Rebel101 Posted November 14, 2018 Author Share Posted November 14, 2018 2 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Did you pass rebel 101? I thought the first week of curriculum was never to worry about anything, much less worry about if you need to worry about something.... right? Lol yeah you are allowed to be concerned when it comes to football only though. But seriously what do you think. I mean I know the first year of a rookie QB is filled with ups and downs. But growth is the main thing you would like to see if growth. So what if he shows none? I mean obviously they aren’t drafting another QB yet. But do you think they worry and do you think us as fans should worry? Or no matter what we shouldn’t worry till end of next year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 14 minutes ago, Ayjent said: That depends on how it goes. He's had plenty of "learning experiences" already. If he stinks it up he really might need to ride the pine for a little while. It would be nice to see him have a game where he flashes a lot of consistent good play, because those have been few and far between. Now that another QB has come in to show that it is possible, I think it mounts some extra pressure on the rookie to perform Yep. No more excuses for the rook. Time to look like a competent NFL QB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billykay Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 1 hour ago, st pete gogolak said: They're going through something similar in Tampa Bay. Winston was suspended, Fitzpatrick starts the season like a house on fire, cools off, Winston comes back, looks ok for a couple of games, has a horrid game at Cincinnati, gets benched, Fitz looks good to finish that game, cools down again, yet Fitz is announced as starter for this week's game. Unless you're 100% convinced that you're done with a guy you drafted #1 overall a couple of years ago, it seems foolish to start a 35 year old journeyman who's a free agent at the end of the year. Same thing here. Bills aren't going anywhere this year. Get Allen as much game time as possible. Winston is done in TB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 (edited) I don’t get the concept that somehow Allen can’t progress while sitting. I prefer he plays of course. But that’s why they sit rookie QBs. So they can learn! If he shows no improvement rest of the year we are in trouble. Edited November 14, 2018 by nedboy7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miracle Bills Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 The Bills seem intent on rushing quarterbacks along. Allen has raw talent but it needs to develop. Barkley should play and Allen should observe. Barkley is the first real quarterback that Allen can learn from. Anderson does not really serve a purpose on this team any longer. Why do they want Allen to learn from a guy who never really could play quarterback effectively in the league? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 6 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: Yep. No more excuses for the rook. Time to look like a competent NFL QB. Ridiculous. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, Rebel101 said: Lol yeah you are allowed to be concerned when it comes to football only though. But seriously what do you think. I mean I know the first year of a rookie QB is filled with ups and downs. But growth is the main thing you would like to see if growth. So what if he shows none? I mean obviously they aren’t drafting another QB yet. But do you think they worry and do you think us as fans should worry? Or no matter what we shouldn’t worry till end of next year You play Josh. His play dictates 2019 draft and free agency moves. You don’t bench him this season unless you’ve decided he’s not gonna be the guy. Until proven otherwise This front office evaluates QBs in workouts, preseason, camp or practice very poorly. If they walk a distaster under center next season the emotional bank account is empty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 9 minutes ago, teef said: i do appreciate jrober, but he has the amazing ability to make every thread at least 15% more depression. it's kind of this thing. Plus he has managed to make the whole six degrees of separation concept much more efficient by finding a way, within two posts, to turn any topic into "Josh Allen sucks." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 36 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Name a worse starting QB this year. Allen is 32nd in QB Rating, 32nd in Total QBR, 32nd in pass yards per game and the Bills have the worst scoring offense in the league. My comprehensive list includes: Blaine Gabbert Sam Bradford Derek Anderson Josh McCown Nathan Peterman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: My comprehensive list includes: Blaine Gabbert Sam Bradford Derek Anderson Josh McCown Nathan Peterman I think it could be argued that darnold was well on his way to making that list.... or there already. its at least up for debate Edited November 14, 2018 by Stank_Nasty 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Just now, Stank_Nasty said: I think it could be argued that darnold was well on his way to making that list.... or there already. Definitely there. And I'd also include Rosen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Just now, joesixpack said: Ridiculous. It's ridiculous to expect the quarterback we drafted 7th overall to look "competent?" Talk about low expectations. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, Gugny said: Definitely there. And I'd also include Rosen. right. same. verdicts out on all of them. but I would say they havnt been any better with arguably more support around them. ESPECIALLY rosen. Edited November 14, 2018 by Stank_Nasty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Just now, LSHMEAB said: It's ridiculous to expect the quarterback we drafted 7th overall to look "competent?" Talk about low expectations. How have ALL the other rookies looked? Competent is NOT the word you'd use to describe them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said: I think it could be argued that darnold was well on his way to making that list.... or there already. its at least up for debate Maybe. Darnold's ahead by a solid 11 points in my grading system though. Rosen's ahead by 0.3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PittsforDave Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: It's ridiculous to expect the quarterback we drafted 7th overall to look "competent?" Talk about low expectations. Thank You!! The ? just don’t want to hear it. Allen needs to improve tremendously and quick. Edited November 14, 2018 by PittsforDave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Stank_Nasty said: right. same. verdicts out on all of them. but I would say they havnt been any better with arguably more support around them. ESPECIALLY rosen. Agreed. And here's the rub ... they're ALL ***** ROOKIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It blows me away how many people think they're supposed to be superstars as soon as they step onto the field. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, Gugny said: Agreed. And here's the rub ... they're ALL ***** ROOKIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It blows me away how many people think they're supposed to be superstars as soon as they step onto the field. don't be a sheep This place, man. This place. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, PittsforDave said: Thank You!! The ? just doesn’t want to hear it. Allen needs to improve tremendously and quick. Right. He has started and finished four games. I say if he's not throwing for 400 yards and 6 touchdowns a game by game six, he should be cut... Yes....sarcasm.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PittsforDave Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Just now, billsfan1959 said: Right. He has started and finished four games. I say if he's not throwing for 400 yards and 6 touchdowns a game by game six, he should be cut... Yes....sarcasm.... Obviously sarcasm. @jrober38 please enlighten this young man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Just now, PittsforDave said: Obviously sarcasm. @jrober38 please enlighten this young man. You're asking soccer guy to enlighten people on QB play? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: Right. He has started and finished four games. I say if he's not throwing for 400 yards and 6 touchdowns a game by game six, he should be cut... Yes....sarcasm.... it's shocking how people are approaching this. i've now read that if you think allen still needs time to develop, you're babying him. yup...that's now a thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 1 minute ago, teef said: it's shocking how people are approaching this. i've now read that if you think allen still needs time to develop, you're babying him. yup...that's now a thing. The old me would quip about there being no shortage of stupid people with even more stupid opinions about. But I'm trying not to be like that any more. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbarg12 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 (edited) Listened to Howard and Jeremy this morning, they brought up an interesting point that Allen may be the only rookie from 2018 draft that will go into his second year with the same OC. Depending on how things play out in Baltimore, but Arizona has already replaced their OC, Browns fired HC and OC, leaving DaBoll as continuity for Allen and the offense next year. Edited November 14, 2018 by tbarg12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 7 minutes ago, Gugny said: Agreed. And here's the rub ... they're ALL ***** ROOKIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It blows me away how many people think they're supposed to be superstars as soon as they step onto the field. You are aware of the distinction between competent and elite, correct? The rookie QB's than pan out generally look "competent." People act like the other rookie QB's struggles portends something good for Allen. It doesn't. It's entirely possible they all suck. I don't expect Allen to light up the stat sheet or the score board. I do expect him to take chances and look the part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, teef said: it's shocking how people are approaching this. i've now read that if you think allen still needs time to develop, you're babying him. yup...that's now a thing. Polaroids develop in like 1 minute. Why can't Josh Allen? Is he really not as good as a polaroid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 5 minutes ago, PittsforDave said: Obviously sarcasm. @jrober38 please enlighten this young man. Can't you do it yourself? BTW, isn't he the one that swore up and down that Jamies Winston was going to be the next Tom Brady? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffaloflash Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 3 hours ago, ngbills said: This is no longer about this year. You play Allen to get him experience so the game slows down next year. Maybe for you!,It's about this year for a lot of fans. We want the QB that is more likely to run the table then observing a work in progress! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: Polaroids develop in like 1 minute. Why can't Josh Allen? Is he really not as good as a polaroid? well, he was drafted 7th, so i hope he's as good as a polaroid! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miracle Bills Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, Buffaloflash said: Maybe for you!,It's about this year for a lot of fans. We want the QB that is more likely to run the table then observing a work in progress! Totally agree. Let's play the guy who gives us the best chance to win. Barkley is that guy. People forget we have other players like young receivers who need to develop too. Give them a quarterback that can read defenses and gets the ball out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 If he’s healthy, you play Allen. Playing Barkley is just spinning wheels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcampbell104 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 i get a kick out of people who think you are going to get a win like that out of barkley every week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 15 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: You are aware of the distinction between competent and elite, correct? The rookie QB's than pan out generally look "competent." People act like the other rookie QB's struggles portends something good for Allen. It doesn't. It's entirely possible they all suck. I don't expect Allen to light up the stat sheet or the score board. I do expect him to take chances and look the part. However, as you have previously stated, you come from the perspective that Josh Allen is already bust. So, your perception of competence, when it comes to Allen, is probably different than those of us that take a more, shall we say, objective approach. 1 minute ago, tcampbell104 said: i get a kick out of people who think you are going to get a win like that out of barkley every week Particularly if you look at his history 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McNubbins Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Unless you can guarantee Barkley gets us to the playoffs this year, the future of the franchise gains nothing from playing him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: However, as you have previously stated, you come from the perspective that Josh Allen is already bust. So, your perception of competence, when it comes to Allen, is probably different than those of us that take a more, shall we say, objective approach. I can walk and chew gum at the same time. I don't cling to my opinions if they're disproven by evidence. I recognize them as opinions. While it's true that I believe Allen will bust, I'd gladly be wrong. I don't sit there waiting for Allen to play like trash so I can come to an anonymous message board to say I told you so. What prize do I win? I'm not into moral victories. What I want to see is the Buffalo Bills become Superbowl contenders. Anything that precipitates that is cool by me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Just now, LSHMEAB said: I can walk and chew gum at the same time. I don't cling to my opinions if they're disproven by evidence. I recognize them as opinions. While it's true that I believe Allen will bust, I'd gladly be wrong. I don't sit there waiting for Allen to play like trash so I can come to an anonymous message board to say I told you so. What prize do I win? I'm not into moral victories. What I want to see is the Buffalo Bills become Superbowl contenders. Anything that precipitates that is cool by me. I'm sorry, we are not talking about walking and chewing gum at the same time. I'm sure, as a bills fan, you would love to be wrong. My point was this: You cannot state that you have arrived at the conclusion Josh Allen is a bust and also claim to be open and objective about him. Those things are incongruent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 9 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: I'm sorry, we are not talking about walking and chewing gum at the same time. I'm sure, as a bills fan, you would love to be wrong. My point was this: You cannot state that you have arrived at the conclusion Josh Allen is a bust and also claim to be open and objective about him. Those things are incongruent. Seems simple logic, yet so hard for some to grasp. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 My god. It’s a snowflake convention. Waaaaaa you don’t think like me! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 4 hours ago, Rebel101 said: I believe you go with the hot hand and start Barkley. I think he earned himself one more start. I understand Allen is the future but they originally wanted him to sit anyway. But what if he does start and looks the same or worse then he did before injury? He was making some better throws in the Texans game. He didn’t play great but he looked alittle better so what if after sitting and learning from Anderson and all that he doesn’t look any different then what he did before the injury? Do we start to worry? I mean the main reason Josh Allen was even considered such a high pick was because of Carson Wentz and their numbers are no where near the same The question you should be asking yourself "Is Barkeley a franchise QB" The answer to your own question should be "no he is not" therefore....much like Tyrod Taylor you continue to look for that player.....and that is why TT is no longer on this team....not because he is horrible (regardless of some thing) but because he simply was not the answer...... Josh Allen might be......Barkeley is not.....but he might make an excellent backup for now and in the future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Buffaloflash said: Maybe for you!,It's about this year for a lot of fans. We want the QB that is more likely to run the table then observing a work in progress! For some reason your name is reminding me of buffalorush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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