Cripple Creek Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, H2o said: See the hair? What's the relevance? Does your statement carry more impact with it than without? To me, no, it does not. That makes it unnecessary. Would you just as easily type white woman as opposed to blond? Edited November 22, 2018 by Cripple Creek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 1 minute ago, Cripple Creek said: What's the relevance? Is your statement carry more impact with it than without? To me, no, it does not. That makes it unnecessary; I wonder if possibly it was meant to incite white folk against a black man who would dare touch a white woman. I see where you are going but I honestly don't think that is what H2o meant. I think it was just a descriptive term, I don't think it was intended to carry any insinuation with it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 8 hours ago, eball said: Isn’t there boatloads of evidence out there that “physically” disciplining children has no beneficial effect whatsoever? I'm curious as what this evidence consists of. Did they follow children who were spanked vs. those who weren't to see what kind of adults they grew up to be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 Just now, GunnerBill said: I see where you are going but I honestly don't think that is what H2o meant. I think it was just a descriptive term, I don't think it was intended to carry any insinuation with it. I'll retract because I agree and I'm poor with words...but my guess it that's why the questions arose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 God dang millennials... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 9 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said: I actually dont have a party. Thats why I like Trump the repubs dont like him and the dems dont like him and liberals are to stupid to realise that none of the polotitions liking him shows you he is for the people not the government. If you read all my post you would see that I prefer reinforcement and Im actually educated on the subject. You suffer from so many cognitive distortions it isnt even funny. Youre not trying to understand what my view point is or why I may believe what I believe. Youre to busy trying to argue with a person that is educated on the subject. You dont care what the truth is you just want to be the one thats right. Find the truth and then youll be right. I didnt read anywhere where he said he constantly beats the hell out of his kid. What he did in the past is the past. Let go Mr. Perfect. You spell realize like a Canadian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said: I'm curious as what this evidence consists of. Did they follow children who were spanked vs. those who weren't to see what kind of adults they grew up to be? The general gist of the behavioural research I have seen (which does ask research both the parents and the children) and I have seen one from one of the Scottish Universities (I think it was Strathclyde but I might be wrong) and one from the US - pretty sure that was Michigan - suggests that physically disciplining children can lead to them using aggression and physical responses to difficult situations later in life and found no evidence that suggested it achieved any improved outcomes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 (edited) I’m not a proponent of his methods, but it was certainly a discipline form i was around as a child myself. Eithway How is he in the NFL? 4.2 yards per carry on 171 touches and 6 TDs In 9 games. That’s how. Edited November 22, 2018 by Over 29 years of fanhood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 1 hour ago, RaoulDuke79 said: I'm wearing 2 belts today in case any one of my kids tries to take the last Turkey leg. How willl hou even be able to EAT that Turkey leg with 2 belts on? And who wears belts with sweatpants? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 Just now, GunnerBill said: The general gist of the behavioural research I have seen (which does ask research both the parents and the children) and I have seen one from one of the Scottish Universities (I think it was Strathclyde but I might be wrong) and one from the US - pretty sure that was Michigan - suggests that physically disciplining children can lead to them using aggression and physical responses to difficult situations later in life and found no evidence that suggested it achieved any improved outcomes. OK, thanks......it just seems very complex to me. In some circumstances I would think that aggression and physical responses may be necessary later in life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 (edited) Responses in this thread are pathetic. If somebody wants to physically punish a child and it’s within the law that’s a choice. People that want to start throwing in the “back in my day” “school shootings” “cell phones zombies”. If kids were only beaten more we wouldn’t have these things...... Go to a bar and cry to somebody about the glory days. Maybe you can talk about how well adjusted you are based on your mutual beating stories and how they made you the man you are today. Edited November 22, 2018 by KzooMike 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 12 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: The general gist of the behavioural research I have seen (which does ask research both the parents and the children) and I have seen one from one of the Scottish Universities (I think it was Strathclyde but I might be wrong) and one from the US - pretty sure that was Michigan - suggests that physically disciplining children can lead to them using aggression and physical responses to difficult situations later in life and found no evidence that suggested it achieved any improved outcomes. We don’t punish people for not following the evidence du jour. At least, not in America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 28 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said: What's the relevance? Does your statement carry more impact with it than without? To me, no, it does not. That makes it unnecessary. Would you just as easily type white woman as opposed to blond? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 35 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said: What's the relevance? Does your statement carry more impact with it than without? To me, no, it does not. That makes it unnecessary. Would you just as easily type white woman as opposed to blond? It was in reference to the girl in general. The reason any of you are harping on the fact that I said blonde in the original statement instead of just saying woman is beyond anal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 10 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said: Well appearantly you dont read very well because I said I wonder. I can actually decipher your political party by your behavior. Its a shame you helped re-elect Cuomo. You are also an exstremely unbalanced individual because you started getting upset and formulating your response before you finished reading or you would have seen that I didnt say I used a switch on my kids and you wouldnt infere that i concluded they hadnt been beaten. This thing getting heated is exactly why this content doesnt belong here. I do believe there is such a thing as abuse and I also believe that when possible, reinforcement is a more effective tool. I heard that somewhere. Oh wait, It was when I was taking Psychology in college. Youre probably picking an argument with someone that you shouldnt on the subject. Why did you come to the conclusion that WEO voted for Cuomo? And what is the relevancy if he did or did not? WEO has posted on this board for quite a while. I don't know what his political leanings are but if I had a guess it would be as an independent. It seems to me that he is more non-ideological and less rigid in his thinking than many are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 47 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said: I'm curious as what this evidence consists of. Did they follow children who were spanked vs. those who weren't to see what kind of adults they grew up to be? people love to get their piss all hot by what the media quotes someone as saying. i can't trust 90% of what i see and hear with my own eyeballs in work and home and the subway ride between Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 (edited) This may be the first thread that I’ve ever read all of the posts in. It’s been an interesting discussion. On the topic, I agree with Weo’s point. AP has no business in this league. If you are suspended for drugs and you get busted for drugs again, you get suspended a second time (and more severely). Why would he continue hitting his kid with a belt? Regardless of where you stand on discipline we can all agree that it CAN be interpreted as abuse. At the very least AP is a moron and at worst he’s a criminal. He was already punished for child abuse. Clearly, he didn’t learn a lesson if he still believes that a belt is an acceptable form of discipline. He’s a terrible parent. Edited November 22, 2018 by Kirby Jackson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 24 minutes ago, H2o said: It was in reference to the girl in general. The reason any of you are harping on the fact that I said blonde in the original statement instead of just saying woman is beyond anal. Im fine giving benefit of the doubt but maybe a learning experience? The history of our country protecting white women from young black men isn’t particularly good. Throwing in blonde instead of woman creates connotations that a huge number will read whether you meant them or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 1 minute ago, NoSaint said: Im fine giving benefit of the doubt but maybe a learning experience? The history of our country protecting white women from young black men isn’t particularly good. Throwing in blonde instead of woman creates connotations that a huge number will read whether you meant them or not Yeah but the connotations of “beat bloody” versus “spanked” are Gucci as long as it promotes cyber lynching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 10 hours ago, WhoTom said: False dichotomy. Lack of beating is not the same as spoiling. It's possible, and more effective, to discipline a child without hitting them. I am NOT defending it at all! I’m just saying that depending upon when are where you grew upo, you might have grown up with different models of parenting. My wife and I both experienced “more than words”. Different times. I just literally tapped one of my boys on the arm once, and that was because he almost caused a car accident. But I STILL remember the shocked look on his face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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