McD - we do have wins, although they are not always on the scoreboard. Saw some Bills style football yesterday

[PittsforDave]

41 minutes ago, sullim4 said:

I think people want to see McD like this at a press conference...

 

 

Love his honesty and emotion. 

 

We need playmakers. Our offense has zero talent. 

[jrober38]

24 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

You dont seem to know the difference of building and fielding.  The ONLY piece of the future they went out and got is Allen.  They have NOT begun the offensive rebuild.  But they STILL need to FIELD a team in the mean time.  Offensive rebuild rally starts this offseason.

 

I don't understand why you continue to ignore that he traded for both of our awful receivers. 

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

[klos63]

4 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Not true.  He and Beane said repeatedly this is a passing league and its critical you can throw from the pocket.  There is a REASON they took a QB with a big arm...thats to throw.

 

Some of you cant separate what he wants to do with the only thing this team can do.  We have no passing attack, you act like he CHOOSES not to have it.  Our young QB is hurt, our WR and OL is subpar.  He is trying to run because this team cant currently throw.  Not because he feels we should just be a power run team.

 

Some of you really need to separate yourselves from this year and get a grip.  Trubisky playing almost a full season only threw SEVEN TD's last year...SEVEN.  Now look at him with new weapons around him to work with and a year under his belt.  Different team now and they are looking to throw more and downfield more despite being a run first team prior because they couldn't throw.  

He did choose to get rid of our top WR, and our best lineman even after knowing Incognito and Wood were finished. They failed to address the needs of the line and receiver positions adequately this season.  They also traded the veteran QB the acquired to hold the fort until Allen was ready. A lot of this falls on McD and Beane.

[Alphadawg7]

28 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

So they were tanking all along, but once they won a few games, they stopped tanking. Now that they suck, they're back to tanking. It's hard to keep up with these geniuses because they're so ahead of the curve.

 

Thank you for breaking it down.

 

Not remotely close to what I said, but based on your posts on this board lately, doesn't surprise me you made up your own narrative.

[SoTier]

5 hours ago, McNubbins said:

When was the last time a team won a championship for moral victories?

Also WTF is "buffalo bills style of football?"  Losing?

 

Losing by 20+ points, apparently.

[Alphadawg7]

28 minutes ago, Commsvet11 said:

 

Prolific Passers

Rodgers, Brees, Rivers, Luck, Ryan and Stafford. 

 

You didnt include Brady. 

 

Your thinking of building a defense first is just wrong, there have been many times that the bills fielded an excellent defense but it didn’t do any good and there is a decent defense right now it means nothing because we can’t score. 

 

Same problem last year only it’s much worse. 

 

This FO has just one year to fix the offense and it’s not going to happen with the resources and time they have. 

 

 

 

Lol.  So ONE guy chases the narrative for 7 guys?  Hahaha ok.  

23 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

I don't understand why you continue to ignore that he traded for both of our awful receivers. 

 

I dont see why you keep ignoring Beane was a member of the Carolina Panthers when that Zay trade happened.  So HOW did he trade for those 2?

[LSHMEAB]

1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Not remotely close to what I said, but based on your posts on this board lately, doesn't surprise me you made up your own narrative.

I admire your optimism and commitment to this team. I really do.

 

That optimism is entirely unwarranted IMO and the Bills will be much better off once we change course. At the end of the day, we all want the same thing but have drastically different views on how to get there. Nothing personal. All business.

[jrober38]

5 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Lol.  So ONE guy chases the narrative for 7 guys?  Hahaha ok.  

 

I dont see why you keep ignoring Beane was a member of the Carolina Panthers when that Zay trade happened.  So HOW did he trade for those 2?

 

McDermott made the trade. Whaley wasn't involved with the 2017 draft. 

 

Beane was here for the Benjamin trade, which was another terrible decision. 

 

McDermott runs the show at OBD. He brought his buddy Beane along, but he's the one in charge. 

 

Edited November 6, 2018 by jrober38

[Alphadawg7]

28 minutes ago, klos63 said:

He did choose to get rid of our top WR, and our best lineman even after knowing Incognito and Wood were finished. They failed to address the needs of the line and receiver positions adequately this season.  They also traded the veteran QB the acquired to hold the fort until Allen was ready. A lot of this falls on McD and Beane.

 

He didn't choose to get rid of our best WR.  He chose to get value, good value, for a guy they were NOT going to resign and lose for nothing because they were not going to pay what he commanded.  And since leaving Buffalo, Watkins compiled less than 500 yards on a prolific Rams offense and is being paid $16M to be the 4th option in KC.  Not a chance we were paying Sammy $16M, nor should we...and I am a Sammy fan.

 

So the alternative was to have kept Watkins, still lose to Jaguars (assuming we still make playoffs), and then lose Watkins and also NOT have the 2nd round pick that helped us land BOTH Allen and Edmunds?  That doesn't make sense does it?

 

And we had to trade Glenn...he was always hurt, underperforming and expendable. It was more important to go get our future QB, and that trade it possible to get Allen WITHOUT trading FUTURE first round picks or our SECOND first round pick last year which allowed us to get BOTH Edmunds and Allen without giving up any future firsts.  Look at how high our pick will be this year, its HUUUUGGGEEEE we got to get both guys without trading this pick.  

If people really look at what went down and why, you can see now why it was the right move.  And I did NOT like the trade at the time cuz I felt Watkins had just gotten healthy and wanted to see what he could do. But even I would not have paid him anything close to what he got.

Edited November 6, 2018 by Alphadawg7

[Commsvet11]

2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Lol.  So ONE guy chases the narrative for 7 guys?  Hahaha ok.  

 

I dont see why you keep ignoring Beane was a member of the Carolina Panthers when that Zay trade happened.  So HOW did he trade for those 2?

 

That one guy meaning Brady, uh yeah that kinda does, since he was in 6 superbowls. 

 

You can can preach your arachiac mantra of defense wins championships (which is quickly going away it’s not a fad)while I say offense gets you that championship and now wins them. 

 

 

 

 

 

[Alphadawg7]

15 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

McDermott made the trade. Whaley wasn't involved with the 2017 draft. 

 

Beane was here for the Benjamin trade, which was another terrible decision. 

 

McDermott runs the show at OBD. He brought his buddy Beane along, but he's the one in charge. 

 

 

And Beane is the GM now.  Beane is leading the rebuild moving forward, not McD.  We did not give McD complete roster control as a first time HC.

 

12 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

I admire your optimism and commitment to this team. I really do.

 

That optimism is entirely unwarranted IMO and the Bills will be much better off once we change course. At the end of the day, we all want the same thing but have drastically different views on how to get there. Nothing personal. All business.

 

But how can you not have some optimism?  Look I get this year is miserable, but I for one expected it and was ok with it before the season began.  

 

What have we done the last 2 decades?  Make a few meh moves to keep between 7 and 9 wins.  Gets us no where.  They needed to make a BOLD move, and they did that.  They went and got one of the most athletically gifted QB's we have seen in a long time.  Hes also a leader and smart.  There is a lot to like about him, if they can develop him we will be taking about SB or bust not trying to just compete for the final playoff spot.  

 

McD took a bad offense, a QB MOST here said could never make the playoffs...and did just that and did it without Sammy...without Jordan...and without KB mostly since he was hurt a lot once we got him.  He took a rag tag team and shocked and broke the streak.

 

And had Zay Jones not run such a piss poor route on the final play in Carolina, we would have won 10 games.  And I still think we beat Chargers last year (there were coming off 3 game losing streak) had we started Tyrod.  But MOST people here wanted us to start Peterman that week, then turned on McD when it didn't work out.  

 

Whats on the field this year is what he has had to field, not what they are building.  They have completed got the D setup to be good for awhile.  QB is in place...in one draft, Beane got his QB, his stud MLB (both first rounders without giving up this years first...think how important that is right now, to STILL have our first this year) and still got some good young prospects in Taron and Phillips.

 

Lots of good has been done...but people forget and twist it because they cant separate themselves from this year.  Everything is about moving forward, not this year.  They have not begun to really build the offense outside Allen.  Thats will be addressed this offseason and then next year we can see if their plan is working or not.

[major]

McD be like...

[Alphadawg7]

6 minutes ago, Commsvet11 said:

 

That one guy meaning Brady, uh yeah that kinda does, since he was in 6 superbowls. 

 

You can can preach your arachiac mantra of defense wins championships (which is quickly going away it’s not a fad)while I say offense gets you that championship and now wins them. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I didn't say defense wins championships, I said there are many ways to win championships.  And Brady lost 2 with the most prolific offenses in history to Eli Manning and the Giants Defense who shut them down compared to their regular season.  

[DRA3196]

2 hours ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

 

The Bears after 2017 also understood that their head coach and staff obviously weren't good enough to develop the young QB and offense and mold the team into a winner. 

 

Will the Bills recognize the same fact about McDermott?

It's merely speculation at this point and until McDermott has the tools he feels he needs to put his team on the field, we won't know until after the 2019 season anyways.

[Commsvet11]

Just now, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I didn't say defense wins championships, I said there are many ways to win championships.  And Brady lost 2 with the most prolific offenses in history to Eli Manning and the Giants Defense who shut them down compared to their regular season.  

 

 

That’s because offenses win championships. 

 

That is why McD has already failed.

 

 

 

 

[SoTier]

5 hours ago, MJS said:

Why does it matter what McDermott tells the media? McDermott should be judges solely upon what happens on the field.

 

Then why is he still the Bills HC?  His team is as bad and as uncompetitive as any of the previous dog crap teams the Bills ever fielded back in the 1970s and 1980s.

 

5 hours ago, MRM33064 said:

My issue with the Mahommes talk is that even if he were here, he wouldn't be what he is.  He'd be handing off to Chris Ivory. 

 

That's actually my biggest fear about McD; that is, that Josh Allen really is super talented but he'll get ruined here by being neutered by a "defense first" and "protect the ball" '70s style staff.

 

I said before the season, and since, and I'll repeat it.  Allen is being set up to fail by having absolutely no support around him, not a real QB coach, not protection, not targets,and  not even a running game to take the pressure off of him.  That's on both McDermott and Beane, and they both need to go ASAP.

 

4 hours ago, Young34 said:

Welcome back to the heart of Bills football, boys.

 

"We punted well." -Dick Jauron

 

The currrent Bills don't even do that well.

 

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

They fired a bad coach, not a defensive coach.  This stupid notion that you cant coach if you come from defensive side is beyond stupid.  Go ask the Pats what they think of your thoughts.

 

McDermott is a bad coach, too.  He's a bad coach because he refuses to adapt to the reality that he's coaching in 2018 not 1968 or 1978 or 1988.

 

[Alphadawg7]

18 minutes ago, Commsvet11 said:

 

 

That’s because offenses win championships. 

 

That is why McD has already failed.

 

 

 

 

 

The why did the 17-0 Pats that set all offensive records lose to the Giants?  Why didnt Peyton Manning win more?  Why has Brees not won one in years and only made playoffs a couple times last 7 years?  Why hasn’t Rivers played in one?  Why hasn’t Luck?  Why did the Pats lose after setting SB offense records last year?  Why hasn’t Rogers won more than one?  Why hasn’t he been back in years?  Why does Andy Reid not have a SB ring as a HC?   

 

But yeah...offense wins championships.  Hahaha so dumb.  Offense CAN win a championship, just like defenses can (see recent champs like Denver 2015, Seattle, Ravens, Giants 3 times, etc) and so can balanced teams.  There are many ways to win the SB. 

 

So youre right, but not really, and still very wrong.  

5 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

McDermott is a bad coach, too.  He's a bad coach because he refuses to adapt to the reality that he's coaching in 2018 not 1968 or 1978 or 1988.

 

 

Nah, you’re just a bad analyst since you can’t seem to grasp what they do each week is NOT a function of how he wants to play, but the only way we can with the personnel we currently have.

 

I mean he and Beane have literally said multiple times how important it is to be able to have a good passing game in today’s NFL.  We just don’t currently have the personnel to do it yet.

Edited November 6, 2018 by Alphadawg7

[TheFunPolice]

2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

The why did the 17-0 Pats that set all offensive records lose to the Giants?  Why didnt Peyton Manning win more?  Why has Brees not won one in years and only made playoffs a couple times last 7 years?  Why hasn’t Rivers played in one?  Why hasn’t Luck?  Why did the Pats lose after setting SB offense records last year?  Why hasn’t Rogers won more than one?  Why hasn’t he been back in years?  Why does Andy Reid not have a SB ring as a HC?   

 

But yeah...offense wins championships.  Hahaha so dumb.  Offense CAN win a championship, just like defenses can (see recent champs like Denver 2015, Seattle, Ravens, Giants 3 times, etc) and so can balanced teams.  There are many ways to win the SB. 

 

So youre right, but not really, and still very wrong.  

Pats lost last SB because the other offense scored more.

 

Defense was optional

[Alphadawg7]

8 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

Pats lost last SB because the other offense scored more.

 

Defense was optional

 

Really, how many points did the Pats average per game going into the SB against the Giants?  And now tell me how many points Pats scored in SB.  

 

Here I will help.  

Pats averaged 36.8 points per game.

Pats scored 14 in the SB loss which is less than 40% of their average.  

 

Man, this is just getting to easy now

 

PS:  Pats averaged 32.1 points per game in 2011 and then lost to Giants again scoring only 17.  

Edited November 6, 2018 by Alphadawg7

[TheFunPolice]

3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Really, how many points did the Pats average per game going into the SB against the Giants?  And now tell me how many points Pats scored in SB.  

 

Here I will help.  

Pats averaged 36.8 points per game.

Pats scored 14 in the SB loss which is less than 40% of their average.  

 

Man, this is just getting to easy now

 

I was talking about Eagles Pats SB

 

Giants put up great defensive efforts gotta give them credit! And thank God for them!

 

And  "too easy" is the phrase you're looking for. See, we're both helpful!

 

 

Edited November 6, 2018 by TheFunPolice

[Alphadawg7]

2 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

 

I was talking about Eagles Pats SB

 

Giants put up great defensive efforts gotta give them credit! And thank God for them!

 

And  "too easy" is the phrase you're looking for. See, we're both helpful!

 

 

 

Well you responded to a post talking about the Giants losses  

[nedboy7]

14 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

The why did the 17-0 Pats that set all offensive records lose to the Giants?  Why didnt Peyton Manning win more?  Why has Brees not won one in years and only made playoffs a couple times last 7 years?  Why hasn’t Rivers played in one?  Why hasn’t Luck?  Why did the Pats lose after setting SB offense records last year?  Why hasn’t Rogers won more than one?  Why hasn’t he been back in years?  Why does Andy Reid not have a SB ring as a HC?   

 

But yeah...offense wins championships.  Hahaha so dumb.  Offense CAN win a championship, just like defenses can (see recent champs like Denver 2015, Seattle, Ravens, Giants 3 times, etc) and so can balanced teams.  There are many ways to win the SB. 

 

So youre right, but not really, and still very wrong.  

 

Nah, you’re just a bad analyst since you can’t seem to grasp what they do each week is NOT a function of how he wants to play, but the only way we can with the personnel we currently have.

 

I mean he and Beane have literally said multiple times how important it is to be able to have a good passing game in today’s NFL.  We just don’t currently have the personnel to do it yet.

 

Do McD or Beane actually pay you to post all this?  Have they made one mistake in your eyes?  Read the Rockpile Review.  Get a different perspective. 

[JoPar_v2]

I know it’s a requirement, but I just wish McDermott would just stop doing these pressers. He doesn’t say anything of substance besides rattling off the injuries at the beginning.

 

everything else just serves to make some people mad. I understand he’s buttoned up and isn’t really going to expound on things or be too critical of his players. I can appreciate that, and I am not his biggest fan to say the least. This is a tough season, and a historically bad one on the offensive side. All that said, he gets another year from me to see if he can turn it around. It’d be a nice surprise if he can.

[SoTier]

5 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Nah, you’re just a bad analyst since you can’t seem to grasp what they do each week is NOT a function of how he wants to play, but the only way we can with the personnel we currently have.

 

I mean he and Beane have literally said multiple times how important it is to be able to have a good passing game in today’s NFL.  We just don’t currently have the personnel to do it yet.

 

The "it's not really our fault" bull manure is exactly that, bull manure.   That's simply disingenous excuse making on your part.   McDermott has had control of personnel decisions since the 2017 draft, no matter how much you want to deny that, so it's on him. 

 

As for McDermott and Beane's claims about recognizing the importance of having a good passing game, they talk the talk but they sure don't walk the walk.  If they truly believed this, the Bills OL and WRs wouldn't be so bad, and they wouldn't have a WR coach "mentoring" their first round QB prospect.  

[bobobonators]

What i saw yesterday was a steaming pile of dog****. Nothing more. 

[Success]

Surreal doesn’t even describe this anymore.  

 

We’ll get through this, people.  We always do.  Find strength in the power of beer.

[Ol Dirty B]

6 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Not true.  He and Beane said repeatedly this is a passing league and its critical you can throw from the pocket.  There is a REASON they took a QB with a big arm...thats to throw.

 

Some of you cant separate what he wants to do with the only thing this team can do.  We have no passing attack, you act like he CHOOSES not to have it.  Our young QB is hurt, our WR and OL is subpar.  He is trying to run because this team cant currently throw.  Not because he feels we should just be a power run team.

 

Some of you really need to separate yourselves from this year and get a grip.  Trubisky playing almost a full season only threw SEVEN TD's last year...SEVEN.  Now look at him with new weapons around him to work with and a year under his belt.  Different team now and they are looking to throw more and downfield more despite being a run first team prior because they couldn't throw.  

 

Eh... John Fox was fired when Trubisky threw 7 TDs. I'm not sure your point really holds up

Edited November 6, 2018 by Ol Dirty B

[Commsvet11]

Just now, Alphadawg7 said:

 

The why did the 17-0 Pats that set all offensive records lose to the Giants?  Why didnt Peyton Manning win more?  Why has Brees not won one in years and only made playoffs a couple times last 7 years?  Why hasn’t Rivers played in one?  Why hasn’t Luck?  Why did the Pats lose after setting SB offense records last year?  Why hasn’t Rogers won more than one?  Why hasn’t he been back in years?  Why does Andy Reid not have a SB ring as a HC?   

 

But yeah...offense wins championships.  Hahaha so dumb.  Offense CAN win a championship, just like defenses can (see recent champs like Denver 2015, Seattle, Ravens, Giants 3 times, etc) and so can balanced teams.  There are many ways to win the SB. 

 

So youre right, but not really, and still very wrong.  

 

 

Tyree catch.....offense beat offense. That’s how you beat them

Was it eagles offense or defense that won the Super Bowl last year? Oh offense again. Denver’s defense was good WITH manning, the next year they failed to make the playoffs when he retired, and  that D was dismantled 

within a season.Seattle had Russell Wilson, and Baltimore was 18 years ago. 

 

You keep asking why several of these Offense Players and coaches haven’t won more superbowls, and that’s answered by the better offenses like the Patriots have in the playoffs. But they have won superbowls.

 

While  you only have a few defenses for examples all but one had above average QB on them and you had to go 18 years back to find one that didn’t have an above average starter, because the one year with Baltimore that your thinking of Flacco was on fire for the playoffs. 

 

 

 

 

[Alphadawg7]

6 minutes ago, Commsvet11 said:

 

 

Tyree catch.....offense beat offense. That’s how you beat them

Was it eagles offense or defense that won the Super Bowl last year? Oh offense again. Denver’s defense was good WITH manning, the next year they failed to make the playoffs when he retired, and  that D was dismantled 

within a season.Seattle had Russell Wilson, and Baltimore was 18 years ago. 

 

You keep asking why several of these Offense Players and coaches haven’t won more superbowls, and that’s answered by the better offenses like the Patriots have in the playoffs. But they have won superbowls.

 

While  you only have a few defenses for examples all but one had above average QB on them and you had to go 18 years back to find one that didn’t have an above average starter, because the one year with Baltimore that your thinking of Flacco was on fire for the playoffs. 

 

 

 

 

 

Pats averaged 36 points per game.  Lose to Giants by scoring only 14.  How is that not Defense?

Pats averaged 32 points per game.  Lose to Giants AGAIN by scoring only 17 points.  How is that not defense?

Broncos win the SB in 2015 with LOWEST RATED QB"s in Regular season (manning was awful his last year) and worst QB performance for a SB winning team in history.  How is that not defense?

Seattle won and almost one back to back with defense and ground and pound.  

Flacco and Ravens win in Ray Lewis swan song  with a sub par offense and top 10 Defense.  And they beat a SF team that was there because of defense and run game. 

 

Just a few examples...you have ONLY one, Brady, and he lost with a perfect season on highest scoring team in NFL history, lost as the #2 offense in the league, and lost again last year while setting Super Bowl passing records.  In fact the ONLY one he WON in his last 4 trips was WON beacaus of a DEFENISVE interception to end game on goal line by Butler because Seattle passed on the goal line instead of running it in with Beastmode.  Otherwise he would be have lost his LAST FOUR SB's to defense.

 

Meanwhile, Brees, Rogers, and Ryan have all combined to make one each and have frequently not even made the playoffs.  In fact, its their lack of Defense that keeps them from getting very far.  

 

Where are all those rings for Rogers, Rivers, Brees, Stafford, Luck, Ryan, etc?  If offense is the only thing that wins championships, why dont they have more?  Why did Brady lose 3 and got lucky to not lose a 4th thanks to a bad goaline call by the Seahawks?

 

Edited November 6, 2018 by Alphadawg7

[klos63]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

He didn't choose to get rid of our best WR.  He chose to get value, good value, for a guy they were NOT going to resign and lose for nothing because they were not going to pay what he commanded.  And since leaving Buffalo, Watkins compiled less than 500 yards on a prolific Rams offense and is being paid $16M to be the 4th option in KC.  Not a chance we were paying Sammy $16M, nor should we...and I am a Sammy fan.

 

So the alternative was to have kept Watkins, still lose to Jaguars (assuming we still make playoffs), and then lose Watkins and also NOT have the 2nd round pick that helped us land BOTH Allen and Edmunds?  That doesn't make sense does it?

 

And we had to trade Glenn...he was always hurt, underperforming and expendable. It was more important to go get our future QB, and that trade it possible to get Allen WITHOUT trading FUTURE first round picks or our SECOND first round pick last year which allowed us to get BOTH Edmunds and Allen without giving up any future firsts.  Look at how high our pick will be this year, its HUUUUGGGEEEE we got to get both guys without trading this pick.  

If people really look at what went down and why, you can see now why it was the right move.  And I did NOT like the trade at the time cuz I felt Watkins had just gotten healthy and wanted to see what he could do. But even I would not have paid him anything close to what he got.

They chose to get rid of Watkins, however you wish to phrase it. And as a 4th option in KC he has over 500 yards in 8 games, not too bad.

 

Glenn was hurt much of the last 2 years, but he was not under performing when healthy and was certainly not expendable. If he was expendable, I would think we wouldn't notice his absence. 

 

Whatever the reasoning behind all these moves , the fact is , so far, it ain't working. And judging by other moves, a 3rd for Benjamin, a 7th for Coleman who barely lasted a couple practices, cutting McCarron for Peterman... I'm not instilled with confidence right now.

Edited November 6, 2018 by klos63

[Alphadawg7]

29 minutes ago, klos63 said:

They chose to get rid of Watkins, however you wish to phrase it. And as a 4th option in KC he has over 500 yards in 8 games, not too bad.

 

Glenn was hurt much of the last 2 years, but he was not under performing when healthy and was certainly not expendable. If he was expendable, I would think we wouldn't notice his absence. 

 

Whatever the reasoning behind all these moves , the fact is , so far, it ain't working. And judging by other moves, a 3rd for Benjamin, a 7th for Coleman who barely lasted a couple practices, cutting McCarron for Peterman... I'm not instilled with confidence right now.

 

Is that 500 yards worth $16M a year?  That was my point.  I like Sammy, a lot.  But he isnt putting up the numbers to justify his paycheck.  And Cooks is doing a lot more in his first year with Goff than Watkins did.  

 

We dont miss his absence...we miss the absence of 3 Pro Bowl OL.  Thats the issue.  But MOST importantly...here is what no one seems to grasp.  Had we not traded Glenn, we would have had to trade THIS years First to get Allen.  Think about that.  It was a much better to move to keep this years first which will almost certainly be top 5 and could be top 3.  

 

We traded a 3rd for KB because we were in the thick of a playoff race.  Had we not been trying to make the playoffs, KB trade never happens.  And I applaud them for trying to do what they needed to get us there once it became clear that playoffs were a real possibility.  It didn't work out, but most people here liked the trade when it happened.  And Jordan's bad luck of injuries also forced their hand.  Had Jordan stayed healthy, we also wouldn't have had to try and make a move.  They got the best guy that was available last year.  And you know what, KB helped us make the playoffs, he made a couple key plays like in the snow game that helped us get there.  So cant fault them for that, it contributed to our breaking the 17 year drought. 

 

And who can blame them for taking a flyer on Coleman for a 7th?  Most everyone loved the move at the time.  And they didn't cut AJM, they traded him for a decent draft pick because NO ONE was gonna trade us a 5th for Peterman and they wanted to start Allen anyway.  They said multiple times the plan was to start Allen week 1, but his 3rd preseason game where he struggled and got dinged up gave them pause to see if they can prepare a little more before starting.  NP had a solid preseason then flopped...so they made the switch early.

 

Im not saying ultimately this all works out.  I am saying they haven't even begun the offensive rebuild yet outside Allen.  We won't truly know what kind of path we are on until we see the results of how they use 10 draft picks and 90M in cap space to work on the offense this off season.

Edited November 6, 2018 by Alphadawg7

[Pete]

Break out the participation trophies 

[Ayjent]

6 hours ago, mjd1001 said:

Ok, I know some of the guys on WGR are going off on the Bills staff for saying "buffalo bills football" means "cold weather, winning the line of scrimage, playing in the wind", etc.....but...I have to say I agree with the WGR hosts...I am so sick of hearing that from the Bills and their coaches/management.

 

If the weather is THAT big of an issue that you THINK you need to play football differently from most of the other successful teams....then just build a dome.  However, Even in the 'terrible' Buffalo weather (how many bad games a year here anyway? 2???), other teams have done well passing on bad conditions.

 

I do know there are some people out there (some of my family members) that say...they don't care what anyone says...you still win football with Defense and a running game...run and stop the run.  But as others have said, I just don't like watching that kind of football. Its boring to me...at least when you know there are options of play out there like what the Rams, Saints, and Cheifs are doing this year.

 

If you really REALLY want to run the ball more than anyone else..do it out of the spread formation.  Because right now...I don't want to see anymore 4 yard runs where the ball is handed off, the back goes right into the back of the O-line..and the whole pile pushes/falls forward for that 4 yard gain.

The best Bills teams threw the ball all over the field for their day in the snow and cold and that was their advantage, a very good OL and very good skill players.  A defense with some stars that could make some opportune plays, but not a shut down unit.  Hmm.  Do you think maybe they could give that another try sometime, other than the Chan Gailey era where they neglected the QB position in the draft and put all of their eggs into the Fitzmagic wagon? 

 

Now they have a defensive minded coach that has acquired most of the personnel for his D and somehow magically hoped a raw rookie from Wyoming and a 5th round pick from Pitt were good enough with a line that not only endured two huge losses, but also traded their other multi-year proven starter at the most important position on the OL.  If you have to give up a proven LT to get an unproven QB when you just lost your starting LG and C, you might want to reconsider what you are doing. 

 

In a lot of ways the trades that looked like really good moves to acquire draft capital last year mirrored the playoff run that had Bills fans excited.  This year the perplexing use of all of that draft capital and the need to acquire even more draft capital by getting rid of a game managing QB that really should be McD's soul mate (safe with the Ball and likes to run) and proven above average starter at LT to get two players that haven't proven a thing mirrors the s#!t show that is the 2018 Buffalo Bills.  They gutted this offense and reshaped it as they saw fit.   So far it sucks.  Last year was buoyed by the holdovers - this year, well, it speaks for itself.  I think what makes this even more frustrating is that you don't really even have much youth to watch develop on the O and say just give it time - Allen, Dawkins and Jones are what you can watch, but Allen is hurt, Jones has been disappointing, and Dawkins is playing okay, not great.  What are we supposed to get excited about?  Ray Ray McCloud? 

 

They've been missing with their Offensive moves - big time, and if you think they are going to magically turn it around this offseason, I love your optimism.   I hope that they do, but I wouldn't bet on it.  There is absolutely no evidence that they can do anything beyond identifying a decent back up RB. 

Edited November 6, 2018 by Ayjent

[Wayne Arnold]

10 hours ago, McNubbins said:

Genuine question, are you pleased with the team this year? ?

 

They are 2-7 with what has so far been the worst offense in history. Why would I be pleased?

[H2o]

14 hours ago, Reed83HOF said:

Yeah...I think I might be over this guy....

 

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"We do have wins, although they're not always on the scoreboard... in the midst of a game, I saw some things yesterday that is the Buffalo Bills style of football we want to play." -Sean McDermott

This is one of the dumbest statements I have ever seen quoted from McDermott. I understand you're trying to spin some kind of positive from the game like the defense holding the opposition under 200 yards. But seriously, can you get any more oblivious? As many people have said already this is eerily reminiscent of another Dick we had coaching this team in the past. 

[twoandfourteen]

7 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Is that 500 yards worth $16M a year?  That was my point.  I like Sammy, a lot.  But he isnt putting up the numbers to justify his paycheck.  And Cooks is doing a lot more in his first year with Goff than Watkins did.  

 

We dont miss his absence...we miss the absence of 3 Pro Bowl OL.  Thats the issue.  But MOST importantly...here is what no one seems to grasp.  Had we not traded Glenn, we would have had to trade THIS years First to get Allen.  Think about that.  It was a much better to move to keep this years first which will almost certainly be top 5 and could be top 3.  

 

We traded a 3rd for KB because we were in the thick of a playoff race.  Had we not been trying to make the playoffs, KB trade never happens.  And I applaud them for trying to do what they needed to get us there once it became clear that playoffs were a real possibility.  It didn't work out, but most people here liked the trade when it happened.  And Jordan's bad luck of injuries also forced their hand.  Had Jordan stayed healthy, we also wouldn't have had to try and make a move.  They got the best guy that was available last year.  And you know what, KB helped us make the playoffs, he made a couple key plays like in the snow game that helped us get there.  So cant fault them for that, it contributed to our breaking the 17 year drought. 

 

And who can blame them for taking a flyer on Coleman for a 7th?  Most everyone loved the move at the time.  And they didn't cut AJM, they traded him for a decent draft pick because NO ONE was gonna trade us a 5th for Peterman and they wanted to start Allen anyway.  They said multiple times the plan was to start Allen week 1, but his 3rd preseason game where he struggled and got dinged up gave them pause to see if they can prepare a little more before starting.  NP had a solid preseason then flopped...so they made the switch early.

 

Im not saying ultimately this all works out.  I am saying they haven't even begun the offensive rebuild yet outside Allen.  We won't truly know what kind of path we are on until we see the results of how they use 10 draft picks and 90M in cap space to work on the offense this off season.

 

Again, this is so incredibly false. It's bordering on comical how vehemently you are defending this incompetent coach & GM.

 

You deserve a medal for the mental gymnastics you are performing in order to arrive at these ridiculous points. 

[jlgarsh]

15 hours ago, jrober38 said:

 

I'm having Deja Vu from the Dick Jauron era. 

They run the same defense, and have the same philosophical approach to football and how to build a team. 

 

Both guys valued character over talent. 

 

I was over it in the 2nd half when they were still running and not playing no huddle down by 4+ TDs 

[SoTier]

6 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Is that 500 yards worth $16M a year?  That was my point.  I like Sammy, a lot.  But he isnt putting up the numbers to justify his paycheck.  And Cooks is doing a lot more in his first year with Goff than Watkins did.  

 

We dont miss his absence...we miss the absence of 3 Pro Bowl OL.  Thats the issue.  But MOST importantly...here is what no one seems to grasp.  Had we not traded Glenn, we would have had to trade THIS years First to get Allen.  Think about that.  It was a much better to move to keep this years first which will almost certainly be top 5 and could be top 3.  

 

 

Are you serious???  Watkins had 982 yards (6 TDs) as a rookie, 1047 yards (9 TDs) in 2015, and 430 yards (2 TDs) in only 8 games in 2016.   So far in 2018, his 530 yards (3 TDs) in 9 games is almost as many yards as he had in 15 games (593 yards, 8 TDs) in  2017 which suggests he'll be around 1000 yards and 6 TDs once again. 

 

Claiming that the Bills don't miss him is just more of the typical BS you spew in defense of McDermott and Beane.  The Bills passing offense stunk last year without Watkins and with both Wood and Incognito playing all season but Glenn missing most of the season.   Watkins has as many TDs as the entire Bills passing offense has this whole season. 

 

As for the Bills not being able to "afford" Watkins, that's more bull manure.   With the lowest current salary level in the league, they certainly could have despite the self-inflicted dead cap money by creating a cap friendly new contract/extension like other teams do.  They simply didn't want to because McDermott and Beane have repeatedly demonstrated how much they value the passing game.

 

As for the lame claim that "but they used that 2nd rounder to get Josh Allen", that's plain stupid.  Watkins was traded after the first preseason game, which was long before there was any kind of clear picture of how good or bad the Bills would be and long before the collegiate football season.  If McDermott/Beane decided that they were going to draft a QB in 2018 in July without knowing the candidates and made trades to do that, that's simply either being too clueless to believe or it's "money ball" as its most sinister.

 

 

 

[Ayjent]

8 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Is that 500 yards worth $16M a year?  That was my point.  I like Sammy, a lot.  But he isnt putting up the numbers to justify his paycheck.  And Cooks is doing a lot more in his first year with Goff than Watkins did.  

 

We dont miss his absence...we miss the absence of 3 Pro Bowl OL.  Thats the issue.  But MOST importantly...here is what no one seems to grasp.  Had we not traded Glenn, we would have had to trade THIS years First to get Allen.  Think about that.  It was a much better to move to keep this years first which will almost certainly be top 5 and could be top 3.  

 

We traded a 3rd for KB because we were in the thick of a playoff race.  Had we not been trying to make the playoffs, KB trade never happens.  And I applaud them for trying to do what they needed to get us there once it became clear that playoffs were a real possibility.  It didn't work out, but most people here liked the trade when it happened.  And Jordan's bad luck of injuries also forced their hand.  Had Jordan stayed healthy, we also wouldn't have had to try and make a move.  They got the best guy that was available last year.  And you know what, KB helped us make the playoffs, he made a couple key plays like in the snow game that helped us get there.  So cant fault them for that, it contributed to our breaking the 17 year drought. 

 

And who can blame them for taking a flyer on Coleman for a 7th?  Most everyone loved the move at the time.  And they didn't cut AJM, they traded him for a decent draft pick because NO ONE was gonna trade us a 5th for Peterman and they wanted to start Allen anyway.  They said multiple times the plan was to start Allen week 1, but his 3rd preseason game where he struggled and got dinged up gave them pause to see if they can prepare a little more before starting.  NP had a solid preseason then flopped...so they made the switch early.

 

Im not saying ultimately this all works out.  I am saying they haven't even begun the offensive rebuild yet outside Allen.  We won't truly know what kind of path we are on until we see the results of how they use 10 draft picks and 90M in cap space to work on the offense this off season.

Believing they haven't tried to rebuild the Offense through all of their moves is like telling yourself an incredibly bad looking preseason offense is just playing opossum until the regular season starts - and we know how that turns out.