Everyone that wanted TT gone, we told you

[dave mcbride]

4 minutes ago, CuddyDark said:

This is idiotic. KC knew they could never win a SB with Alex Smith but they were smart enough to keep him until they had something better.

Isn't the larger point that while SB aspirations are great and all, we're at the stage where we're wondering if they can get a td more than once every three games? Point being that SB aspirations as a lodestar is a purely theoretical exercise with a franchise that's this lousy.  Things that get bad often stay bad. I would have taken Allen and kept Taylor, which they could have easily done.

Edited November 5, 2018 by dave mcbride

[Dablitzkrieg]

10 hours ago, Dadonkadonk said:

We told you this would happen.  TT protected the ball and kept them in most games.  The most notable exception being the Saints game last year - but the defense gave up 300 yards rushing too.  We told you Peterman was garbage. We told you a rookie was going to throw more INTs.  Now you see how awful the talent is on this team.  

The defense is good enough to be .500 with a QB that isn't killing them.  Yes the OL is worse this year than last.  

Bit this disaster of a season sitsd squarely on the shoulders of Beane. He traded away Watkins and TT. He traded away Glenn. He replaced Wood with garbage. He replaced Incognito with a septic tank.

Beane has to go.  McD can stay another year.  I will still defend trading down and getting White and an extra #1.  Mahomes would not be putting up thje stats he is in KC with these idiots at OC and with the players Beane has surrounded his QB with.

We told you this would happen and it has.  

Now listen to us again.  Beane has got to go.  He can not be trusted with another off season of free agency and the draft. 

How many of you are there in that head of yours?

[JPP]

In the same arguement we should of kept Fitz as well way back than.....but he no longer was in our future plans as was Tyrod......what they shouldnt have done is double down on Peterman along with a rookie as  your options.........that was/is the worst coaching decision i can remember ever seeing........pure amateur hour and we are seeing the results of this week after week.....we should of tried to get better options way back in the off season when they were availabile .....along with line men, WR's etc but those 2 idiots were pooling every single resource into the defence

[Teddy KGB]

20 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

 

Not really the point at all, but carry on!

 

It is the point.     He is terrible and we obtained draft capital for him 

[CuddyDark]

1 minute ago, dave mcbride said:

Isn't the larger point that while SB aspirations are great and all, we're at the stage where we're wondering if they can get a td more than once every three games. Point being that SB aspirations as a lodestar is a purely theoretical exercise with a franchise that's this lousy.  Things that get bad often stay bad. I would have taken Allen and kept Taylor, which they could have easily done.

Same. Keep Taylor. Play Allen when the offense is struggling, build his confidence on the field and start him the last three or four games.

2 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

It is the point.     He is terrible and we obtained draft capital for him 

Terrible in relation to what? What we have or league starter standard?

[dave mcbride]

1 minute ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

It is the point.     He is terrible and we obtained draft capital for him 

Quantify his terribleness using dvoa and other accepted metrics for judging qb and team offense play between 2015-17 (hint - raw passing yards ain’t one of them).

[BigPappy]

10 hours ago, Dadonkadonk said:

We told you this would happen.  TT protected the ball and kept them in most games.  The most notable exception being the Saints game last year - but the defense gave up 300 yards rushing too.  We told you Peterman was garbage. We told you a rookie was going to throw more INTs.  Now you see how awful the talent is on this team.  

The defense is good enough to be .500 with a QB that isn't killing them.  Yes the OL is worse this year than last.  

Bit this disaster of a season sitsd squarely on the shoulders of Beane. He traded away Watkins and TT. He traded away Glenn. He replaced Wood with garbage. He replaced Incognito with a septic tank.

Beane has to go.  McD can stay another year.  I will still defend trading down and getting White and an extra #1.  Mahomes would not be putting up thje stats he is in KC with these idiots at OC and with the players Beane has surrounded his QB with.

We told you this would happen and it has.  

Now listen to us again.  Beane has got to go.  He can not be trusted with another off season of free agency and the draft. 

 So what you're saying is that this team's only issue is QB play at this point? If you truly believe that then i question your ability to understand football. QB play is only a very small part of the issue for this team. Poor O-Line play has been a huge factor in the offenses woes though I will say they played fairly well against the pass yesterday. Not great but very well. There were times where Peterman has a TON of time to through. Which brings us to another issue.... our receivers. We have no number one receiver and frankly they all suck. The Bears played man to man all day because Peterman is no threat with his arm or his legs, and our receivers are so bad they can't get separation. It is the offense as a whole that is the problem. The line is starting to Gel and when Allen is back things will improve....to a point. But with no receivers it will only go so far. This year is a wash so get use to losing. We have 10 picks in next years draft. I expect a run on quality offensive players with a sprinkle of defensive guys to replenish for depth and a big push in FA with all the cap space coming. 

 

I don't understand complaining about the loss of Watkins or Glenn either. Watkins was not buying into the "TEAM" or McD's system and did not want to be here. Why would you not trade him? Not to mention what has he done since he left? It's not like he is lighting the NFL on fire with his spectacular play and catches. And as for Glenn, good ridden's. He couldn't even stay on the field because he was always hurt.

[Kevin1778]

Tyrod is a backup on a 2 win team. That is all you need to know about Tyrod. Paying him $10m to quarterback the Bills to 2 wins would not have been smart. The Bills have a QB. Josh Allen.

[Pirate Angel]

2 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

Lol your name creates so many questions. The explanation for that, even if it's just, I was drunk when I made the username is probably more interesting than those threads.

 

So did you get tazed in your face?

 

[JPP]

2 minutes ago, Kevin1778 said:

Tyrod is a backup on a 2 win team. That is all you need to know about Tyrod. Paying him $10m to quarterback the Bills to 2 wins would not have been smart. The Bills have a QB. Josh Allen.

The issue or argument on this thread im t hinink is who would be the better gap for Allen.....because the options we have now is clearly not......not even close.....tyrod as a 1 year gap would of been an upgrade compared to Peterman no doubt about it.......IMO they should of cut bait with Peterman and brought someone in (a vet) early in the offseason.......

[Teddy KGB]

14 minutes ago, CuddyDark said:

 

Terrible in relation to what? What we have or league starter standard?

 

12 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Quantify his terribleness using dvoa and other accepted metrics for judging qb and team offense play between 2015-17 (hint - raw passing yards ain’t one of them).

 

Hint.    Let’s get current and quit blocking the hard truth from entering the COT stained glass windows 

 

Embarrassing performances vs the Panthers/Saints/Bengals/Jags/Pats x 2 for the Bills in 17 

 

Lets follow that up with a tie with a plus 6 turnover differential and a 19 yard benching by week 2.5 for the poor Browns.  

 

Get current guy.       He is trash and gugny is right about him. 

 

You can keep dreaming about 2015 when Gilleslie and Mccoy carried the bum. 

 

 

 

Edited November 5, 2018 by Teddy KGB

[nedboy7]

6 minutes ago, Kevin1778 said:

Tyrod is a backup on a 2 win team. That is all you need to know about Tyrod. Paying him $10m to quarterback the Bills to 2 wins would not have been smart. The Bills have a QB. Josh Allen.

 

Tyrod went to the playoffs. You must be unable to think that far into the past.  He would have been perfect for this year. But yeah. I hope you are imenjoying the moronic decisions of the front office. It sounds like you are. 

[Teddy KGB]

2 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

 

Tyrod went to the playoffs. You must be unable to think that far into the past.  He would have been perfect for this year. But yeah. I hope you are imenjoying the moronic decisions of the front office. It sounds like you are. 

 

He was way perfect this year 

 

 

 

???????

 

Thats enough, lock this thing.      These boys are confused 

Edited November 5, 2018 by Teddy KGB

[dave mcbride]

2 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

 

Hint.    Let’s get current and quit blocking the hard truth from entering the COT stained glass windows 

 

Embarrassing performances vs the Panthers/Saints/Bengals/Jags/Pats x 2 for the Bills in 17 

 

Lets follow that up with a tie with a plus 6 turnover differential and a 19 yard benching by week 2.5 for the poor Browns.  

 

Get current guy.       He is trash and gugny is right about him. 

 

You can keep dreaming about 2015 when Gilleslie and Mccoy carried the bum. 

 

 

 

At least *try* to answer the question using accepted statistical measures rather than cherry picking individual games!!! And when did I ask about the Browns??

 

Man. This board gets depressing.

[sugashane69]

10 hours ago, VaMilBill said:

Ultimately the goal is to win a super bowl. Tyrod will never get any team to a super bowl barring some amazing play from defense, ST and a rushing attack. Our goal wasn’t to be 7-9 to 9-7 every year hoping we squeak into the playoffs. 

 

Peterman won’t either get us a SB neither . But Peterman will help us get a high draft pick then we can move forward. Sometimes you need to take a few steps back before you can improve the previous status quo

That's all we ever done since the early 90s. 2 steps fwd 10 steps back!

[Teddy KGB]

Just now, dave mcbride said:

At least *try* to answer the question using accepted statistical measures rather than cherry picking individual games!!! And when did I ask about the Browns??

 

Man. This board gets depressing.

 

I have eyeballs.    You can cling to statistical measures, he was ???? back then too 

 

watch the games 

[MAJBobby]

Wouldnt it have been nice to have Pat Mahomes running this offense this year after a year behind Taylor last year??

 

instead of Allen with this clown show McD established on offense?

[dave mcbride]

Just now, Teddy KGB said:

 

I have eyeballs.    You can cling to statistical measures, he was ???? back then too 

 

watch the games 

Ah, the ol’ eyeball metric. Now we know we’ve reached rock bottom. I’m out.

[Teddy KGB]

22 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Ah, the ol’ eyeball metric. Now we know we’ve reached rock bottom. I’m out.

 

19 yards and a benching vs the jets is rock bottom.      

Edited November 5, 2018 by Teddy KGB

[nedboy7]

It must be hard to hate tyrod and have to stick to your pathetic illogical BS to justify defending this regime and product which is making the fan base sick. 

[billsfan1959]

1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:

Wouldnt it have been nice to have Pat Mahomes running this offense this year after a year behind Taylor last year??

 

instead of Allen with this clown show McD established on offense?

I liked Mahomes and was in favor of drafting him. But they didn't. End of story. We now have Allen and I would like to see what he does with some real talent around him. Wallowing in what could have been and what should have been is pointless.

 

BTW, I am sure Mahomes would look exactly like he does in KC if he were here running for his life behind this OL and throwing to Andre Holmes.

[nedboy7]

10 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

19 yards vs the jets is rock bottom.     Sorry for your loss.  

 

It’s hard to argue with your logic. Cause it’s not logical. 

4 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

I liked Mahomes and was in favor of drafting him. But they didn't. End of story. We now have Allen and I would like to see what he does with some real talent around him. Wallowing in what could have been and what should have been is pointless.

 

BTW, I am sure Mahomes would look exactly like he does in KC if he were here running for his life behind this OL and throwing to Andre Holmes.

 

I would like to see the front office without jobs this spring. Hey we can both hope. 

14 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

He was way perfect this year 

 

 

 

???????

 

Thats enough, lock this thing.      These boys are confused 

 

You better hope they lock this thing. You got to stop embarrassing yourself somehow. 

Edited November 5, 2018 by nedboy7

[MAJBobby]

4 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

I liked Mahomes and was in favor of drafting him. But they didn't. End of story. We now have Allen and I would like to see what he does with some real talent around him. Wallowing in what could have been and what should have been is pointless.

 

BTW, I am sure Mahomes would look exactly like he does in KC if he were here running for his life behind this OL and throwing to Andre Holmes.

 

Well thats true they would have killed Mahomes as a QB too with the offense they build and a WR coach as his QB coach. 

[billsfan1959]

2 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

I would like to see the front office without jobs this spring. Hey we can both hope. 

Thanks for clarifying. I wasn't quite certain what you meant in your previous 1000 "fire everyone" posts

1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:

 

Well thats true they would have killed Mahomes as a QB too with the offense they build and a WR coach as his QB coach. 

Not disagreeing. I will wait to see what happens this off-season and next year. Hopefully they put some real talent around Allen and he begins showing he could be that franchise guy. If not, it will probably be on to the next regime.

[Teddy KGB]

10 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

 

It’s hard to argue with your logic. Cause it’s not logical. 

 

I would like to see the front office without jobs this spring. Hey we can both hope. 

 

You better hope they lock this thing. You got to stop embarrassing yourself somehow. 

 

Whats the not logical part ?      The part where you and the other Tyrod stans pretend he didn’t get benched after 2 games ????. 

 

This COT reunion is fun and all but get serious guy.    That’s 16 million worth of ???. 

[buffaloboyinATL]

We were not going anywhere with Tyrod. We HAD to take a step (or a few steps) backwards to move forward. I have no idea if it will work or not, a lot will depend on Allen, but it had to be done.

[nedboy7]

9 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

Whats the not logical part ?      The part where you and the other Tyrod stans pretend he didn’t get benched after 2 games ????. 

 

This COT reunion is fun and all but get serious guy.    That’s 16 million worth of ???. 

 

The fact that you think this team is better now than w tyrod warrants no response. Speaks for itself. Enjoy the show. 

17 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

Thanks for clarifying. I wasn't quite certain what you meant in your previous 1000 "fire everyone" posts

Not disagreeing. I will wait to see what happens this off-season and next year. Hopefully they put some real talent around Allen and he begins showing he could be that franchise guy. If not, it will probably be on to the next regime.

 

Yeah cause your tyrod bashing BS is so original. If you think this is a better team without him that’s your right. It’s not a crime to think the earth is flat.

Edited November 5, 2018 by nedboy7

[Gunsgoodtime]

10 hours ago, matter2003 said:

 

The problem is Tyrod was average at best. You don't cling to average if you want to be a perennial playoff team. You go try and improve. Maybe it works may be it doesn't but I'd rather swing and miss than stand there trying to draw a walk every at bat.

I will take average at this point

[Teddy KGB]

1 minute ago, nedboy7 said:

 

The fact that you think this team is better now than w tyrod warrants no response. Speaks for itself. Enjoy the show. 

 

K, you’re in favor of paying 16 mil for 2.5 games of football from Taylor ??

 

 

 

 

[BillsMafia13]

They should have a line of auditions like American Idol.  Each person gets 1 drive at running the offense and we rotate until next year.  Saves JA, puts on a show, involves the fans, give me something to do Sunday afternoons.  Im already a better offense GM

[row_33]

57 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

 

Tyrod went to the playoffs. You must be unable to think that far into the past.  He would have been perfect for this year. But yeah. I hope you are imenjoying the moronic decisions of the front office. It sounds like you are. 

 

everyone with any football knowledge laughs at calling that "playoffs"

 

 

[Real McClappy]

Didn't Tyrod lead the league in sacks like 2 years in a row under a above average O-line? Even if Tyrod was here with our current O-line and no running game our record would be the same as it is now if not worse. Tyrod would have been snapped in 2 already and out as well. 

 

 

[thunderingsquid]

Hey, if TT is not a Child of God then he has no business being on this team.

[row_33]

In TT's defense, he sat there mute and took whatever was dished out to him in his experience here

 

that takes a lot of courage or a lack of anything going on internally at all

 

 

[billsfan1959]

20 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

Yeah cause your tyrod bashing BS is so original. If you think this is a better team without him that’s your right. It’s not a crime to think the earth is flat.

Actually, I have never posted anything even remotely close to bashing Tyrod. I wrote in an earlier post that I don't believe this team would be battling for a playoff spot even with Tyrod. I have also written that I have not bought into the process, nor am I in favor of firing everyone at this point. 

 

I am not sure if you simply have a reading comprehension issue or if, in your quest to spew your emotional outbursts at so many posters, you can't keep straight who posted what.

 

But, hey, carry on your crusade if it makes you feel better.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

18 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

Didn't Tyrod lead the league in sacks like 2 years in a row under a above average O-line? Even if Tyrod was here with our current O-line and no running game our record would be the same as it is now if not worse. Tyrod would have been snapped in 2 already and out as well. 

 

 

eeehhhh   I'd have to look it up. 

 

 But I do recall he had an average of about 3 sacks per game. (some games were partial participation due to benching or injury) 

 

Close 

PLAYER SACKED  2017
1 Jacoby Brissett 52 
2 Matthew Stafford 47 
3 Tyrod Taylor 46 Bills

 

PLAYER SACKED  2016

1 Tyrod Taylor 42
2 Russell Wilson 41
2 Andy Dalton 41 
2 Andrew Luck 41 

 

2015 - Tay Tay was  not in the top 10

Edited November 5, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan
added stats

[BuffaloHokie13]

8 minutes ago, row_33 said:

In TT's defense, he sat there mute and took whatever was dished out to him in his experience here

 

that takes a lot of courage or a lack of anything going on internally at all

Sammy being dealt after he was finally healthy and they were working out together all spring and summer hurt a lot.

[Real McClappy]

2 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

eeehhhh   I'd have to look it up. 

 

 But I do recall he had an average of about 3 sacks per game. (some games were partial participation due to benching or injury) 

He lead in sacks 2016 (42 sacks) and 3rd in 2017 (46 sacks). 2017 only had 14 game starts though so would have taken the crown if he started all 16 games.

 

He would have been absolutely destroyed behind our current line with a poor running game like it is now. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

11 minutes ago, row_33 said:

In TT's defense, he sat there mute and took whatever was dished out to him in his experience here

 

that takes a lot of courage or a lack of anything going on internally at all

 

Another way to look at it - 

Sammy is gone because of TT

Robert Woods is gone because of TT

Chris Hogan is gone because of TT

 

All 3 are contributing on winning teams. 

1 minute ago, Real McCoy said:

He lead in sacks 2016 (42 sacks) and 3rd in 2017 (46 sacks). 2017 only had 14 game starts though so would have taken the crown if he started all 16 games.

 

He would have been absolutely destroyed behind our current line with a poor running game like it is now. 

I edited it before you posted this 

 

[BuffaloHokie13]

7 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Close 

PLAYER SACKED  2017
1 Jacoby Brissett 52 
2 Matthew Stafford 47 
3 Tyrod Taylor 46 Bills

 

PLAYER SACKED  2016

1 Tyrod Taylor 42
2 Russell Wilson 41
2 Andy Dalton 41 
2 Andrew Luck 41 

 

2015 - Tay Tay was  not in the top 10

I checked cumulative as well. from 2015-2017 he was sacked 124 times (3rd most behind Russ Wilson (129) and Matt Stafford (128)). Both had significantly more pass attempts, so I checked Sack %. TT was high there at 9.12%, but still in 3rd place (qualifier of 500+ attempts) behind Kaepernick (10.02%) and Jacby Brissett (9.97%).