Why I gave up on the process

[formerlyofCtown]

38 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

 

OP expresses doubt about a rebuild that, in year 2, is 4-8 and predictably gets flamed. While I wouldn't elevate Frazier to interim anything at this point, it's clear something is amiss. 

 

I know that talking strategy is an exercise in futility, but it's hard to trust "the process" when you can demonstrate the following events from the past off-season forward:

 

1. The decision to start Peterman was horrible at the time he was made the starter. They knew he lacked arm strength to make some of the throws he'd need to.

2. Their plan at QB was then foiled when Peterman bombed, leaving Allen as the only QB left on the roster and needing to start. They never signed a vet until week 5...4 weeks after the Baltimore debacle.  

3. They acquired Benjamin and knew his knee wasn't good, further exacerbated by the hit he took at Los Angeles last year.  Now he's gone. 

4. They allowed other receivers out the door and didn't replace them with experienced types.  And now we hear they're focusing on speed guys? Where was that in the off-season?

5. They started the season with 3 RBs on the roster (McCoy, Ivory, and Taiwan Jones) who were 29 or older.  And Marcus Murphy isn't a 3 down back. 

6. Sure, they planned on Incognito and Wood, but both were aging vets. They had little to address those issues, but their OL UFA signings have been extremely weak.

7. Yet, they've spent big money on a defense (Star, Murphy, V. Davis, Poyer) which, despite being good against the pass, still doesn't win enough games on it's own with that offense.  

 

People place their trust in the team because, well, it's the team and to some criticism means you're anti-fan. No, it's not. It just means the fan is objective when the record is what it is. Here's to hoping Allen continues to improve, they build a NFL caliber offense, and stop going down the path of building up defense in an offensive driven league. I'm interested to see how they do it, but nothing less than a playoff appearance is acceptable in 2019. 

 

 

How about a maximum?

They took the players that were available and I see no big spending really only wise spending.  How were they to know that theVet they wanted to be a teacher in the secondary would retire in the middle of a game.

[John from Riverside]

40 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

 

OP expresses doubt about a rebuild that, in year 2, is 4-8 and predictably gets flamed. While I wouldn't elevate Frazier to interim anything at this point, it's clear something is amiss. 

 

I know that talking strategy is an exercise in futility, but it's hard to trust "the process" when you can demonstrate the following events from the past off-season forward:

 

1. The decision to start Peterman was horrible at the time he was made the starter. They knew he lacked arm strength to make some of the throws he'd need to.

2. Their plan at QB was then foiled when Peterman bombed, leaving Allen as the only QB left on the roster and needing to start. They never signed a vet until week 5...4 weeks after the Baltimore debacle.  

3. They acquired Benjamin and knew his knee wasn't good, further exacerbated by the hit he took at Los Angeles last year.  Now he's gone. 

4. They allowed other receivers out the door and didn't replace them with experienced types.  And now we hear they're focusing on speed guys? Where was that in the off-season?

5. They started the season with 3 RBs on the roster (McCoy, Ivory, and Taiwan Jones) who were 29 or older.  And Marcus Murphy isn't a 3 down back. 

6. Sure, they planned on Incognito and Wood, but both were aging vets. They had little to address those issues, but their OL UFA signings have been extremely weak.

7. Yet, they've spent big money on a defense (Star, Murphy, V. Davis, Poyer) which, despite being good against the pass, still doesn't win enough games on it's own with that offense.  

 

People place their trust in the team because, well, it's the team and to some criticism means you're anti-fan. No, it's not. It just means the fan is objective when the record is what it is. Here's to hoping Allen continues to improve, they build a NFL caliber offense, and stop going down the path of building up defense in an offensive driven league. I'm interested to see how they do it, but nothing less than a playoff appearance is acceptable in 2019. 

 

 

How about a maximum?

They place their trust because they made the playoffs in in their first year with the team in over 17 years......its pretty simple

 

They were rebiulding that year...the fact of the matter is this team needed to be torn up from top to bottom......a real NFL qb put in  place.....yada yada yada and alll those things take time.

38 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said:

No there doesnt.  You have freedom of choice you can click or not click.

This buffoon has been putting the same statement (the EXACT same statement) in threads for the past 3 days....now he decides to start a thread and posts the exact same thing

 

He is trolling.....

[MJS]

It doesn't really matter if you or any other fan buys into the process. What are you going to do?

 

It only matters if the Pegulas buy in. Something tells me that they do.

[formerlyofCtown]

5 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

They place their trust because they made the playoffs in in their first year with the team in over 17 years......its pretty simple

 

They were rebiulding that year...the fact of the matter is this team needed to be torn up from top to bottom......a real NFL qb put in  place.....yada yada yada and alll those things take time.

This buffoon has been putting the same statement (the EXACT same statement) in threads for the past 3 days....now he decides to start a thread and posts the exact same thing

 

He is trolling.....

These actually end up being some of the funnest threads in reality.

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, formerlyofCtown said:

These actually end up being some of the funnest threads in reality.

I realize this.....he is just spamming the board is all.

 

Fair enough.....carry on

[LABILLBACKER]

3 hours ago, Joeziehmer said:

Hey at least it’s good to know you guys worship and follow Peterman blindly.  Is that part of that die hard fandom which makes it okay to suck?  It was indefensible to keep Nate Peterman and yet you folks defend it to the bloody end. 

Just stop. Big deal he hung on to Peterman a couple games too long. So what, he finally blew him out as he correctly did to Holmes & Benjasuck. Clay will probably be let go after the season. No not every decision he makes is perfect but he is trimming the fat. He had the foresight to bring Foster back who's playing much better. Did I mention we have a top 2 defense. So Alzheimers let's just fire McD and sign Greggy or  some other retread. Would it really kill the Bills fanbase to allow McB 4 years before we dust off our pitchforks & torches.....

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

OP, are you really that lonely that you have to keep creating theses   threads?

 

 

 

[PrimeTime101]

4 hours ago, Joeziehmer said:

https://wgr550.radio.com/articles/opinion/what-was-i-thinking

 

The blowout losses were the hardest things to take.  And, Sean was more and more out Coached by guys we had passed on.  So, we got blown out by Joe Flacco, Aaron Rodgers, Phillip Rivers, and Andrew Luck.  What stings most was the Chargers loss and the Colts loss.  As we passed on Lynn for head coach and Reich as an offensive coordinator (before his offensive Super Bowl mastery) when folks said he was lucky to have Rivers. Instead of finding Anderson or Barkley earlier Sean extended his nepotism and stubbornness as unwillingness in parting ways with Nate Peterman and still kept him against Chicago.  I see McDermott as a translation Coach and Beane will do what is necessary to save his own neck to that end cutting Peterman; after Sean gave him a vote of confidence.  Sean brought in Beane but it means that McDermott is not Beane’s first choice for a Coach.  If it means after the season jettisoning Sean to have Frazier as an interim I’m set with that.  Given how Leslie was hamstrung in Minnesota with Christian Ponder (who) and having Josh Allen to really develop could see it working.  The defense was tired and the Coach refused to move on from KB or elevate guys like Foster which he was forced too; anyone else thinking that Beane is looking for “his guy” to take over as Coach?  

this troll thread should be shut down

[Bing Bong]

1 hour ago, formerlyofCtown said:

No there doesnt.  You have freedom of choice you can click or not click.

And not bump it voicing your displeasure. The thread will die by virtue of being ignored if I don't constantly see it bumped to the top because people keep chiming in to remove lmao.

[John from Riverside]

6 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

OP, are you really that lonely that you have to keep creating theses   threads?

 

 

 

OK I had to laugh at this!

[Bing Bong]

5 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

this troll thread should be shut down

Then don't bump it! I don't want it at the top of my feed either so I check what's going on and it's you bumping it back up to the top because you want it to go away. Simple solution haha

[george c]

99% of negative fans don’t understand what it takes to build a culture, or how valuable team climate is. It starts with playing  for one another, and becoming accountable to your teammates and family.   I am 100% behind what McBean is doing, and this is a process that can’t be done overnight or in two seasons on a talentless team.  They’re  picking through the roster and finding the good players, while dumping dead weight. Attitude will change and so will the drive to win. Next years draft will start the repair, and 91 million to spend will help fix the O line in a hurry. 

[FearLess Price]

Lol all trolling aside. I am very intruigued by gugnys superbowl food ppv.

 

I stilk hsvent grown up yet so im stilk a suber bowl party crasher and life of party never the host tho.

[Warcodered]

4 hours ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

OP, this is the most intellectually vacant thread that you've posted since yesterday, and has so little grasp on reality at OBD, that how can it be anything other than a troll train careening off the tracks? All aboooooooaaaarrrrrdddd!!

I don't know if his thread is intellectually vacant, I've learned a lot about wing sauce.

[NoHuddleKelly12]

23 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

And not bump it voicing your displeasure. The thread will die by virtue of being ignored if I don't constantly see it bumped to the top because people keep chiming in to remove lmao.

Hey, you’re not helping (and I realize I’m not either) ?

[Bing Bong]

15 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

Hey, you’re not helping (and I realize I’m not either) ?

Well I ain't complaining to take it down either lol. Just a minor nuisance being at the top of the feed.

[SDS]

2 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

There really needs to be a minimum post count to create threads.............

 

Oh yeah? What would be a good number? 100?

[John from Riverside]

Just now, SDS said:

 

Oh yeah? What would be a good number? 100?

SDS thanks for asking

 

Yes 100 would be great!  Give a new member a chance to get a feel for the board.

[Warcodered]

1 minute ago, John from Riverside said:

SDS thanks for asking

 

Yes 100 would be great!  Give a new member a chance to get a feel for the board.

That wouldn't of stopped this thread.

[SDS]

1 minute ago, John from Riverside said:

SDS thanks for asking

 

Yes 100 would be great!  Give a new member a chance to get a feel for the board.

 

The OP has 115. 

 

Like fish in a barrel...

[boyst]

15 minutes ago, SDS said:

 

Oh yeah? What would be a good number? 100?

30,125 is my recommendation.

[NoHuddleKelly12]

15 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

SDS thanks for asking

 

Yes 100 would be great!  Give a new member a chance to get a feel for the board.

Qualifier using the Community Rep rating instead might be a better choice?

[John from Riverside]

Just now, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

Qualifier using the Community Rep rating instead might be a better choice?

That would work as well.....I just dont want to disqualify ppl because their posts are not liked.

 

Everyone has a right to their opinion.....some ppl continue to do nothing but state that opinion over and over and over

17 minutes ago, SDS said:

 

The OP has 115. 

 

Like fish in a barrel...

So he does

 

3 days ago he had 7

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

29 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

SDS thanks for asking

 

Yes 100 would be great!  Give a new member a chance to get a feel for the board.

OP has had nearly 4 years to get a "feel".

 

post count will not change a trolls objective. 

Edited December 5, 2018 by DaBillsFanSince1973

[87168]

27 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

That wouldn't of stopped this thread.

i think it would have stopped this thread. 

13 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

Qualifier using the Community Rep rating instead might be a better choice?

I feel that's too subjective. rep falls under popularity of a post/poster

 

I think a simple post count would suffice. honestly, 50-100 is usually what you'll see on some forums

[Warcodered]

15 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

Qualifier using the Community Rep rating instead might be a better choice?

How does that work exactly is it a plus 1 for any reaction or is it specific ones because sometimes the reactions aren't positive.

[nedboy7]

What a sensitive bunch.  My god. 

[ColoradoBills]

2 hours ago, prissythecat said:

 

I remember seeing the profile create year as 2015.   So hes been around lying dormant.   Maybe some awakening event happened?

 

He joined just before the Bills v Miami game in 2015.

He resurrected after Sundays Miami game.

He praised Tannehill as one of the "elite" QBs.

 

You make the call.

[NoHuddleKelly12]

7 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

How does that work exactly is it a plus 1 for any reaction or is it specific ones because sometimes the reactions aren't positive.

Good question, not sure if there’s a best or right answer honestly. 

[Bing Bong]

33 minutes ago, Boyst62 said:

30,125 is my recommendation.

the people with a giant number of posts don't start threads lol. This place would be deeeaaaaaad. The 30k+ group prefers to crap on 80% threads as inferior before they settle down and start having a conversation eventually.

46 minutes ago, SDS said:

 

The OP has 115. 

 

Like fish in a barrel...

If you're seriously taking suggestions I'm perfectly fine the way it is. A lot of threads are started, for the most part by people with low post counts / rep points, and lurkers with 5 or so posts can make great threads with a topic they feel compelled to bring up that's a fresh perspective rather than same-old same-old type threads (Josh Allen will be MVP / Josh Allen will be best Bills QB ever!).

[Warcodered]

3 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

the people with a giant number of posts don't start threads lol. This place would be deeeaaaaaad. The 30k+ group prefers to crap on 80% threads as inferior before they settle down and start having a conversation eventually.

I don't now about that maybe they post fewer hot takes but I'm not sure about that at all. There is a group of them that post threads for all the news happening to the team and around the league though.

[Bing Bong]

Just now, Warcodered said:

I don't now about that maybe they post fewer hot takes but I'm not sure about that at all. There is a group of them that post threads for all the news happening to the team and around the league though.

Well CBBlitz for sure. I love his work (he has to get paid by some media outlet right??) He's working full time on this board and I certainly love that. Probably get 90% of my football news from him and a few others.

[John from Riverside]

12 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

Well CBBlitz for sure. I love his work (he has to get paid by some media outlet right??) He's working full time on this board and I certainly love that. Probably get 90% of my football news from him and a few others.

Corner does a great job at that and I always look for his threads

 

I honestly dont have time to start new threads or there is something that fits what I am thinking at the moment (or disagreeing with) already started so I climb into those.

 

 

[Domdab99]

I'm astounded by how many posters on here don't know the first thing about football. The OP of this thread is obviously is at the top of that list.

Edited December 5, 2018 by Domdab99

[Joeziehmer]

1 hour ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

OP has had nearly 4 years to get a "feel".

 

post count will not change a trolls objective. 

A lot can happen in four years; one’s older brother can drop dead of a widow maker.  And, in the mean time one can forget he had an account here.  Life happens and my nine month old left you guys a fresh present this morning; who pays shipping and handling?  I’ll mail it to you if you would like.  

[Phil The Thrill]

7 hours ago, Joeziehmer said:

https://wgr550.radio.com/articles/opinion/what-was-i-thinking

 

The blowout losses were the hardest things to take.  And, Sean was more and more out Coached by guys we had passed on.  So, we got blown out by Joe Flacco, Aaron Rodgers, Phillip Rivers, and Andrew Luck.  What stings most was the Chargers loss and the Colts loss.  As we passed on Lynn for head coach and Reich as an offensive coordinator (before his offensive Super Bowl mastery) when folks said he was lucky to have Rivers. Instead of finding Anderson or Barkley earlier Sean extended his nepotism and stubbornness as unwillingness in parting ways with Nate Peterman and still kept him against Chicago.  I see McDermott as a translation Coach and Beane will do what is necessary to save his own neck to that end cutting Peterman; after Sean gave him a vote of confidence.  Sean brought in Beane but it means that McDermott is not Beane’s first choice for a Coach.  If it means after the season jettisoning Sean to have Frazier as an interim I’m set with that.  Given how Leslie was hamstrung in Minnesota with Christian Ponder (who) and having Josh Allen to really develop could see it working.  The defense was tired and the Coach refused to move on from KB or elevate guys like Foster which he was forced too; anyone else thinking that Beane is looking for “his guy” to take over as Coach?  

 

Garbage take

[John from Riverside]

13 minutes ago, Joeziehmer said:

A lot can happen in four years; one’s older brother can drop dead of a widow maker.  And, in the mean time one can forget he had an account here.  Life happens and my nine month old left you guys a fresh present this morning; who pays shipping and handling?  I’ll mail it to you if you would like.  

You have a 9 month old?

 

I figured you to be like 12

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

14 minutes ago, Joeziehmer said:

A lot can happen in four years; one’s older brother can drop dead of a widow maker.  And, in the mean time one can forget he had an account here.  Life happens and my nine month old left you guys a fresh present this morning; who pays shipping and handling?  I’ll mail it to you if you would like.  

 

is this supposed to change things regarding your threads/takes?

 

 

because it doesn't.

[Sweats]

Oh mykidsdad......

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

2 hours ago, SDS said:

 

Oh yeah? What would be a good number? 100?

30000