oldmanfan Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 If Anderson is running the offense well, and we win a game or two, keep him out there and let Allen watch and absorb things. If not, then Allen goes back in as soon as he's ready and learns by playing and by having Anderson advise him. Six of one, half dozen of the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 12 hours ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said: Let's NEVER play him cause he might get hurt... Wtf this is football, anybody could get hurt on any play. Bad OL or Bernard Pollard rolling into Brady's knee, or Teddy Bridgewater literally just trying to drop back. He's a big boy and needs experience I agree he should be playing and gaining experience, especially since it looks like our coaching staff has no other real development plan for him. But it's ironic you are making this argument now, as he is dealing with a significant injury to his throwing elbow. Which is something we should all be concerned with since he is supposed to be the future of the franchise. The "good news", I guess, is that this injury is going to force him to sit for the next few weeks and give him a chance to re-group. I just hope they let him heal completely and don't rush him back, regardless of how much you and I want to see him playing and learning. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 3 hours ago, MikeSpeed said: Why Nathan Peterman should start the rest of the year... draft capital. a few teams are already a few weeks in their plan to sink to the bottom of the ocean before the Bills 2 wins now means 8th pick at best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 22 hours ago, TheElectricCompany said: If it's 2007 Derek Anderson, sure! I'll take it. If it's 2008-2018 Derek Anderson, of course not. He's been a nobody for a decade! We can gain nothing by playing him. Allen should start until the end of the 2019 season, no exceptions. I'm hardly an Anderson fan, but he did perform pretty well in sub duty in 2014: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/McCaA.00/gamelog/2015/. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 it's so crummy that Anderson is seen as a Messiah and Saviour right now... send money... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 34 minutes ago, row_33 said: it's so crummy that Anderson is seen as a Messiah and Saviour right now... send money... I dont think "Better than Peterman" is equivalent to "Messiah". Not sure anyone expects him to even go .500, but at least he wont lob softballs to the other team (hopefully). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 (edited) 15 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: I dont think "Better than Peterman" is equivalent to "Messiah". Not sure anyone expects him to even go .500, but at least he wont lob softballs to the other team (hopefully). there is absolutely no reason to celebrate or find this good news if you want this team to come close to winning another game this season (pending he can show he still has something in him) he hasn't been a #1 QB since 2010 Edited October 17, 2018 by row_33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheElectricCompany Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 The guy hasn't been relevant since Borat. OBD has nobody to blame but themselves for letting it get this bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 Based on Allen's injury and the speculated timeline I suspect Mr. Anderson will be our starter at least through the bye week. Depending how we've looked through then will give us a much better picture on who should be the starter for the rest of the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 Much like a car wreck you can’t look away from, in some twisted way, i wsh the Bills would keep rolling out Peterman, game after game. lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 .......could be Bflo's "Earl Morrall"................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 Just now, LabattBlue said: Much like a car wreck you can’t look away from, in some twisted way, i wsh the Bills would keep rolling out Peterman, game after game. lol I think there would be a good chance I would end up with an extremely rare UCL injury after elbowing a wall too hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 Of course you are 100% correct but more important.....I hope all is well!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 I'll say this: if Anderson comes in and does reasonably well in not having a full knowledge of the Offense and not in "game shape" whatever that means for a QB (not disparaging, just don't know really), and the Bills pull off a win, I think Anderson should be considered to play every week. I know it's week to week, but that would be quite the feat to do in such a short window of time. Also, playing on Monday Night Football against the Pats won't be too big for him since he's a rugged Vet. Again, we'll see....but I'm at least open to the idea based on his performance in Indy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 On 10/15/2018 at 10:45 PM, DrDawkinstein said: Dude, it's beyond that. Cutting Fitz (Trading Tyrod) without having a replacement drafted, and being in need of a vet QB to play for one more year while the project QB sits. Signing Kolb (McCarron) who then doesnt make it for whatever reasons Not having the proper staff to develop a project QB Throwing EJ (Allen) in immediately Injured Knee (Elbow) in Week 5 (6) knocks him out. Derails what little development was occurring. Wash. Rinse. Repeat. Fitz was still worse because we accelerated dead money. Tyrod at least we got a pick and saved cash. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbarg12 Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 I think having Allen sitting on the sideline and getting a chance to just watch the game and analyze with coaches and Anderson after the plays may help slow the game down for him a bit. But once he is healthy they definitely need to put him back as the starter. Let him get the reps for the rest of the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevWarRifleman Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 Disagree. The only thing Allen will learn on the sidelines is how to hold a clipboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfanAZ Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 I think it depends on how the offense looks with Anderson at the helm. If the offense is productive then Anderson stays....especially if he looks good and pulls off a win over the Pats. I think at that point the team looks for wins and not development. If the offense is struggling then Allen plays when he is healthy even if the Bills win a game. It is tough for Allen because he has face a lot of good defenses and now moving forward the Bills face some lower ranked defenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuoteTheRaven83 Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 (edited) On 10/16/2018 at 8:49 PM, JoeF said: If I give you a dollar will you buy an IQ... Nahhh, Don't need it. I'm certain mine is already higher than yours. Which may not be saying much... LOL. I post a video, and you insult me. Thanks. LOL You kids amuse me. Edited October 18, 2018 by QuoteTheRaven83 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 Obviously we are back to the same question and everyone has basically stayed with their original beliefs. I am with the OP and have been since opening day. Allen needs to sit (or stand) and learn while DA does his best to execute the game plan. Now that we have seen Allen get injured which is inevitable and more likely playing with lesser pieces around him, it only confirms the rational belief that the process is going to shorten his career. Allen is a child in the NFL and most parents will tell you that there are life lessons to be learned but beatings and bullying are rarely effective. On 10/17/2018 at 12:48 PM, RevWarRifleman said: Disagree. The only thing Allen will learn on the sidelines is how to hold a clipboard. Like Mahomes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctk232 Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 (edited) 23 minutes ago, iinii said: Obviously we are back to the same question and everyone has basically stayed with their original beliefs. I am with the OP and have been since opening day. Allen needs to sit (or stand) and learn while DA does his best to execute the game plan. Now that we have seen Allen get injured which is inevitable and more likely playing with lesser pieces around him, it only confirms the rational belief that the process is going to shorten his career. Allen is a child in the NFL and most parents will tell you that there are life lessons to be learned but beatings and bullying are rarely effective. Like Mahomes? Agreed - just let him sit and learn as was intended all along. He was never going to start this year, and he certainly wasn't going to learn in-game with the team they had going into the season. Based upon the moves made this past offseason, including setting up the cap and collecting draft capital, meant that they were planning to make large moves in the upcoming offseason. It's no secret we started the rebuild last year, and unexpectedly made the playoffs, but we need to stop letting that guide our expectations. This is what this year was always supposed to look like. With one exception: Allen was meant to be on the sidelines, developing his game experience through observation, and working on his development in practice/offseason workouts. As much as the kid needs to develop his pre-snap reads, he also needs to work on his footwork and pocket behavior - these are things a green rookie from the mountain west would learn in repeated practices, in addition to having another offseason before putting it all into practice in 2019. The other thing he would have is a team built using cap space and draft capital that would be infinitely more competitive than the group he currently has. This was the scenario I was reserving judgement for, and still reserving it for. It doesn't mean he can't take in-game reps this season, but pick the moments you give him exposure - not necessarily meaningless drives, but scripting a string of plays to focus on his development in a specific area whether it be pre-snap reads, footwork/dropbacks, staying in the pocket, timing routes, accuracy, etc. Edited October 18, 2018 by ctk232 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted October 23, 2018 Author Share Posted October 23, 2018 I admit to being a little surprised by how may folks seem to be looking at this through the lens of what gives the Bills the best chance right now. The truth is the Bills have no chance right now. There is no QB on planet Earth available to them that can turn this team into a winner this year. It's simply not in the realm of reality and it's time to stop considering it as a possibility when deciding how to move forward. It's already past time to just protect your investment by giving him regular repetitions during the week and then letting him stand on the sidelines and listen to the entire staff running the offense through a headset in real time on Sundays. Maybe later in the season when his fundamentals are a little more solid, you let him run the offense in managed situations to get some experience, but aside from that I think you just need to keep him healthy until next year when you have more talent around him and he's better prepared to take care of himself out there. On 10/18/2018 at 3:14 PM, ctk232 said: With one exception: Allen was meant to be on the sidelines, developing his game experience through observation, and working on his development in practice/offseason workouts. As much as the kid needs to develop his pre-snap reads, he also needs to work on his footwork and pocket behavior - these are things a green rookie from the mountain west would learn in repeated practices, in addition to having another offseason before putting it all into practice in 2019. The other thing he would have is a team built using cap space and draft capital that would be infinitely more competitive than the group he currently has. This was the scenario I was reserving judgement for, and still reserving it for. It doesn't mean he can't take in-game reps this season, but pick the moments you give him exposure - not necessarily meaningless drives, but scripting a string of plays to focus on his development in a specific area whether it be pre-snap reads, footwork/dropbacks, staying in the pocket, timing routes, accuracy, etc. Thank you for stating it more thoroughly and with more clarity than I've been able to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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