. Coaching.

Why did it take them so long to make any adjustment at all in the kicking game to the fact that they were getting abysmal gunner play and the Jets returner was gashing us? Coaching.

Why when 14-6 up with a 3rd and 3 deep in the redzone did we run a ridiculous gimmick play with Zay Jones passing? Coaching.

Why did we try and kick a long FG with an injured FG kicker? Coaching.

 

McDermott is the Head Coach. The coaching was awful yesterday. The buck stops with him. And I am a McDermott guy. I still support him. But when you have bad talent (we do) it is even more important the coaches put them in position to be the best versions of themselves. We didn't do that yesterday.

 

This pissed me off. I'm hoping to see more passing plays from Allen that result in actual passes when suddenly Zay gets to throw? 

[MJS]

4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I have usually been the first this season to point at the execution of the players that has been atrocious because we are under talented. But today there is a lot of specifics that you can blame on coaching:

 

Why didn't they send extra pressure at Darnold when he began to get comfortable in the 2nd half? I think I counted one blitz the whole half. Coaching.

Why did it take them so long to make any adjustment at all in the kicking game to the fact that they were getting abysmal gunner play and the Jets returner was gashing us? Coaching.

Why when 14-6 up with a 3rd and 3 deep in the redzone did we run a ridiculous gimmick play with Zay Jones passing? Coaching.

Why did we try and kick a long FG with an injured FG kicker? Coaching.

 

McDermott is the Head Coach. The coaching was awful yesterday. The buck stops with him. And I am a McDermott guy. I still support him. But when you have bad talent (we do) it is even more important the coaches put them in position to be the best versions of themselves. We didn't do that yesterday.

 

All of those issues you mentioned could be explained by bad execution by the players. If they execute you suddenly call those good coaching decisions.

 

For example the gimmick play. The Eagles just won a Superbowl using a very similar play. Everyone talked about how great of a coaching move that was.

 

And they probably were making adjustments, but if the players don't execute, how would you know? To the fans it just looks like they are still getting beat.

4 hours ago, Joeziehmer said:

I think the writing is on the wall here.  Brandon Beane is looking to save his own neck.  Right now he’s got more sway with Terry and Kim than McDermott has.  The Nate Peterman release after the McDermott confidence presser all but assured that.  After bringing in McDermott guys in Star and Murphy knowing that offensive line was the bigger need as we drafted Allen.

I don’t think Beane wants to be tired to him anymore.  What he wants is his own Head Coach every GM wants their own guy.  Even if McDermott brought him in; seeing how inept and terrible he is Beane would save his own neck or find work arounds to elevate himself above Sean.  

 

Excuse me, but you have no idea how Brandon Beane feels. Everything you are saying is an uneducated guess. Pure specualtion based on absolutely nothing.

[Joeziehmer]

18 minutes ago, MJS said:

 

All of those issues you mentioned could be explained by bad execution by the players. If they execute you suddenly call those good coaching decisions.

 

For example the gimmick play. The Eagles just won a Superbowl using a very similar play. Everyone talked about how great of a coaching move that was.

 

And they probably were making adjustments, but if the players don't execute, how would you know? To the fans it just looks like they are still getting beat.

 

Excuse me, but you have no idea how Brandon Beane feels. Everything you are saying is an uneducated guess. Pure specualtion based on absolutely nothing.

Blame the players and never the Coach.  

[HomeskillitMoorman]

4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I have usually been the first this season to point at the execution of the players that has been atrocious because we are under talented. But today there is a lot of specifics that you can blame on coaching:

 

Why didn't they send extra pressure at Darnold when he began to get comfortable in the 2nd half? I think I counted one blitz the whole half. Coaching.

Why did it take them so long to make any adjustment at all in the kicking game to the fact that they were getting abysmal gunner play and the Jets returner was gashing us? Coaching.

Why when 14-6 up with a 3rd and 3 deep in the redzone did we run a ridiculous gimmick play with Zay Jones passing? Coaching.

Why did we try and kick a long FG with an injured FG kicker? Coaching.

 

McDermott is the Head Coach. The coaching was awful yesterday. The buck stops with him. And I am a McDermott guy. I still support him. But when you have bad talent (we do) it is even more important the coaches put them in position to be the best versions of themselves. We didn't do that yesterday.

 

 

It is incredibly frustrating. 

 

I didn't mind the gimmick play, sometimes they work, sometimes they don't. But the long FG with an injured kicker and the 2 runs on the second to last drive when Allen was pushing the ball really bothered me. He was playing for the FG, as he always does. This is not a coach that has the killer instinct to go for the throat. 

 

There is so much Jauron on him, it's scary. 

[GunnerBill]

50 minutes ago, MJS said:

 

All of those issues you mentioned could be explained by bad execution by the players. If they execute you suddenly call those good coaching decisions.

 

For example the gimmick play. The Eagles just won a Superbowl using a very similar play. Everyone talked about how great of a coaching move that was.

 

Players should have better executed blitzes that weren't called? Or maybe they should have ignored the coaches and kicked through the endzone every time rather than trying to execute the play as called? Or maybe Hauschka should have better executed a kick that he was physically incapable of making at that point?

 

The trick play, yea, if they'd executed it everyone would have been going wild. But this wasn't a Superbowl with a backup QB. This was a regular season game when you are trying to develop a rookie and have him a 3rd and 3 obvious dropback pass situation deep in the redzone. To not want to give your rookie a chance to go through that as a learning experience was a mistake. Even if they had executed the trick play and scored I'd have said it was the wrong play. It was just bad situational football.

 

As I say, I am usually all about execution. I think it is hard to pin that yesterday on execution. First and foremost that was on coaching.

Edited December 10, 2018 by GunnerBill

[Joeziehmer]

1 hour ago, MJS said:

 

All of those issues you mentioned could be explained by bad execution by the players. If they execute you suddenly call those good coaching decisions.

 

For example the gimmick play. The Eagles just won a Superbowl using a very similar play. Everyone talked about how great of a coaching move that was.

 

And they probably were making adjustments, but if the players don't execute, how would you know? To the fans it just looks like they are still getting beat.

 

Excuse me, but you have no idea how Brandon Beane feels. Everything you are saying is an uneducated guess. Pure specualtion based on absolutely nothing.

It’s public relations and there’s a lot of dissension and disappointments from Beane not wanting to be known as tanking this season.  Along with being staked as keeping Nate Peterman around.  Denying it throws shade on McDermott and that’s what Beane has stated publicly.  

[teef]

5 minutes ago, Joeziehmer said:

It’s public relations and there’s a lot of dissension and disappointments from Beane not wanting to be known as tanking this season.  Along with being staked as keeping Nate Peterman around.  Denying it throws shade on McDermott and that’s what Beane has stated publicly.  

do you get paid based on how many times you mention nate peterman?

[HeHateMe]

19 hours ago, BillsFan130 said:

It was a bad game by Mcd today. His whole coaching staff really. I hated the conservative approach by him and Frazier on defence 

They needed to bring way more pressure than they did and start hitting darnold.  He was like he was in his backyard throwing late in this game.

[Joeziehmer]

17 minutes ago, teef said:

do you get paid based on how many times you mention nate peterman?

No, do you get paid for defending the Bills blindly?  

[teef]

2 minutes ago, Joeziehmer said:

No, do you get paid for defending the Bills blindly?  

no.  have i done that at any point, or is that something you just throw out there because your opinions and ideas are terrible?

[Royale with Cheese]

5 minutes ago, teef said:

no.  have i done that at any point, or is that something you just throw out there because your opinions and ideas are terrible?

 

Over or under at 50% of the time he's at a restaurant....he wants to speak to the Manager.

[LSHMEAB]

34 minutes ago, HeHateMe said:

They needed to bring way more pressure than they did and start hitting darnold.  He was like he was in his backyard throwing late in this game.

This. For a "great" defense, they sure as hell come up small WAAAAY too often. Far too many times, they put up decent numbers but don't get the stops when they're critically needed.

[teef]

12 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Over or under at 50% of the time he's at a restaurant....he wants to speak to the Manager.

he won't even speak to the manager.  he's a guy who will act like everything is fine, then go home and blast the restaurant online.

 

 

[Joeziehmer]

42 minutes ago, teef said:

no.  have i done that at any point, or is that something you just throw out there because your opinions and ideas are terrible?

Not exactly throwing it out just getting a read on folks and their unlimited devotion to tanking and saving public face.  Reminds me of an EA firm hired for promoting The Sims 4 with copy-pasta from the official site.  Didn’t take long for me to deduce who they were Teefless.  

[teef]

17 minutes ago, Joeziehmer said:

Not exactly throwing it out just getting a read on folks and their unlimited devotion to tanking and saving public face.  Reminds me of an EA firm hired for promoting The Sims 4 with copy-pasta from the official site.  Didn’t take long for me to deduce who they were Teefless.  

now i'm just scared.

[brianb386]

To me, after this season ends he gets kind of a blank slate. The playoff drought ending no longer matters and neither does the debacle that was the first half of this season. I agree with many of the complaints. There are also a lot of things I like from him. McBeane should get the chance to put things together the way they have presumably planned and we need to see how it comes together next season.

[downunderbill]

2 hours ago, brianb386 said:

To me, after this season ends he gets kind of a blank slate. The playoff drought ending no longer matters and neither does the debacle that was the first half of this season. I agree with many of the complaints. There are also a lot of things I like from him. McBeane should get the chance to put things together the way they have presumably planned and we need to see how it comes together next season.

 

I feel the same way, there has been good and bad but now they have the money and draft picks to make a significant playoff push next year with their personnel. Lets see if they can pull it off.

[NoHuddleKelly12]

23 hours ago, Joeziehmer said:

Did standing in full respect and confidence with Peterman grant him extra special powers too; avoiding the blame?  

You really must not have used the search function to look through too many threads around here before saying that he’s avoided any blame over NP. Just sayin’...

4 hours ago, Joeziehmer said:

No, do you get paid for defending the Bills blindly?  

Wow...don’t think Teef has ever been accused of that before ???

[Jpsredemption]

8 hours ago, teef said:

no.  have i done that at any point, or is that something you just throw out there because your opinions and ideas are terrible?

He's entitled to his opinion..just because it's not popular does not mean you and the Bills defense attorneys should gang up and run people off the board for dissenting opinions.

 

Besides not every poster is as resilient as I am.

[Joeziehmer]

4 minutes ago, Jpsredemption said:

He's entitled to his opinion..just because it's not popular does not mean you and the Bills defense attorneys should gang up and run people off the board for dissenting opinions.

 

Besides not every poster is as resilient as I am.

The moderators wait and give far to much leeway for some members.  It’s a little uncomfortable having them question whether or not I’m an immigrant or if I understand English comprehension.  Understanding that they are using corporate methodologies of Nixon-era practices with rats that I’m a little bit more acclimated to given my former professional background.  I know they want profanity or an excuse to get others tossed and moderators don’t want to see the gravy train of web hosting sponsorship ended.  

[Bing Bong]

17 minutes ago, Joeziehmer said:

The moderators wait and give far to much leeway for some members.  It’s a little uncomfortable having them question whether or not I’m an immigrant or if I understand English comprehension.  Understanding that they are using corporate methodologies of Nixon-era practices with rats that I’m a little bit more acclimated to given my former professional background.  I know they want profanity or an excuse to get others tossed and moderators don’t want to see the gravy train of web hosting sponsorship ended.  

Lol I gotta admit Joe the paranoid side of me does think some paid media interns are running rampant round here. It's complete paranoia but there have been a lot of process missionaries this season. All hail the process.

 

This season sucked donkey.. it's silly to say otherwise. I'm optimistic but I ain't trusting the process brutha. Just pulling for the Bills to get better. Not "trusting" they do.

 

I don't trust people that feel compelled to ask me to trust them lol.

Edited December 11, 2018 by PetermanThrew5Picks

[Joeziehmer]

1 minute ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

Lol I gotta admit Joe the paranoid side of me does think some paid media interns are running rampant round here. It's complete paranoia but there have been a lot of process missionaries this season. All hail the process.

 

This season sucked donkey.. I'm optimistic but I ain't trusting the process brutha. Just pulling for the Bills to get better. Not "trusting" they do.

I actually see McDermott getting fired after his decisions to keep Peterman.  It didn’t do him a solid to run the presser.  Beane may have been brought in by him; to save his own neck though, his process is to find a better Coach.  As well as his choice in Coaches and whose been someone he’s worked with that’s achieved a level of success not being fired in all of his stops so far.  

[Bing Bong]

8 minutes ago, Joeziehmer said:

I actually see McDermott getting fired after his decisions to keep Peterman.  It didn’t do him a solid to run the presser.  Beane may have been brought in by him; to save his own neck though, his process is to find a better Coach.  As well as his choice in Coaches and whose been someone he’s worked with that’s achieved a level of success not being fired in all of his stops so far.  

Nah he bought time garnering "trust". Total moron for the Peterman debacle, but he has his merits.. and his flaws need to be fixed QUICK. But I think he's won over trust at OBD.

 

Anyways Teef ain't a paid media intern.

Edited December 11, 2018 by PetermanThrew5Picks

[dlonce]

I actually liked McDermott, but he’s not improving at all, and his coaching decisions on personnel,both coaching and player is lacking.

He hired Brian Dabol. Brian Dabol everyone. No worries about him taking His job.

 

Ive soured on him after watching his team commit penalty after penalty, his attempts at experimentation of scheme in game, cramming bad players down our throats in the name of being a special teams player. He’s way too conservative, and tried to make something out of nothing with regards to the O line, TE and all the receiving corps. It’s partially his fault. No qualifying needed.

 

He and Beane brought in below average players,  thinking they had some magical formula making them serviceable. It’s not working.

Enough with the cast off Carolina players. Enough with the BS excuse “ I have to look at the film”

J.A. needs a real, experienced,innovative QB coach to help him along. 

 

The mandate from Pegula to become fiscally responsible doesn’t help either. Beane is taking it to the extreme. 

I can only hope they have a plan for all this and everyone improves, we actually attempt to buy or draft an O line, along with WRs.

Maybe I can get back to being behind McDermot again, but I doubt it.

 

 

 

[dlonce]

On 12/9/2018 at 7:30 PM, MJS said:

 

It was a 54 yard field goal, not 57. That's a tremendous difference. Hauschka is money from 50+ usually. If he says he is fine and can make the kick, you let him try.

 

Believing that McDermott told Daboll to run it two times is silly. Daboll calls the offense. McDermott doesn't.

 

They played their defense all day. I saw no indication of them playing "safe". What do you mean by that? What did they do differently?

Great.

 

Money is money from 50 plus.

When your coach keeps a revolving door of punters cycling through OBD somethings got to give.

Kickers like consistency, such as having the same damn guy hold on field goals. New guy, New way to hold.

 

What in the hell is McDermots fascination with the punting game? It’s hardly been that bad. It’s cost us points because of the new holders.

 

They didn’t play their defense, McClappy was experimenting all day. They played mostly zone, four man rush with minimal dogs. They played a rookie QB and played zone. Unreal. They should have lined up and pinned their ears back. I just don’t understand their philosophy.

 

McClappy has publicly stated his philosophy, that is to run and stop the run. The run wasn’t working so McClappys coach decides to continue to run. That’s MDs philosophy, that’s what he wants, that’s his offensive coordinator. He has the power to change that at anytime, he didn’t, therefore he wanted it.

 

 

Edited December 11, 2018 by dlonce

[Bing Bong]

9 minutes ago, dlonce said:

I actually liked McDermott, but he’s not improving at all, and his coaching decisions on personnel,both coaching and player is lacking.

He hired Brian Dabol. Brian Dabol everyone. No worries about him taking His job.

 

Ive soured on him after watching his team commit penalty after penalty, his attempts at experimentation of scheme in game, cramming bad players down our throats in the name of being a special teams player. He’s way too conservative, and tried to make something out of nothing with regards to the O line, TE and all the receiving corps. It’s partially his fault. No qualifying needed.

 

He and Beane brought in below average players,  thinking they had some magical formula making them serviceable. It’s not working.

Enough with the cast off Carolina players. Enough with the BS excuse “ I have to look at the film”

J.A. needs a real, experienced,innovative QB coach to help him along. 

 

The mandate from Pegula to become fiscally responsible doesn’t help either. Beane is taking it to the extreme. 

I can only hope they have a plan for all this and everyone improves, we actually attempt to buy or draft an O line, along with WRs.

Maybe I can get back to being behind McDermot again, but I doubt it.

 

 

 

Great post. As far as I'm concerned we have Josh Allen as our best capital in a long time and if we don't do our damndest to make it work with him then we're shooting ourselves in the foot. It's great this Regime brought a prospect like this but we have the dumbest HC concerning managing/evaluating QB we can ask for. Either he stays hands off or he goes but I certainly don't want to squander what I think we have going for us.

[billsfan89]

I see the McD vs. Jauron comparison and I don't quite see it. McD played uber conservative against the Jets, but he generally has shown to be much more aggressive than Jauron was in both game management and in scheme. McD's defense is much more attacking and aggressive in general. McD has also made more aggressive decisions too. So I don't see why these comparisons get brought up more and more. 

[Ned Kelly]

Beane is Joe's  medulla oblongata

[teef]

10 hours ago, Jpsredemption said:

He's entitled to his opinion..just because it's not popular does not mean you and the Bills defense attorneys should gang up and run people off the board for dissenting opinions.

 

Besides not every poster is as resilient as I am.

 

10 hours ago, Joeziehmer said:

The moderators wait and give far to much leeway for some members.  It’s a little uncomfortable having them question whether or not I’m an immigrant or if I understand English comprehension.  Understanding that they are using corporate methodologies of Nixon-era practices with rats that I’m a little bit more acclimated to given my former professional background.  I know they want profanity or an excuse to get others tossed and moderators don’t want to see the gravy train of web hosting sponsorship ended.  

i love you two.