Allen now 3-2 in games he started & finished with arguably the worse supporting cast in nfl

[Luka]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo30 said:

Why do people think completion percentage equals accuracy?  

 

Because most fans have no idea what they are watching and are so drunk they can only focus on the negative. Maybe if they watched other football teams they would see every QB makes bad passes. I watched Brees throw a couple bad passes against the Falcons. Brady throws a duck or two a game. The only thing Allen is currently lacking is consistency and that just comes with reps.

Just now, Steptide said:

I don't think anyone's pissed. People just want better than 8 completed passes.

 

If it was on 30 attempts you might have a gripe.

[The Now Moment]

Just now, Luka said:

 

Because most fans have no idea what they are watching and are so drunk they can only focus on the negative. Maybe if they watched other football teams they would see every QB makes bad passes. I watched Brees throw a couple bad passes against the Falcons. Brady throws a duck or two a game. The only thing Allen is currently lacking is consistency and that just comes with reps.

That sums it up well.  The stats conversation drives me nuts.  Hoping he stays healthy down the stretch.  Would love for him to end the season with a winning record, maybe 4-2?  High hopes but they are a different offense with him in there.  Weapons have appeared lately in Foster and Mckenzie. 

[VW82]

9 minutes ago, Buffalo30 said:

Why do people think completion percentage equals accuracy?  

 

It's a pretty good indicator. Today Josh was under pressure a lot (as usual) so there were some throwaways that were actually good plays on his part. There were also several bad throws where he had time and just missed guys, particularly in the second half (like the one hoppers to Zay and Deonte). He made lots of plays with his legs and deserved the win but accuracy and inconsistency is clearly still an issue. 

Edited November 26, 2018 by VW82

[Johnnycage46]

5 minutes ago, Steptide said:

I don't think anyone's pissed. People just want better than 8 completed passes.

8 was enough...

[HappyDays]

1 minute ago, Steptide said:

I don't think anyone's pissed. People just want better than 8 completed passes.

 

There's a few reasons he only had 8 completions today that have nothing to do with his skill as a passer.

 

1) We were committed to the run game. Not a surprise considering we have a rookie QB and were facing a tough defense with a poor offense.

2) Penalties and drops hurt us.

3) He averaged 20 yards per completion and was generally throwing downfield a lot. When you're throwing down the field that often not only are they lower percentage throws, but the completions shorten the drive which in turn leads to less completions. 8 completions for 160 yards vs 16 completions for 160 yards. The result is the same.

4) Allen was running the ball well. I argued this all the time while Tyrod was here, a run for 1st down counts exactly the same as a pass for 1st down. The endzone doesn't care how you get in.

[The Now Moment]

2 minutes ago, VW82 said:

 

It's a pretty good indicator. Today Josh was under pressure a lot (as usual) so there were some throwaways that were actually good plays on his part. There were also several bad throws where he had time and just missed guys, particularly in the second half (like the one hoppers to Zay and Deonte). He made lots of plays with his legs and deserved the win but accuracy and inconsistency is clearly still an issue. 

I only saw maybe two bad throws.  Other incompletions were not due to his inaccuracy.  

[Albany,n.y.]

3 hours ago, Maine-iac said:

Let's be clear.  He was 8 of 19 for 160 yards.  He basicaly was Lamar Jackson minus the turnovers.  I am trying to be positive.  I think he's making positive plays and limiting turnovers but you kool aid drinking yahoo's are a couple bubbles off plumb if you think he's playing like a "franchise" QB.

Great way to watch a game, throw out his stats without the context of video.  When I watched the game I saw a QB whose play doesn't match his stats.  If they credited his passes that were called back he may have satisfied you stat heads better,

 

In all honesty, your post tells me you either didn't watch the game or you don't know s##t about the NFL. 

[Maine-iac]

 

1 minute ago, Albany,n.y. said:

Great way to watch a game, throw out his stats without the context of video.  When I watched the game I saw a QB whose play doesn't match his stats.  If they credited his passes that were called back he may have satisfied you stat heads better,

 

In all honesty, your post tells me you either didn't watch the game or you don't know s##t about the NFL. 

Way to read one post and jump in.  Got any more hot takes?

[njbuff]

Josh Allen seems in control, but yet presses way too much sometimes.

 

If that makes any sense to anyone.

[Steptide]

8 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

There's a few reasons he only had 8 completions today that have nothing to do with his skill as a passer.

 

1) We were committed to the run game. Not a surprise considering we have a rookie QB and were facing a tough defense with a poor offense.

2) Penalties and drops hurt us.

3) He averaged 20 yards per completion and was generally throwing downfield a lot. When you're throwing down the field that often not only are they lower percentage throws, but the completions shorten the drive which in turn leads to less completions. 8 completions for 160 yards vs 16 completions for 160 yards. The result is the same.

4) Allen was running the ball well. I argued this all the time while Tyrod was here, a run for 1st down counts exactly the same as a pass for 1st down. The endzone doesn't care how you get in.

I agree the penaltys hurt. I just hope in the future we see more passing and less running 

[OrediggerPoke]

For those that still haven’t figured it out, stats are for losers! For those that like winners, it’s pretty simple...Allen competes and wins games!

 

 

[HappyDays]

5 minutes ago, Steptide said:

I agree the penaltys hurt. I just hope in the future we see more passing and less running 

 

I'm in the minority on this but I don't care if my QB runs a lot as long he is productive doing it. I've always felt a mobile QB is the best possible piece for an offense to have. It's incredibly difficult to defend against someone like Allen who can burn you up the middle on runs, but also chuck the ball way downfield if you try to stack the box. If you leave a LB to spy on him you leave the door open for slants and crossers. Lamar Jackson has led the Ravens to an average of 29 points per game in his 2 starts. He's doing it mostly by running. Maybe that won't be sustainable for long but it is effective.

[CincyBillsFan]

3 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:

Yeah, he made some good throws and that's encouraging, but you guys are overreacting.  Josh has a long way to go.

 

Both things can be true.  Allen does have a long way to go but IMO we're not overreacting here.  This was a potentially tough comeback game for Allen.  A 6 week hiatus and playing a top 5 defense.  There was plenty of reasons to believe that he would struggle today.  Instead he had command of his game and the offense.  IMO once they add some more weapons on offense you'll see Allen start to put up those gaudy numbers that gets everyone excited.

 

The other thing about this kid is he truly doesn't give a rats fanny about the stats.  He is about one thing and one thing only - winning football games.  He has an infectious attitude that resembles that of Baker Mayfield.  This is part of that mysterious IT factor that we all saw today but doesn't show up in the stats except for wins & losses. 

8 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I'm in the minority on this but I don't care if my QB runs a lot as long he is productive doing it. I've always felt a mobile QB is the best possible piece for an offense to have. It's incredibly difficult to defend against someone like Allen who can burn you up the middle on runs, but also chuck the ball way downfield if you try to stack the box. If you leave a LB to spy on him you leave the door open for slants and crossers. Lamar Jackson has led the Ravens to an average of 29 points per game in his 2 starts. He's doing it mostly by running. Maybe that won't be sustainable for long but it is effective.

 

I agree 100%.  IMO Allen's game is beginning to resemble Cam Newton's and that's a good thing.  I would love to see more read option plays with McCoy & Allen.  In the college game these types of high-bred QB's have been taking over the game the last few years.  Allen's physical tools are such that surrounded with the right talent the Bills could go from being a bad offense to a potent one in a single season. 

36 minutes ago, Steptide said:

I don't think anyone's pissed. People just want better than 8 completed passes.

 

But how much of that was the flow of the game?  First you had a couple of quality completions lost by penalty.  Then you had a bad drop on what would have been a 35 yard pass completion.  Add in the fact that the Bills D got run all over in the 2nd quarter limiting offensive possessions and once the Bills got the lead they got very conservative and you only get 8 completions.  Until the offense is upgraded this is how the Bills will be operating. 

[PlayoffsPlease]

41 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

Great way to watch a game, throw out his stats without the context of video.  When I watched the game I saw a QB whose play doesn't match his stats.  If they credited his passes that were called back he may have satisfied you stat heads better,

 

In all honesty, your post tells me you either didn't watch the game or you don't know s##t about the NFL. 

it could very well be both, but most likely the second part of the bolded statement

 

[Success]

He did so many good things today. But my favorite was when he went up to every player in offense as the clock ticked down to bang helmets and say good job.

 

He’s just a natural leader.  You can see the rest of the team feed off of his energy.

[Juice_32]

4 hours ago, Skins Malone said:

To that I can only think of the Thompson dropped pass.

 

Which was a beautiful throw. Thompson has to tuck that one away and bring it down. 

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, Steptide said:

I don't think anyone's pissed. People just want better than 8 completed passes.

I gotta disagree with you on that.....there are those that want to see more and those who look to downplay anything they actually see good form Allen because they have been SO VOCAL about him being the wrong pick

 

By the way.....how did Rosen do today?   Because right now Mayfield and Allen look the best to me

[Mat68]

You need to be very nitpicky to want a much better performance vs that defense.  The most athletic defense in the NFL he beat with athleticism.  He made some great plays and willed the offense to victory.  Hopefully, he can build off this next week. 

[VW82]

49 minutes ago, Buffalo30 said:

I only saw maybe two bad throws.  Other incompletions were not due to his inaccuracy.  

 

Here were his bad throws: behind Zay over the middle on the first series; Ramsey pick that was called back before halftime; one hop throw to Foster mid 3rd q; Thompson over the middle to start 4th on 3rd and 7; quick throw one hop to McKenzie next series; wide way left on the 3rd ad 14 out to Thompson.

 

So 6 of 21 throws (including the completions and INT called back). You can argue the reversed INT because Ramsey clearly pushed Foster but he also had inside position on the throw. It wasn't great. Allen made a ton of winning plays today but he still needs to work on his accuracy.    

[John from Riverside]

3 minutes ago, VW82 said:

 

Here were his bad throws: behind Zay over the middle on the first series; Ramsey pick that was called back before halftime; one hop throw to Foster mid 3rd q; Thompson over the middle to start 4th on 3rd and 7; quick throw one hop to McKenzie next series; wide way left on the 3rd ad 14 out to Thompson.

 

So 6 of 21 throws (including the completions and INT called back). You can argue the reversed INT because Ramsey clearly pushed Foster but he also had inside position on the throw. It wasn't great. Allen made a ton of winning plays today but he still needs to work on his accuracy.    

All QBs make these bad throws over the course of a game even the very good ones......just saying.