BADOLBILZ Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 In the coming months we are going to hear a lot about how McD and Beane need more time to execute their plan etc.. and how outrageous it would be to let them go before they have 3-5 years to execute or fail miserably at their objective. We used to hear the "Bills need to give (insert coach name) more time" over and over as an excuse for not firing them for poor performance.............and the example used was Belichick being let go by the Browns when they moved to Baltimore. But really........how many NFL HC's have been fired and then gone on to make that team regret it in the last 25 years? Can't think of many. Washington firing Marty Schottenheimer after 2001? Otherwise I can't even think of any. Even situations like the Eagles firing Andy Reid that seemed *possibly* ill advised based on past record have not proven to have been mistakes. Seems to me that nowadays teams can get a VERY GOOD idea of the potential of a HC/GM in a pretty short amount of time on the job. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 It's kind of like the question about what QBs have been ruined by starting to soon. It's kind of hard to tell with any degree of accuracy because we don't know what might have happened otherwise. 5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 The Browns and Belicheat ? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 I don't disagree with your premise, but Bill Belichick is a glaring anomaly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 I think McDaniels will end up being that when he gets another chance. He’s a good coach he just wasn’t a good talent evaluator with Tebow 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 49ers with Harbaugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 The rule Belichick applies to players to let them go a year early and not a year late should apply to HCs and GMs. They have so much power that letting them continue a flawed plan only makes more work for the next leadership group. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 SInce Mcd isnt getting fired.....I dont know why this is even a question 2 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 The whining is at epic proportions. Everyone on this board, every single person, knows there are no firings coming. Yet we are deluged with these same type threads on a constant basis. 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: I don't disagree with your premise, but Bill Belichick is a glaring anomaly. Art Modell messed that one up. Although he did do okay with Billick. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 5 minutes ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said: 49ers with Harbaugh. Harbaugh was a headcase Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Rex is NOT the correct answer. Of THAT I am sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 It’s a valid question, and as with any Head Coach it’s about 99% chance McD gets fired by the Bills at some point. When that will be is anyone’s guess, but how much patience should the Pegula’s have ? My guess is they go all out this offseason and try to adresss the myriad problems on offense. That should include a new OC and QB coach. It’s not out of the question that he could be fired before the end of 2019 season if things don’t trend upward greatly in that area. Right now, the probability of plugging all the holes on the offensive side seems remote. It will take a big leap in performance by Allen to make it happen. I think the Beane and McD combo is shown the door immediately following next season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Cleveland obviously gave up on Hue Jackson way too early! They'll regret that decision! Just kidding. 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 6 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: The whining is at epic proportions. Everyone on this board, every single person, knows there are no firings coming. Yet we are deluged with these same type threads on a constant basis. To be fair, the current Bills offense is performing at an all time franchise worst level. Fans are naturally irate, and firings should be a serious consideration by team ownership. 14 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: I don't disagree with your premise, but Bill Belichick is a glaring anomaly. Yep. I’m not certain that Modell messed that one up. He got a Super Bowl win, and the Belichick we know today only happened because of two things: Mo Lewis and Tom Brady. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 6 minutes ago, Augie said: Rex is NOT the correct answer. Of THAT I am sure. I am sure that I am one of the few on this board who disagrees with you. As much as I love the Pegulas, it was idiotic to get rid of the most successful coach since Wade in less than two years (and after being undermined by leaks throwing him under the bus since before the second regular season and on the day of big games). Just my two cents. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 7 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: It’s a valid question, and as with any Head Coach it’s about 99% chance McD gets fired by the Bills at some point. When that will be is anyone’s guess, but how much patience should the Pegula’s have ? My guess is they go all out this offseason and try to adresss the myriad problems on offense. That should include a new OC and QB coach. It’s not out of the question that he could be fired before the end of 2019 season if things don’t trend upward greatly in that area. Right now, the probability of plugging all the holes on the offensive side seems remote. It will take a big leap in performance by Allen to make it happen. I think the Beane and McD combo is shown the door immediately following next season. I think they have next year.....everything seems to be cumulating to next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 1 minute ago, Peter said: I am sure that I am one of the few on this board who disagrees with you. As much as I love the Pegulas, it was idiotic to get rid of the most successful coach since Wade in less than two years (and after being undermined by leaks throwing him under the bus since before the second regular season and on the day of big games). Just my two cents. He’s only one step above Gruden to me. To each their own! (Football aside, I’m not big on loud mouth look at me people.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 6 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: To be fair, the current Bills offense is performing at an all time franchise worst level. Fans are naturally irate, and firings should be a serious consideration by team ownership. Yep. I’m not certain that Modell messed that one up. He got a Super Bowl win, and the Belichick we know today only happened because of two things: Mo Lewis and Tom Brady. Belichick had a good thing going with Cleveland and would have likely enjoyed sustained success in Baltimore. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 1 minute ago, Augie said: He’s only one step above Gruden to me. To each their own! (Football aside, I’m not big on loud mouth look at me people.) To each his own. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: To be fair, the current Bills offense is performing at an all time franchise worst level. Fans are naturally irate, and firings should be a serious consideration by team ownership. Yep. I’m not certain that Modell messed that one up. He got a Super Bowl win, and the Belichick we know today only happened because of two things: Mo Lewis and Tom Brady. You know, that brings up a really interesting thought. What kind of coach would Bill Belichick even be if not for Brady? He had the one season with Matt Cassel where they went 10-6, but that's not enough of a sample size to say definitively one way or the other. It's not an original thought, but I'm sure he'd love to win a ring without Brady. Obviously the whole Jimmy G thing has been discussed to death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 31 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: The whining is at epic proportions. Everyone on this board, every single person, knows there are no firings coming. Yet we are deluged with these same type threads on a constant basis. Says the one whining of others whining! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 The Chargers dumping Marty and Brees was epic stupidity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 27 minutes ago, Fadingpain said: Cleveland obviously gave up on Hue Jackson way too early! They'll regret that decision! Just kidding. Well actually with Greg W taking over they just might Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 24 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: SInce Mcd isnt getting fired.....I dont know why this is even a question You're assertion is exactly why OP posed the question. Is there a counter argument or examples that refute it? One that I can think of is Joe Torre, but that's a different sport. By and large he was a failure as a manager for the Mets, Braves and Cardinals, but became a genius as manager of the Yankees (and yes, the last part is sarcasm). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 What exactly did the Bucs accomplish by dumping Lovie Smith? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Just now, stuvian said: The Chargers dumping Marty and Brees was epic stupidity Brees didn't become a great QB until he hooked up with Sean Payton who brought out his best. The Chargers have done well by having Rivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Brees didn't become a great QB until he hooked up with Sean Payton who brought out his best. The Chargers have done well by having Rivers. I must have missed those meaningful games Rivers has won 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 1 minute ago, stuvian said: I must have missed those meaningful games Rivers has won It takes the right QB along with other players in addition to coacching. I must have missed the meaningful games Marty won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 6 minutes ago, pop gun said: Says the one whining of others whining! I made a statement of fact. You know McDermott isn't getting fired. What is the purpose of continuing to start threads like this, if not to just whine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: It takes the right QB along with other players in addition to coacching. I must have missed the meaningful games Marty won. Marty got let go after coaching the Bolts to 14 - 2 and losing to the Pats in the post season 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 6 minutes ago, SinceThe70s said: You're assertion is exactly why OP posed the question. Is there a counter argument or examples that refute it? One that I can think of is Joe Torre, but that's a different sport. By and large he was a failure as a manager for the Mets, Braves and Cardinals, but became a genius as manager of the Yankees (and yes, the last part is sarcasm). Belichick Pete Carroll Andy Reid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins Malone Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 42 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: The whining is at epic proportions. Everyone on this board, every single person, knows there are no firings coming. Yet we are deluged with these same type threads on a constant basis. Exactly. I get people are frustrated but these guys arent getting fired so why do we keep talking about it. This regime just drafted what they hope is their future QB. They arent going anywhere. People can complain all they want...it will make no difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 One that comes to mind is Eric Mangini. The Titans should not have fired Mularkey either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Just now, stuvian said: Marty got let go after coaching the Bolts to 14 - 2 and losing to the Pats in the post season He couldn't get over the hump in CLE, KC, SD, or WAS. Too much Marty ball at the wrong times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins Malone Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 9 minutes ago, SinceThe70s said: You're assertion is exactly why OP posed the question. Is there a counter argument or examples that refute it? One that I can think of is Joe Torre, but that's a different sport. By and large he was a failure as a manager for the Mets, Braves and Cardinals, but became a genius as manager of the Yankees (and yes, the last part is sarcasm). Yes but hes posing the question because he wants McD to get fired. It's the samething as another fire McD thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 I think Al Saunders getting named interim Browns coach for 6 hours counts as letting a coach go too soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Didn’t Marty Schottenheimer win his last 8 games in Washington, then get fired? Maybe Wade is a better DC than HC, but...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Belichick Pete Carroll Andy Reid I'll give you Belichick and Carroll, but Reid was hardly a guy who was fired too soon. I mean they gave the guy what, 16 years? Reid is solid, but I think the premise of this thread is a good one. VERY seldom does a coach get fired "too quickly." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Any Browns coach between Eric Mangini and Hue Jackson had a snowballs chance in hell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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