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When was the last time an NFL team gave up on a HC too soon?


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In the coming months we are going to hear a lot about how McD and Beane need more time to execute their plan etc.. and how outrageous it would be to let them go before they have 3-5 years to execute or fail miserably at their objective.

 

We used to hear the "Bills need to give (insert coach name) more time"  over and over as an excuse for not firing them for poor performance.............and the example used was Belichick being let go by the Browns when they moved to Baltimore.

 

But really........how many NFL HC's have been fired and then gone on to make that team regret it in the last 25 years?

 

Can't think of many.

 

Washington firing Marty Schottenheimer after 2001?

 

Otherwise I can't even think of any.

 

Even situations like the Eagles firing Andy Reid that seemed *possibly* ill advised based on past record have not proven to have been mistakes.

 

Seems to me that nowadays teams can get a VERY GOOD idea of the potential of a HC/GM in a pretty short amount of time on the job.

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The rule Belichick applies to players  to let them go a year early and not a year late should apply to HCs and GMs.  They have so much power that letting them continue a flawed plan only makes more work for the next leadership group.  

 

 

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It’s a valid question, and as with any Head Coach it’s about 99% chance McD gets fired by the Bills at some point. When that will be is anyone’s guess, but how much patience should the Pegula’s have ? My guess is they go all out this offseason and try to adresss the myriad problems on offense. That should include a new OC and QB coach. It’s not out of the question that he could be fired before the end of 2019 season if things don’t trend upward greatly in that area. Right now, the probability of plugging all the holes on the offensive side seems remote. It will take a big leap in performance by Allen to make it happen. I think the Beane and McD combo is shown the door immediately following next season. 

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6 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

The whining is at epic proportions.  Everyone on this board, every single person, knows there are no firings coming.  Yet we are deluged with these same type threads on a constant basis.

To be fair, the current Bills offense is performing at an all time franchise worst level. Fans are naturally irate, and firings should be a serious consideration by team ownership. 

14 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

I don't disagree with your premise, but Bill Belichick is a glaring anomaly. 

Yep. I’m not certain that Modell messed that one up. He got a Super Bowl win, and the Belichick we know today only happened because of two things: Mo Lewis and Tom Brady. 

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6 minutes ago, Augie said:

Rex is NOT the correct answer. Of THAT I am sure. 

 

I am sure that I am one of the few on this board who disagrees with you.

 

As much as I love the Pegulas, it was idiotic to get rid of the most successful coach since Wade in less than two years (and after being undermined by leaks throwing him under the bus since before the second regular season and on the day of big games).

 

Just my two cents.

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7 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

It’s a valid question, and as with any Head Coach it’s about 99% chance McD gets fired by the Bills at some point. When that will be is anyone’s guess, but how much patience should the Pegula’s have ? My guess is they go all out this offseason and try to adresss the myriad problems on offense. That should include a new OC and QB coach. It’s not out of the question that he could be fired before the end of 2019 season if things don’t trend upward greatly in that area. Right now, the probability of plugging all the holes on the offensive side seems remote. It will take a big leap in performance by Allen to make it happen. I think the Beane and McD combo is shown the door immediately following next season. 

I think they have next year.....everything seems to be cumulating to next year.

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1 minute ago, Peter said:

 

I am sure that I am one of the few on this board who disagrees with you.

 

As much as I love the Pegulas, it was idiotic to get rid of the most successful coach since Wade in less than two years (and after being undermined by leaks throwing him under the bus since before the second regular season and on the day of big games).

 

Just my two cents.

 

He’s only one step above Gruden to me. To each their own! 

 

(Football aside, I’m not big on loud mouth look at me people.) 

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6 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

To be fair, the current Bills offense is performing at an all time franchise worst level. Fans are naturally irate, and firings should be a serious consideration by team ownership. 

Yep. I’m not certain that Modell messed that one up. He got a Super Bowl win, and the Belichick we know today only happened because of two things: Mo Lewis and Tom Brady. 

 

Belichick had a good thing going with Cleveland and would have likely enjoyed sustained success in Baltimore. 

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3 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

To be fair, the current Bills offense is performing at an all time franchise worst level. Fans are naturally irate, and firings should be a serious consideration by team ownership. 

Yep. I’m not certain that Modell messed that one up. He got a Super Bowl win, and the Belichick we know today only happened because of two things: Mo Lewis and Tom Brady. 

You know, that brings up a really interesting thought. What kind of coach would Bill Belichick even be if not for Brady? He had the one season with Matt Cassel where they went 10-6, but that's not enough of a sample size to say definitively one way or the other.

 

It's not an original thought, but I'm sure he'd love to win a ring without Brady. Obviously the whole Jimmy G thing has been discussed to death.

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31 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

The whining is at epic proportions.  Everyone on this board, every single person, knows there are no firings coming.  Yet we are deluged with these same type threads on a constant basis.

Says the one whining of others whining!

 

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24 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

SInce Mcd isnt getting fired.....I dont know why this is even a question

 

You're assertion is exactly why OP posed the question.

 

Is there a counter argument or examples that refute it? 

 

One that I can think of is Joe Torre, but that's a different sport. By and large he was a failure as a manager for the Mets, Braves and Cardinals, but became a genius as manager of the Yankees (and yes, the last part is sarcasm).

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1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Brees didn't become a great QB until he hooked up with Sean Payton who brought out his best.  The Chargers have done well by having Rivers.

I must have missed those meaningful games Rivers has won

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Just now, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

It takes the right QB along with other players in addition to coacching. I must have missed the meaningful games Marty won. 

Marty got let go after coaching the Bolts to 14 - 2 and losing to the Pats in the post season

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6 minutes ago, SinceThe70s said:

 

You're assertion is exactly why OP posed the question.

 

Is there a counter argument or examples that refute it? 

 

One that I can think of is Joe Torre, but that's a different sport. By and large he was a failure as a manager for the Mets, Braves and Cardinals, but became a genius as manager of the Yankees (and yes, the last part is sarcasm).

Belichick

Pete Carroll

Andy Reid

 

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42 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

The whining is at epic proportions.  Everyone on this board, every single person, knows there are no firings coming.  Yet we are deluged with these same type threads on a constant basis.

Exactly.  I get people are frustrated but these guys arent getting fired so why do we keep talking about it.  This regime just drafted what they hope is their future QB.  They arent going anywhere.  People can complain all they want...it will make no difference 

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9 minutes ago, SinceThe70s said:

 

You're assertion is exactly why OP posed the question.

 

Is there a counter argument or examples that refute it? 

 

One that I can think of is Joe Torre, but that's a different sport. By and large he was a failure as a manager for the Mets, Braves and Cardinals, but became a genius as manager of the Yankees (and yes, the last part is sarcasm).

Yes but hes posing the question because he wants McD to get fired.  It's the samething as another fire McD thread.

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3 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Belichick

Pete Carroll

Andy Reid

 

I'll give you Belichick and Carroll, but Reid was hardly a guy who was fired too soon. I mean they gave the guy what, 16 years? 

 

Reid is solid, but I think the premise of this thread is a good one. VERY seldom does a coach get fired "too quickly." 

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