PUNT750 Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 All we hear from July to September is about QB reps. Who looks good and who doesn't. Who runs the plays well and knows the offensive system. Preseason is about not getting players hurt and honestly proves nothing for QB's. It is all so insanely crazy that now we are starting scrap heap QB's (Barkley & Anderson) who weren't in camp, didn't play in preseason and obviously don't know the nuances of our offense. Is all the coach speak about having an offensive system a smoke screen? Is it all FAKE NEWS from the media that makes millions on the NFL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 Yes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 maybe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianthomas Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 well you can bet that our offense will be a lot simpler this weekend, given how Barkley has just got here. If he had more reps the OC would build upon that playbook & add more wrinkles & options. You can look at this situation like you have posted, or you can look at it how the coach recognizes that Peterman is hurting this teams chances more so than helping & out of desperation he's going with Barkley. Thats pretty much where we're at right now. Desperation time. Me personally, i hate losing & especially the way we're doing it, but I knew going into this that we were bottoming out this roster to make our move this offseason. I'd rather go thru these pains & be horrible, all to build this team to be a championship contender, then living thru mediocre 7-9, 9-7 seasons for all of eternity. Time will tell as it always does, but i dont think those preseason comments are nonsense. Its just that we're in a pretty rough spot & are just looking for someone to get us thru the weeks now lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 Nate is Sean's son Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 The lesson here is to not put too much emphasis on pre season games. Preseason doesn t mean nothing. It means less than nothing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 3 hours ago, PUNT750 said: All we hear from July to September is about QB reps. Who looks good and who doesn't. Who runs the plays well and knows the offensive system. Preseason is about not getting players hurt and honestly proves nothing for QB's. It is all so insanely crazy that now we are starting scrap heap QB's (Barkley & Anderson) who weren't in camp, didn't play in preseason and obviously don't know the nuances of our offense. Is all the coach speak about having an offensive system a smoke screen? Is it all FAKE NEWS from the media that makes millions on the NFL? Have you ever been tested? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 8 hours ago, PUNT750 said: All we hear from July to September is about QB reps. Who looks good and who doesn't. Who runs the plays well and knows the offensive system. Preseason is about not getting players hurt and honestly proves nothing for QB's. It is all so insanely crazy that now we are starting scrap heap QB's (Barkley & Anderson) who weren't in camp, didn't play in preseason and obviously don't know the nuances of our offense. Is all the coach speak about having an offensive system a smoke screen? Is it all FAKE NEWS from the media that makes millions on the NFL? Well, that all depends upon which NFL team you're talking about. Generally, successful teams with lots of established veterans on their rosters don't play their starters much. They play lots of 2nd and 3rd stringers and Day Three/UDFA rookies looking to make the roster. Even when first teamers are playing, they don't tend to go all out the way they would in games that count. This tends to make less talented teams look better in preseason than they really are. The Bills played better in pre-season than they've played in the regular season because now they're going up against teams that are not only more talented but are also willing to go all out to win. They're also going against offensive coaching staffs that are not only light-years better at their jobs than anybody the Bills have on the sidelines but have offensive talent that is light-years better than almost anybody the Bills put on the field, too. The Bills have an offensive system; that's not a smoke screen. The problem is that it's an offensive system that might have worked thirty or forty years ago but is a joke in 2018. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 8 hours ago, jr1 said: Nate is Sean's son ...plays more like his daughter at times............ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 The starter and backup are hurt. Your third QB didn't do well. So now another one. That is what happens when two guys get hurt. Duh. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 13 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: The starter and backup are hurt. Your third QB didn't do well. So now another one. That is what happens when two guys get hurt. Duh. It's what happens when the HC's anachronistic philosophy meets the GM's incompetence meets owner's "profit trumps winning" mantra to form a melange a trois made in hell for fans. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 Just now, SoTier said: It's what happens when the HC's anachronistic philosophy meets the GM's incompetence meets owner's "profit trumps winning" mantra to form a melange a trois made in hell for fans. And here we go with the nonsensical profit trumps winning crap. They drafted their heir young QB to be their future. He got hurt. Facts vs. your crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 It was insanely crazy that McBeane did not address replacing the 3 solid starters gone from last years offensive line, they had plenty of time. Woods and Incognito were gone by the end of January and Glenn was traded in early March. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, I am the egg man said: It was insanely crazy that McBeane did not address replacing the 3 solid starters gone from last years offensive line, they had plenty of time. Woods and Incognito were gone by the end of January and Glenn was traded in early March. Name a starting center in free agency they should have signed. Other than Bodine. And they had Groy who had filled in capably. Plus they had Dawkins at LT so Glenn was replaced. Guard I can see. Edited November 11, 2018 by oldmanfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 23 minutes ago, SoTier said: It's what happens when the HC's anachronistic philosophy meets the GM's incompetence meets owner's "profit trumps winning" mantra to form a melange a trois made in hell for fans. “melange a trois” congrats on the new TBDism! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 7 hours ago, reddogblitz said: The lesson here is to not put too much emphasis on pre season games. Preseason doesn t mean nothing. It means less than nothing. It means a little something but most can’t grasp that whether or not we throw a 50 yard TD - it’s did the qb have good mechanics, make the right read on time, did the ball have enough zip in Nate’s case etc.... while too many jump straight to the stat line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 38 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Name a starting center in free agency they should have signed. The fact remains the line needs an overhaul for next year, like it did this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 1 minute ago, I am the egg man said: The fact remains the line needs an overhaul for next year, like it did this year. Absolutely. Groy was a big disappointment. I expect picks and FAs up front. Perhaps a new O line coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maine-iac Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 If you are a great coach and have a great system then spending time in it is a big deal. If you are a coach that has marginal to bad results and a questionable system, then time in that system might not matter so much. The O-line will look like an O-line when we get a coach who can coach offense and a QB who can help them recognize defenses and change plays. The O-line is as much a result of the coaching as the WR's and RB's. Let's face it McCoy has done as well rushing as KB has receiving and no one is saying McCoy sucks. I think when/if we ever bring in a decent coach on offense everything will "magically" get better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 1 hour ago, WotAGuy said: “melange a trois” congrats on the new TBDism! You have to wonder if this new era of Yogi Berra type malaprops are helped along by 'autocorrect'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, SoTier said: It's what happens when the HC's anachronistic philosophy meets the GM's incompetence meets owner's "profit trumps winning" mantra to form a melange a trois made in hell for fans. Lol, you shaming your fellow Jamestownians with this witty retort. Edited November 11, 2018 by Tenhigh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 10 hours ago, PUNT750 said: All we hear from July to September is about QB reps. Who looks good and who doesn't. Who runs the plays well and knows the offensive system. Preseason is about not getting players hurt and honestly proves nothing for QB's. It is all so insanely crazy that now we are starting scrap heap QB's (Barkley & Anderson) who weren't in camp, didn't play in preseason and obviously don't know the nuances of our offense. Is all the coach speak about having an offensive system a smoke screen? Is it all FAKE NEWS from the media that makes millions on the NFL? If you were under the assumption that pre-season football can be used to evaluate players, now you know it can't. You're late to that party, my friend, but better late than never. Pre-season football games are a huge waste of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 10 hours ago, PUNT750 said: All we hear from July to September is about QB reps. Who looks good and who doesn't. Who runs the plays well and knows the offensive system. Preseason is about not getting players hurt and honestly proves nothing for QB's. It is all so insanely crazy that now we are starting scrap heap QB's (Barkley & Anderson) who weren't in camp, didn't play in preseason and obviously don't know the nuances of our offense. Is all the coach speak about having an offensive system a smoke screen? Is it all FAKE NEWS from the media that makes millions on the NFL? I’m undecided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 Training together and preseason help build chemistry between players (like QBs and receivers), learn some nuances of the playbooks, etc. To say it means nothing is ridiculous. But 80% of the plays and timing and skills are there already if you're a NFL level player! But a good 10-15% of the remaining 20% is earned through training and playing together, video sessions, meetings, etc. The final edge is earned through focused playing and added work. So while I do think 80% is the same so players could move from team to team easily without too much obvious adjustments needed, that extra 20% matters a lot, especially for QBs, and makes those small differences in games between winning and losing. We all hate the Cheatriots but it's those small differences (and suspect favorable ref calls and spying) that affect a few plays here and there that have made them so consistent throughout the years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, oldmanfan said: And here we go with the nonsensical profit trumps winning crap. They drafted their heir young QB to be their future. He got hurt. Facts vs. your crap. The truth obviously hurts, but keep on spreading the manure about how much McDermott and Beane want to build a passing offense. Why isn't there a single starting caliber WR on the Bills roster -- and hasn't been since they traded Sammy Watkins in July, 2017? Why did they wait a month to bring in a veteran QB who was at least competent after they traded McCarron and Peterman crapped the bed in the opener??? Why did they wait until the very end of the fifth round (pick 29 IIRC) to bother to another offensive player after Allen in the 2018 draft? If they "drafted their heir young QB to be their future" why the hell didn't they even bother to get him a real QB coach when it was repeatedly noted by every scout/evaluator etc who watched Allen that he needed significant work on his fundamentals to even have a chance to be a moderately successful NFL QB? The answer is that theyy drafted Allen for the same reason that Donahoe drafted Losman in 2004 and Whaley drafted Manuel in 2013: to put butts in the seats. They have no more commitment to having a passing game than Mercedes Benz has to making economy cars. If Allen somehow develops into a decent NFL QB it will be despite McDermott, Beane, and Pegula. Edited November 11, 2018 by SoTier 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 (edited) 11 hours ago, PUNT750 said: All we hear from July to September is about QB reps. Who looks good and who doesn't. Who runs the plays well and knows the offensive system. Preseason is about not getting players hurt and honestly proves nothing for QB's. It is all so insanely crazy that now we are starting scrap heap QB's (Barkley & Anderson) who weren't in camp, didn't play in preseason and obviously don't know the nuances of our offense. Is all the coach speak about having an offensive system a smoke screen? Is it all FAKE NEWS from the media that makes millions on the NFL? There's a bit of truth in what you say, if your qb is in his 19th year starting in your system, like Brady and Rodgers and Brees and Ryan. Those guys don't need the reps. Young guys and guys new to the systemost need the reps. Nothing you can do about injuries. Edited November 11, 2018 by Shaw66 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 4 hours ago, SoTier said: Well, that all depends upon which NFL team you're talking about. Generally, successful teams with lots of established veterans on their rosters don't play their starters much. They play lots of 2nd and 3rd stringers and Day Three/UDFA rookies looking to make the roster. Even when first teamers are playing, they don't tend to go all out the way they would in games that count. This tends to make less talented teams look better in preseason than they really are. The Bills played better in pre-season than they've played in the regular season because now they're going up against teams that are not only more talented but are also willing to go all out to win. They're also going against offensive coaching staffs that are not only light-years better at their jobs than anybody the Bills have on the sidelines but have offensive talent that is light-years better than almost anybody the Bills put on the field, too. The Bills have an offensive system; that's not a smoke screen. The problem is that it's an offensive system that might have worked thirty or forty years ago but is a joke in 2018. To your point, I recall a number of season between 1990 and maybe around 1998, the Bills going 0-5 in pre-season. (and yes they were still playing 5 pre-season games back then, at least back in the beginning of those years). Actually I remember even playing six pre-season games. What does that prove, that I'm old! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 12 hours ago, jr1 said: Nate is Sean's son Yes! My prime theory! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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