MNF Game thread Rams and Chiefs.

[GunnerBill]

7 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

Okay, fair enough. Pitch and catch on critical downs with high stakes is more fun. No argument. 

 

I still contend this game was still really good and fun to watch. And one of the biggest plays of the game ended up being the punt at the end.

 

A game like this won’t be the new NFL. The Chiefs aren’t doing this every week. We just saw two high powered offenses go at it, and we’ll be back to our regular scheduled 13-10 defensive battle next week against the Jags.

 

Ultimately the NFL is at its best when it is a competition between offense and defense. A game where either of those totally dominates is less fun - to me at least. There were some big defensive plays tonight on turnovers but beyond that not much. 

 

The thread last week about when defenses are going to adjust and catch up comes to mind. There is no doubt the innovation in the league at the moment is all on the offensive side of the ball. This is more than just rule changes. It is an inequality of arms in terms of innovation and coaching. 

Edited November 20, 2018 by GunnerBill

[Ol Dirty B]

20 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I have seen multiple. I think the Thursday Night Football just last week was a better game. 

 

It wasn't. McCarthy ruined that game. You're an arsenal fan and a Bills fan so an ineptitude of coaching probably is a hobby of yours to follow. 

[BringBackOrton]

3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Ultimately the NFL is at its best when it is a competition between offense and defense. A game where either of those totally dominates is less fun - to me at least. There were some big defensive plays tonight on turnovers but beyond that not much. 

 

The thread last week about when defenses are going to adjust and catch up comes to mind. There is no doubt the innovation in the league at the moment is all on the offensive side of the ball. This is more than just rule changes. It is an inequality of arms in terms of innovation and coaching. 

There’s a reason BB got away from big fat run stuffing DT’s a few years ago. Unfortunately, he may be the only innovative defensive mind in today’s game.

[Ol Dirty B]

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Ultimately the NFL is at its best when it is a competition between offense and defense. A game where either of those totally dominates is less fun - to me at least. There were some big defensive plays tonight on turnovers but beyond that not much. 

 

The thread last week about when defenses are going to adjust and catch up comes to mind. There is no doubt the innovation in the league at the moment is all on the offensive side of the ball. This is more than just rule changes. It is an inequality of arms in terms of innovation and coaching. 

 

The defenses put up like 21 points combined or close to that. Caused plenty of turnovers... did you watch the game?

[Bing Bong]

11 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said:

 

 

It’s clear the Jags caught lightning in a bottle for a couple games of Bortles last year. 

 

You think we have lament on Mahomes?  They could have drafted Mahomes and any of one Kamara / Dalvin Cook / Kareem Hunt / Joe Mixon last year instead of Fournette / Corey Robinson. That’s tough. 

Ya can't play the "we can have every player we didn't draft game it will drive you insane. But yes.. it sucks we didn't get Mahomeboy I had no idea he was so electric.  Thought he'd suck to be honest. Now he's one of my favorite players .

 

Just enjoy you get to watch such an exciting player. And that he doesn't play for the Patriots lol.

 

Pretty surprised at the Jags. They were killing it in regular season last year too. I guess Bortles is simply inconsistent on a season to season basis.. not even games. Super weird. But the other AFCS teams have better QBs and great defenses would love to see the winner make a run (not the colts)

Edited November 20, 2018 by PetermanThrew5Picks

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Ol Dirty B said:

 

It wasn't. McCarthy ruined that game. You're an arsenal fan and a Bills fan so an ineptitude of coaching probably is a hobby of yours to follow. 

 

McCarthy did make a big error at the end. But I like games that force coaches to make those decisions..

1 minute ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

The defenses put up like 21 points combined or close to that. Caused plenty of turnovers... did you watch the game?

 

Yes. The defenses made big plays (mainly offensive mistakes in truth) but beyond those they hardly stopped anything. 

[bobblehead]

1 hour ago, Blue on Blue said:

Actually, the game sucked.  It had drama because it was close, but watching Madden for 3 3/4 hours gets tiresome indeed.

Yes. This must be millennial football, idk. It’s all completions and interceptions.  This  wasn’t that great to watch 

 

 

Edited November 20, 2018 by bobblehead

[Alphadawg7]

12 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

That is true. Aaron Donald is an absolute beast and a joy to watch. And I think the best player in the league is he or Drew Brees..... there is a gap after those two in my opinion. 

 

Yeah, for me Brees is the MVP of the league right now and Donald is DPOY.  Other people having sensational seasons, but those two are a cut above everyone else right now.

[KellyToTasker]

4 minutes ago, mannc said:

I would pick the Steelers and Pats over KC, especially if KC has to travel.  

I could only stomach another Patriots Super Bowl if they are genuinely blown out and completely embarrassed on the field. Granted, this scenario would be a horrible game, but I would muster a huge smile on my face and thoroughly relish their demise. Pretty much how I felt before Atlanta melt down.    

[Bing Bong]

11 minutes ago, KellyToTasker said:

Saints or Rams will likely take the NFC. Whoever has home field advantage.

 

Until Kansas City puts it together during the playoffs/January, I won't ever be convinced that they're the pick. The AFC is a toss up. 

Yeah that's the offensive juggernaut side with no defense. I think KC still has a better D than Steelers, are better in all facets. Barring another Beli SB defense reemerges and playoff TB12 I got Chiefs over Patriots in a lucky tossup championship game.

 

Still think the AFCS winner will be overlooked given they will be the one balanced team in the AFC playoffs

[Ol Dirty B]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

McCarthy did make a big error at the end. But I like games that force coaches to make those decisions..

 

This game forced that decision as well to an extent. McVay didnt want to give KC the ball back and threw it every play and went 3 and out.

 

The defenses got stops when they needed them. LA to close out the game, KC in the third to get back into it. It had 3 lead changes in the 4th quarter. LA lead by double digits on two or three separate occasions, and eventually trailed after each one.

 

How anyone could not say this is a great game is beyond me. It's probably the best game I've watched in the last 5 years, I'd venture 10 would be possible as well.

2 minutes ago, bobblehead said:

Yes. This must be millennial football, idk. It’s all completions and interceptions.  It’d be great if someone on those teams were a little concerned about not stopping anyone.  

 

I wish I could accurately convey to you how stupid you sound by saying this must be millenial football.

 

You're old and bitter with one foot in the grave, keel over already.

[Alphadawg7]

In case anyone is wondering:  

 

The 5 highest scoring teams in NFL history:  Zero Super Bowl wins.  #1 team, 2013 Broncos led by Manning’s 55 TD passes scored 8 points in the SB while getting blown out by the defensive and ground and pound team of the Seahawks.  

 

Second highest scoring team in NFL history, 2007 Pats (which at time was highest in history) got beat by Giants after scoring just 14 points in SB.

 

Loved watching this game tonight, but playoffs are a different animal and defense matters.

Edited November 20, 2018 by Alphadawg7

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

This game forced that decision as well to an extent. McVay didnt want to give KC the ball back and threw it every play and went 3 and out.

 

The defenses got stops when they needed them. LA to close out the game, KC in the third to get back into it. It had 3 lead changes in the 4th quarter. LA lead by double digits on two or three separate occasions, and eventually trailed after each one.

 

How anyone could not say this is a great game is beyond me. It's probably the best game I've watched in the last 5 years, I'd venture 10 would be possible as well.

 

It isn't even the best game I have watched this week. I get it some people enjoy the high scoring games and just want to see loads of touchdowns. I prefer the games that have a bit more balance. 

 

I didn't really enjoy last year's Superbowl either for the same reason. 

[bobblehead]

4 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

This game forced that decision as well to an extent. McVay didnt want to give KC the ball back and threw it every play and went 3 and out.

 

The defenses got stops when they needed them. LA to close out the game, KC in the third to get back into it. It had 3 lead changes in the 4th quarter. LA lead by double digits on two or three separate occasions, and eventually trailed after each one.

 

How anyone could not say this is a great game is beyond me. It's probably the best game I've watched in the last 5 years, I'd venture 10 would be possible as well.

 

I wish I could accurately convey to you how stupid you sound by saying this must be millenial football.

 

You're old and bitter with one foot in the grave, keel over already.

Ok gotcha 

[Ol Dirty B]

Just now, bobblehead said:

I’m not old 

 

Doesn't change anything I said. And millenial football lol. Your post was stupid. 

[njbuff]

Is it great offense or bad defense?

Edited November 20, 2018 by njbuff

[Ol Dirty B]

Just now, bobblehead said:

Ok gotcha 

 

You took two posts to do this.... You sure you aren't old? 

 

You seem old. Nothing against old people, except when they say stupid things like millenial football. The ***** does that even mean?

[Chuck Wagon]

2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

In case anyone is wondering:  

 

The 5 highest scoring teams in NFL history:  Zero Super Bowl wins.  #1 team, 2013 Broncos led by Manning’s 55 TD passes scored 8 points in the SB while getting blown out by the defensive and ground and pound team of the Seahawks.  

 

Second highest scoring team in NFL history, 2007 Pats (which at time was highest in history) got beat by Giants after scoring just 14 points in SB.

 

Loved watching this game tonight, but playoffs are a different animal and defense matters.

 

 

That’s a misleading stat at best. The highest scoring offenses may not have won THAT particular season, but Peyton won SBs in both Denver and Indy, the Pats certainly have won plenty, the Saints, the Packers, the Greatest Show Rams. The NFL has been slanted towards offense for decades now and the Super Bowl has more often than not been an offensive “who has the ball last wins” for years. 

[Ol Dirty B]

6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

It isn't even the best game I have watched this week. I get it some people enjoy the high scoring games and just want to see loads of touchdowns. I prefer the games that have a bit more balance. 

 

I didn't really enjoy last year's Superbowl either for the same reason. 

 

And the best game of the week was? It wasnt GB Seattle. That game was two garbage teams. 

 

The Pittsburgh Jacksonville game was awful as well.

 

Do you unreasonably hate Alex Smith? Maybe that game would be the best of the weekend for you then.

 

I mean I don't like Alex Smith, but I don't hate him on that level.

Edited November 20, 2018 by Ol Dirty B

[Chuck Wagon]

Just now, Ol Dirty B said:

 

And the best game of the week was? It wasnt GB Seattle. That game was two garbage teams. 

 

The Pittsburgh Jacksonville game was awful as well.

 

Do you unreasonably hate Alex Smith? Maybe that game would be the best of the weekend for you then.

 

I mean I don't like Alex Smith, but I don't like him on that level.

 

 

It’s worthless. Half the fans just get black out drunk for the Bills game and don’t have an accurate view on the league. Showcases like tonight slap them in the face with the fact we aren’t even playing in the same league as the top teams. They cope by claiming it’s ruining football and not entertaining. 

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

And the best game of the week was? It wasnt GB Seattle. That game was two garbage teams. 

 

The Pittsburgh Jacksonville game was awful as well.

 

Do you unreasonably hate Alex Smith? Maybe that game would be the best of the weekend for you then.

 

I mean I don't like Alex Smith, but I don't hate him on that level.

 

Yes I preferred Green Bay - Seattle. 

[BringBackOrton]

6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

It isn't even the best game I have watched this week. I get it some people enjoy the high scoring games and just want to see loads of touchdowns. I prefer the games that have a bit more balance. 

 

I didn't really enjoy last year's Superbowl either for the same reason. 

You can appreciate each game for different reasons. I too enjoy the chess match games, the games where one slip, one mismatch decides the outcome on a high stakes third down. I enjoy the defensive brawls, where each yard is punished accordingly. I enjoy the great defense being thwarted by the unguardable perfect pass.

 

But I also enjoy schematic perfection. I enjoy watched Tyreek Hill motioning twice just to throw the defense off before Kelce is hit on the seam. I enjoy watching Gurley play RB/WR and being unstoppable some days in the right matchup. 

 

All of these things are fun. I don’t know if any of them are as fun if we only see one time of game being played over and over. It’s why there are 32 different teams.

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Chuck Wagon said:

 

 

It’s worthless. Half the fans just get black out drunk for the Bills game and don’t have an accurate view on the league. Showcases like tonight slap them in the face with the fact we aren’t even playing in the same league as the top teams. They cope by claiming it’s ruining football and not entertaining. 

 

I watch pretty much every snap taken most weeks. From Week 11 I have watched 7 games already and will catch up with a couple more during this week. 

 

I don't think that game was ruining football at all. It just wasn't my favourite game. Nor am I clamouring to watch 13-10 games. 

[LABILLBACKER]

Arena football at its finest tonight at the Coliseum. The Saints could beat either team cause at least they have some defense. Take notes McD, time to start building the offense. 

[Bing Bong]

22 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Yeah, for me Brees is the MVP of the league right now and Donald is DPOY.  Other people having sensational seasons, but those two are a cut above everyone else right now.

I got Khalil Mack for the Bears. One player pushed them to the top of the NFCS

[Alphadawg7]

9 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said:

 

 

That’s a misleading stat at best. The highest scoring offenses may not have won THAT particular season, but Peyton won SBs in both Denver and Indy, the Pats certainly have won plenty, the Saints, the Packers, the Greatest Show Rams. The NFL has been slanted towards offense for decades now and the Super Bowl has more often than not been an offensive “who has the ball last wins” for years. 

 

Except you stated opinion not facts.  Facts show 14 of last 20 SBs were won by defensive Head Coaches.  Pats have 2 of the top 4 scoring offenses in NFL history, and lost both Super Bowls those years.  Broncos set new record in 2013 and got blown out by defensive Seahawks.  Broncos Won SB in 2015 with the lowest rated QBs in league that year in Manning and Brock and with Manning having statistically the worst SB by a winning QB in history.  Brincos won because of defense and run game, not because of Manning or a high powered pass attack.  

 

9 times Manning was 1 and done in playoffs in Indy.  Brees has barely sniffed playoffs most years.   GB had one of top 5 scoring offenses in history in 2011 and didn’t even reach SB.  

 

Facts are facts.

[Aussie Joe]

1 minute ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Arena football at its finest tonight at the Coliseum. The Saints could beat either team cause at least they have some defense. Take notes McD, time to start building the offense. 

 

The Rams actually have some decent players on D...

 

Im surprised that they aren’t better..

[Alphadawg7]

5 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

I got Khalil Mack for the Bears. One player pushed them to the top of the NFCS

 

Mack certainly in the running, and honestly would have no problem if he won it as he’s also been sensational.  

 

But I still give it to Donald, he is literally held every play and dominates.  It’s like how Shaq was fouled every play even though it wasn’t always called yet he still dominated.  

 

But I will say certainly a close race between those two

[Bing Bong]

26 minutes ago, bobblehead said:

Yes. This must be millennial football, idk. It’s all completions and interceptions.  This  wasn’t that great to watch 

 

 

That means people aren't dropping picks or dropping balls. Picks get dropped constantly. Defenders forget to look to score when they get it. We saw so many phases of football executed perfectly. Not every part of the game, but these are not perfect teams executing their strengths flawlessly. That's rare in a game and you gotta appreciate their excellence. Of course teams have weaknesses every team does. SB broncos executed defense perfectly and played ugly at QB

[Ol Dirty B]

17 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yes I preferred Green Bay - Seattle. 

 

I'll give you that it was an entertaining game. But at the end of the day, I knew what I was watching. And it was 2 crap teams.

 

This was a game between two great teams.

[Bing Bong]

4 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

I'll give you that it was an entertaining game. But at the end of the day, I knew what I was watching. And it was 2 crap teams.

 

This was a game between two great teams.

Yeah it's not like people didn't make mistakes in spades during that game. We saw mistakes, but we saw execution of the highest level tonight. If people don't like what part of the game was executed perfectly.. than.. whatever. I like watching good football lol.

[Ol Dirty B]

14 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

Yeah it's not like people didn't make mistakes in spades during that game. We saw mistakes, but we saw execution of the highest level tonight. If people don't like what part of the game was executed perfectly.. than.. whatever. I like watching good football lol.

 

Mistakes happened tonight too. But Mahomes had 40+ attempts and was still averaging over 10 ypa. That last pick he had, it was an awful throw, but given how the game went I thought he was connecting deep for sure.

 

They play concepts and designs were amazing. It was just a great game, and the defenses actually contributed to the score being so high.

 

It reminds me of games I used to hear old timers talking about where Kelly threw for a ridiculous amount of yards, and the Bills had a good defense but still gave up points. You all loved it then, now you hate it. 

 

A fanbase that reminisces over the K-gun, but complains about an offense oriented league and wanting more defense. It's really something else. 

 

This team was before its' time in the early 90s. Now we don't want to even go near that style of offense. And we have to have a great defense, and run the ball. And some ass with a southern accent can tell me what winter is like.

Edited November 20, 2018 by Ol Dirty B

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

Mistakes happened tonight too. Hut Mahomes had 40+ attempts and was still averaging over 10 ypa. That last pick he had, it was an awful throw, but given how the game went I thought he was connecting deep for sure.

 

They play concepts and designs were amazing. It was just a great game, and the defenses actually contributed to the score being so high.

 

It reminds me of games I used to hear old timers talking about where Kelly threw for a ridiculous amount of yards, and the Bills had a good defense but still gave up points. You all loved it then, now you hate it. 

 

A fanbase that reminisces over the K-gun, but complains about an offense oriented league and wanting more defense. It's really something else. 

 

This team was before it's time in the early 90s. Now we don't want to even go near that style of offense. And we have to have a great defense, and run the ball. And some ass with a southern accent can tell me what winter is like.

 

My opinion on that game tonight or on the type of games I tend to most enjoy has absolutely nothing to do with the Bills. 

 

I would obviously like the Bills to have an offense like one of those two. But my opinion remains that sport is at its best when there is jeopardy and a balance between attack and defense. I don't love 5-4 soccer games either. 

[Ol Dirty B]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

My opinion on that game tonight or on the type of games I tend to most enjoy has absolutely nothing to do with the Bills. 

 

I would obviously like the Bills to have an offense like one of those two. But my opinion remains that sport is at its best when there is jeopardy and a balance between attack and defense. I don't love 5-4 soccer games either. 

 

I wasn't referring to you in that post, even though you could take it as such. I'm not a fan of 5-4 soccer games either, I mean I could be. If it's Man City vs Liverpool, or Bayern vs Dortmund I think it could be a great game.

 

But I also can be a fan of low scoring games. I just want to see good teams go out and do what they're good at. These are both great offensive teams, and they both played well on that side of the ball for the most part. If this was a 20-17 game with these two teams playing, I think it would have been a disappointment. 

 

They're just two good teams, who run pretty innovative offenses and I enjoyed it. They both went out there and did that.

[JoPar_v2]

Anyone complaining about the way that game went should be launched into the sun. If you’re really the type of person holding on to some sort of “ol’ school footbaw” notion, guess what? The league and the rest of the world has long passed you by.

 

 

[Dan]

To all those who say this game sucked because of no defense... I guess you all hated the "no punt" game between the Bills and 49ers?    

 

Ya know, sometimes you just get a good game between two good teams who's offense continually have to step up make a play because the other's team's defense just did.    I know we haven't seen the Bills do anything like this since the K-Gun, but that doesn't mean that football is supposed to be a play not to lose, punt at the 40, hope you can complete a pass game.   It's what Bills' fans have been conditioned to, but thats just how far behind our team is not how bad their defenses are or anything else.

 

Tonight's game was an amazing game.  You had explosive offenses and great defensive plays lead to a back and forth slug fest with multiple players stepping up and making great plays when they absolutely had to.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

The easy scores took some of the enjoyment out of the game, need to earn those points.

 

the game was fun but I don't want the NFL to turn into the arena league.

 

 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

The last 5 minutes was great. Hill really screwed up by returning the ball with a minute to go, could have started on the 25instead of the 12. Great effort overall but would like more defence and running.

 

when we get all the pieces on defense we will be able really slow teams like this down.

 

 

[Doc Brown]

57 minutes ago, Dan said:

To all those who say this game sucked because of no defense... I guess you all hated the "no punt" game between the Bills and 49ers?    

 

Ya know, sometimes you just get a good game between two good teams who's offense continually have to step up make a play because the other's team's defense just did.    I know we haven't seen the Bills do anything like this since the K-Gun, but that doesn't mean that football is supposed to be a play not to lose, punt at the 40, hope you can complete a pass game.   It's what Bills' fans have been conditioned to, but thats just how far behind our team is not how bad their defenses are or anything else.

 

Tonight's game was an amazing game.  You had explosive offenses and great defensive plays lead to a back and forth slug fest with multiple players stepping up and making great plays when they absolutely had to.

That game was more enjoyable because it was in an era when the rules weren't so favorable to the offense and the defense can actually hit people.  Football is just a little less enjoyable now than it was 30 years ago and I realize player safety is a major reason.  Still my favorite sport to watch and I'm hoping defensive schemes can catch up to these increasingly creative offensive schemes.   

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

48 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

That game was more enjoyable because it was in an era when the rules weren't so favorable to the offense and the defense can actually hit people.  Football is just a little less enjoyable now than it was 30 years ago and I realize player safety is a major reason.  Still my favorite sport to watch and I'm hoping defensive schemes can catch up to these increasingly creative offensive schemes.   

 

This guy gets it