Democratic 2020 Presidential Primary Thread

[Tiberius]

The biggest problem facing Trump is that Democrats are not asleep at the wheel anymore. Many people either stayed home or just laughed and voted from Trump thinking, what could go wrong? 

 

Well, now the completely incompetent, hateful jerk of a president has been in full view for all to see, and a huge majority of Americans say they hate what they have seen. It's the opposite situation and then some of 2016. Voters didn't love Hillary and the right was energized. Today, the strong, good and true left is ready to vote against Trump. 

[row_33]

Where is Hillary today as she preps for her 2020 bid.

 

 

[KRC]

6 minutes ago, Koko78 said:

 

Yeah, but that doesn't bother me. How many words, that we use regularly, can we actually define if asked?

 

She did use the word correctly for her BS.

 

It's more along the lines of the entire interview. She said something. Didn't know what it meant. They started to spew other items without being able to back it up an any way. It shows that she is just repeating things without actually knowing what she is saying.

[IDBillzFan]

1 minute ago, row_33 said:

Where is Hillary today as she preps for her 2020 bid.

 

 

 

Playing pinochle with Ginsburg, I suspect.

[RochesterRob]

1 minute ago, row_33 said:

Where is Hillary today as she preps for her 2020 bid.

 

 

  Checking her super delegate fund account?

[Koko78]

1 minute ago, KRC said:

It shows that she is just repeating things without actually knowing what she is saying.

 

Which is why I called her stupid.

[RochesterRob]

7 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

The biggest problem facing Trump is that Democrats are not asleep at the wheel anymore. Many people either stayed home or just laughed and voted from Trump thinking, what could go wrong? 

 

Well, now the completely incompetent, hateful jerk of a president has been in full view for all to see, and a huge majority of Americans say they hate what they have seen. It's the opposite situation and then some of 2016. Voters didn't love Hillary and the right was energized. Today, the strong, good and true left is ready to vote against Trump. 

  The Democrats are not asleep at the wheel anymore?  You are not even trying anymore.  I know that the Soros cubicle farm has quotas but you have to try harder than this.

[row_33]

I would see packing it in totally on 2020 as a wise move for anyone with ambitions for a clear run in 2024.

 

 

[RochesterRob]

1 minute ago, row_33 said:

I would see packing it in totally on 2020 as a wise move for anyone with ambitions for a clear run in 2024.

 

 

  Hence Chelsea Clinton counting her Clinton Foundation money on a snowy New York afternoon.  She still needs to run for Congress in my mind for 2020 with the intent of a POTUS run 2024 or afterward.

[row_33]

10 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  Hence Chelsea Clinton counting her Clinton Foundation money on a snowy New York afternoon.  She still needs to run for Congress in my mind for 2020 with the intent of a POTUS run 2024 or afterward.

 

i wouldn't dismiss this outright

 

 

[RochesterRob]

10 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

i wouldn't dismiss this outright

 

 

  In my mind she is not out of 2020 until she misses the filing deadline in NY or RI or wherever she plans her start up.  It's not so much her outright but Hillary's ego run amok.  Kind of like a honor roll student's mother already having Harvard picked out for the kid even though the kid is in 8th grade.

 

  Chelsea will be 39 in a few weeks so it is no longer early in terms of making a Congressional run.  

Edited January 29, 2019 by RochesterRob

[IDBillzFan]

4 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  The Democrats are not asleep at the wheel anymore?  You are not even trying anymore.  I know that the Soros cubicle farm has quotas but you have to try harder than this.

 

Let's discuss the primary message being pushed by Democrats right now, since they are no longer asleep at the wheel.

 

Based on the dozen or so declared candidates, it appears to be:

• Take everyone's money.
• Open the borders completely.
• Ban all guns.
• Take more of everyone's money.
• Murdering babies is cool.

Did I miss anything?

 

Oh. Wait. I forgot to add one more: Take everyone's money.

 

To cite DeBlasio...The problem isn't that there is no money. There's plenty of money. The problem is it's in the wrong hands. 

 

That's a winning strategy, leftists. Run with it.

 

 

[DC Tom]

18 minutes ago, LABillzFan said:

 

Let's discuss the primary message being pushed by Democrats right now, since they are no longer asleep at the wheel.

 

Based on the dozen or so declared candidates, it appears to be:

• Take everyone's money.
• Open the borders completely.
• Ban all guns.
• Take more of everyone's money.
• Murdering babies is cool.

Did I miss anything?

 

 

Ban straws.

[Deranged Rhino]

1 hour ago, DC Tom said:

 

Ban straws.

 

I got shaken down by a group of homeless folk today at lunch for having a straw. They screamed at everyone coming out of the coffee shop to give them money or they'd call the cops on me for "possession of plastic straws". 

 

 Cracked me up.

 

 

Speaking of funny: 

 

[B-Man]

[Buffalo_Gal]

This is so no Democrat will ever be "cheated" out of the Presidency again. The Constitution is so 1787.

But seriously, why would a state want to do this? Anyhoooo the Supreme Court should have fun with this one. 
 

 

[DC Tom]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

This is so no Democrat will ever be "cheated" out of the Presidency again. The Constitution is so 1787.

But seriously, why would a state want to do this? Anyhoooo the Supreme Court should have fun with this one. 
 

 

 

Because they're idiots who don't understand states' rights.  And I believe the states can apportion their electors however they choose, ergo it's not a federal issue and the SCOTUS has no standing.  

 

But it'll be a hoot to watch the next time a Republican wins the popular vote while Colorado swings Democrat and they retroactively try to reapply the electoral college.

[row_33]

17 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

Because they're idiots who don't understand states' rights.  And I believe the states can apportion their electors however they choose, ergo it's not a federal issue and the SCOTUS has no standing.  

 

But it'll be a hoot to watch the next time a Republican wins the popular vote while Colorado swings Democrat and they retroactively try to reapply the electoral college.

 

states can set up anything they want to do.

 

i would welcome California and New York giving electoral votes to the popular proportion

 

[B-Man]

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Hey, it worked before:

 

[row_33]

It always shocks me when the GOP ever wins any election.

 

The Dems offer a total free ride from erection to resurrection, no personal responsibility for criminal or other pathological behaviour that destroys you and your family and neighbourhood, all to be paid by other people who work for a living.

 

[RochesterRob]

7 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

states can set up anything they want to do.

 

i would welcome California and New York giving electoral votes to the popular proportion

 

  And have 50 Quebec's?  

 

9 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

states can set up anything they want to do.

 

i would welcome California and New York giving electoral votes to the popular proportion

 

  The legal voters in each state be darned if they don't follow the national herd?

[row_33]

10 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  And have 50 Quebec's?  

 

  The legal voters in each state be darned if they don't follow the national herd?

 

the Dems feast on 100% of the Cal/NY electoral votes, I would welcome they split by the state popular vote...

 

November 2016.... roughly the total vote went 60/40 for the Dems, so i would welcome that 40% of that Electoral College vote go to the GOP instead of 100% to the Dems

 

 

 

 

[RochesterRob]

2 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

the Dems feast on 100% of the Cal/NY electoral votes, I would welcome they split by the state popular vote...

 

November 2016.... roughly the total vote went 60/40 for the Dems, so i would welcome that 40% of that Electoral College vote go to the GOP instead of 100% to the Dems

 

 

 

 

  So vote by Congressional districts in terms of the EC?

[TakeYouToTasker]

24 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

Because they're idiots who don't understand states' rights.  And I believe the states can apportion their electors however they choose, ergo it's not a federal issue and the SCOTUS has no standing.  

 

But it'll be a hoot to watch the next time a Republican wins the popular vote while Colorado swings Democrat and they retroactively try to reapply the electoral college.

 

I can't wait until California either succeeds or is ejected from the Compact, and these moronic Democratic strongholds are faced with their new reality.

[row_33]

16 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  So vote by Congressional districts in terms of the EC?

 

It's up to each state.

 

It's an issue 100% only with the Dems whining and complaining about it, and 100% only when they lose, so it would be big of them to take the first step in good faith and break up their two biggest pig troughs of EC.

 

 

Edited January 29, 2019 by row_33

[Numark3]

Yay free college and free everything.  Me like

[Teddy KGB]

3 hours ago, Tiberius said:

The biggest problem facing Trump is that Democrats are not asleep at the wheel anymore. Many people either stayed home or just laughed and voted from Trump thinking, what could go wrong? 

 

Well, now the completely incompetent, hateful jerk of a president has been in full view for all to see, and a huge majority of Americans say they hate what they have seen. It's the opposite situation and then some of 2016. Voters didn't love Hillary and the right was energized. Today, the strong, good and true left is ready to vote against Trump. 

 

So count you in for one more Hillary vote ????

[Buffalo_Gal]

8 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  And have 50 Quebec's?  

 

  The legal voters in each state be darned if they don't follow the national herd?

I would like to see exactly how it is written.  Some person in Colorado is gonna sue on this and I can't wait to see where it ends up, and how it is resolved.  

[row_33]

11 minutes ago, Crayola64 said:

Yay free college and free everything.  Me like

 

free everything !!!

 

how can you not vote for this?

 

what is your understanding about the concept of Quebec, and 50 of them???

 

 

[Numark3]

Just now, row_33 said:

 

free everything !!!

 

how can you not vote for this?

 

 

No such thing as working for stuff, so I want to be on the list to get!

 

 

Surely there is no middle ground where we (a) make college more affordable for those who need it and (b) stop punishing students in some/many respects with loans.

 

[row_33]

10 minutes ago, Crayola64 said:

 

No such thing as working for stuff, so I want to be on the list to get!

 

 

Surely there is no middle ground where we (a) make college more affordable for those who need it and (b) stop punishing students in some/many respects with loans.

 

 

set up a system of National Service where every student has to work for 2 years, in various areas of dire need of support, with schooling the reward for this service.

 

Banks can stop funding loans for totally worthless degrees to people who have 0% chance of paying the loans back.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Numark3]

2 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

set up a system of National Service where every student has to work for 2 years, in various areas of dire need of support, with schooling the reward for this service.

 

Banks can stop funding loans for totally worthless degrees to people who have 0% chance of paying the loans back.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Theres lots of solutions.  Federal loans for grad school can be much lower in interest, interest could not start accruing until after graduation, scholarships should not be taxable income for some (all?) situations.  There’s a ton of little things.

 

 

Edited January 29, 2019 by Crayola64

[row_33]

Realize that a University degree is not some congenital right for everybody.  As if the majority of students are going to graduate in the first place.

 

If you aren't going into STEM studies, you have to guarantee family resources to pay back your loans.

 

 

[DC Tom]

38 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

states can set up anything they want to do.

 

 

Yes.  Even if it's idiotic.

[/dev/null]

3 minutes ago, row_33 said:

Realize that a University degree is not some congenital right for everybody.  As if the majority of students are going to graduate in the first place.

 

If you aren't going into STEM studies, you have to guarantee family resources to pay back your loans.

 

 

But that $75000 loan for a Bachelors degree in Liberal Arts with a keystone thesis on Deconstructing the Whiteness of 16th Century Japanese Architecture should be enough to land an executive position at the most prestigious companies

[RochesterRob]

20 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

free everything !!!

 

how can you not vote for this?

 

what is your understanding about the concept of Quebec, and 50 of them???

 

 

  50 nation-states.  Always threatening succession.  I worked for a multi-national corporation that had their North American headquarters just outside of Montreal.  I know full well their feelings on English speakers among other things.

[row_33]

13 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  50 nation-states.  Always threatening succession.  I worked for a multi-national corporation that had their North American headquarters just outside of Montreal.  I know full well their feelings on English speakers among other things.

 

it's not constant, nobody believes they are leaving Canada, the referendi were always so weak and wishy washy.

 

The current situation is fine.

 

 

[Koko78]

51 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

states can set up anything they want to do.

 

i would welcome California and New York giving electoral votes to the popular proportion

 

 

I'd love to see that asswipe Cuomo crap his pants if Trump somehow "won" the popular vote, and all of NY's votes went to him - especially if it caused his re-election.

[B-Man]

Kamala Harris Sounds A Lot Like An Authoritarian

 

Listen, it wouldn’t be fair to accuse presidential hopeful Kamala Harris of supporting state control over the means of all production. To this point she’s only focused on the energy, health care, auto-manufacturing and education sectors. Good candidates prioritize.

 

In this age of hyperbole, I sometimes worry about overusing words like “socialist” or “authoritarian.” Yet, if we accept that an “authoritarian” is a person “who favors or enforces strict obedience to authority, especially that of the government, at the expense of personal freedom,” I’m not sure how anyone watching Harris’ campaign kick-off (sponsored by CNN!) could argue that her policy positions do not fit that description.

 

For starters, here are some of the things that Harris believes the state can ban at expense of your personal freedom: private health insurance, your car, affordable energy, political speech, your guns, for-profit colleges, and government office holding for practicing Catholics. Of course, the media, complicit in normalizing these hard-left positions over the past decade, treat her agenda as the centrist option for voters. Who knows? Maybe in the contemporary Democratic Party it is.

 

In addition to pushing Medicare for All policy—now widely supported by presidential hopefuls—Harris says that private insurance (already governed by a massive regulatory regime and used as a Trojan horse for progressive social policy) should be banned outright in favor of state control. “Let’s eliminate all of that. Let’s move on,” she told Jake Tapper.

 

If you can imagine such a thing, this sounds even more authoritarian to me than Donald Trump’s tax cuts or deregulation efforts.

 

Once upon a time, voters were worried that they might lose their insurance plans. Now candidates openly campaign on the promise of cancelling every American’s insurance plan, and handing the entire project over to a centralized government bureaucracy that will govern the choices of around 350 million people. Forcing people to participate in this system (and it should be noted that a number of nations that have adopted socialized medicine allow citizens to get private insurance) is a pretty good example of demanding obedience to authority at the expense of personal freedom.

 

More at the link:

 

 

 

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[RochesterRob]

1 minute ago, row_33 said:

 

it's not constant, nobody believes they are leaving Canada, the referendi were always so weak and wishy washy.

 

The current situation is fine.

 

 

  A counterpart in Toronto always told me Quebec lacks the tax base that would support their desires or it would have happened already.  But if enough people up there start to believe in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy then all bets are off.