SoCal Deek Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 People....really now? Davis retires after SIZX QUARTERS of football and the Bills leadership DIDN'T KNOW this? Oh come on! Are they clueless? With the NFL changing to a single roster cut....you had DARN SURE BETTER KNOW if players are going to retire in week! SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESH 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins Malone Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said: I never said that I was a process guy. If you’ve been paying attention I have been one of the last adopters. I think that Allen can play. That will cover a lot of the other flaws. Well you ended your post with trust the process. And sorry i dont remember every post by every member. Im not saying your wrong..im just surprised this season has turned you optimistic thats all. Nothinh wrong with just surprised. I like Allen as well but i think alot more needs to be seen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, COTC said: No more BS. McDermotts priorities are backwards. He needs to be fired. No question about it. You will be joining, Dunkirk Don and AllenWillBust soon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I’ll PM you the text. Check your PM and the dates. I’ve ALWAYS told the truth here. Not calling it fake news....but it doesn't worry you that somehow the COACHING STAFF didn't know one of their starting CBs was going to retire??? Come on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COTC Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, Buffalo Barbarian said: You will be joining, Dunkirk Don and AllenWillBust soon. Who? What is your damage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, joesixpack said: Don’t include me in with these people. So I used to be a big BBMB guy, but I had to leave because it was just so insane. I feel like the BBMB closing has caused this forum to go right down hill, becoming BBMB part 2. Its gotten so bad I had to finally sign up and post. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 The only thing about Davis retiring that made it a story was how he did it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Jury is still out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, jtothebrown said: This is the question you should be asking the HC and GM. You mean the HC and GM that in one year has had more success than any combo in the last 17 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Warcodered said: The only thing about Davis retiring that made it a story was how he did it. What the? Yes, the story here is that the Coaching Staff apparently wasn't aware that one of their precious 53 man roster was going to switch majors before the Semester's first pop quiz! Now THAT is frightening. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 17, 2018 Author Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said: Not calling it fake news....but it doesn't worry you that somehow the COACHING STAFF didn't know one of their starting CBs was going to retire??? Come on! Well I just sent you a PM with a text from 9/9/18 saying that was in the cards. You might not agree with me but don’t ever call my credibility into question. I have always told it like it is and shared information that was relevant. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins Malone Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, COTC said: A veteran “retired” at half time. Doesn’t get any more obvious. What that means is they lost Davis...doesnt have anything to do with the locker. I get it..maybe he has..but no.one can say 100% that the locker room is lost..none of us are in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: So I used to be a big BBMB guy, but I had to leave because it was just so insane. I feel like the BBMB closing has caused this forum to go right down hill, becoming BBMB part 2. Its gotten so bad I had to finally sign up and post. Right on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 If Allen is good McDermott and Beane will be here a long time, if he isn't they'll be out after the 2021 season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Right there with you Kirby. I will admit the first half today had me upset. Not because they were losing but because of some calls I witnessed. Hughes being dropped in a 3-12 situation was inexcusable. The Bills only pass rusher needs to be doing that on passing downs. the second half made me feel great. Allen started running some and it seemed to help calm his nerves. Allen was exactly what I thought he would be, a talented rookie learning how to adjust and read NFL speed. The defense played amazing in the second half. I could care less how it looks that Davis quit at half. Boldin quit last year and went out and made the playoffs. The team responded great at half. They will play for McDermott and Allen can rally the guys. Watching Allen on some of those runs reminded me of watching Kelly run. A big strong guy who isn’t afraid of anyone . This is the beginning. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 17, 2018 Author Share Posted September 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, Skins Malone said: Well you ended your post with trust the process. And sorry i dont remember every post by every member. Im not saying your wrong..im just surprised this season has turned you optimistic thats all. Nothinh wrong with just surprised. I like Allen as well but i think alot more needs to be seen I didn’t end with trust the process. I said “trust the progress.” That’s the young guys. There are many, many posts where I’ve questioned this regime. I just think that they might have hotbed on the QB. That’s what this entire year is about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COTC Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, Skins Malone said: What that means is they lost Davis...doesnt have anything to do with the locker. I get it..maybe he has..but no.one can say 100% that the locker room is lost..none of us are in there. Open you eyes man!! It’s so obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said: Well I just sent you a PM with a text from 9/9/18 saying that was in the cards. You might not agree with me but don’t ever call my credibility into question. I have always told it like it is and shared information that was relevant. Kirby....once again, you could be right or wrong. I honestly don't care! The real question here is why didn't the Bills organization know this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 6 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said: I'm sorry....but wha? don't feed the trolls 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 17 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I know that I haven’t been a “process” guy from day 1. I wanted to see what these guys did first. I think there has been good and bad. With that being said, Allen looks like a player. He was one of the best players on the field today for the Bills. He wasn’t perfect but there was a lot to like. Agreed. I liked what I saw from the Rookie in his first start. However there are some things to work on. And not sure Culley (well pretty positive he isnt) the right guy for the job. 17 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Secondly, Vontae Davis retiring at halftime is the most overblown story of the year. He was a CB that was done, making $5M a year. He makes no difference on the field. IMO, that’s a total non-story that has gotten WAY too much attention. If Ramon Humber decided tomorrow that he was never playing again it would be more impactful IMO. This is an issue because for what he will make, Kerley will make, Coleman will make for not being on the team they could have kept Gaines. However bring in Breeland Monday and then it really isnt a loses at all. 17 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: The Bills aren’t going to be good. Those people that thought .500 was in the cards need to get realistic. At the same time, they showed some progress today and may have found the most important position in sports. If they give him some players we can be good again by as soon as next year. I walked out of today with an optimism that I haven’t had in a long time. Trust the Progress And about the Process I am not all in on it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COTC Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: don't feed the trolls Must be hard of hearing. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: This is an issue because for what he will make, Kerley will make, Coleman will make for not being on the team they could have kept Gaines. This! It certainly looks like a bunch of veterans are stopping by OBD to collect some easy money on their way to their next gig. (Even if that gig is retirement.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins Malone Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Kirby....once again, you could be right or wrong. I honestly don't care! The real question here is why didn't the Bills organization know this? If Vontage didnt tell them how would they know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 17, 2018 Author Share Posted September 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Kirby....once again, you could be right or wrong. I honestly don't care! The real question here is why didn't the Bills organization know this? You called me out for my “deep throat source.” I sent you a PM as proof. I don’t like my credibility and honesty being brought into question. Whether you like what I have to say or not, I don’t care. Just don’t pretend that I am lying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalobloodfloridahome Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 I just think Davis got tired of being burned and realized he's hurting more than helping the team and it was time to retire. If anything he did is a favor gave younger guys a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 12 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I know that I haven’t been a “process” guy from day 1. I wanted to see what these guys did first. I think there has been good and bad. With that being said, Allen looks like a player. He was one of the best players on the field today for the Bills. He wasn’t perfect but there was a lot to like. Secondly, Vontae Davis retiring at halftime is the most overblown story of the year. He was a CB that was done, making $5M a year. He makes no difference on the field. IMO, that’s a total non-story that has gotten WAY too much attention. If Ramon Humber decided tomorrow that he was never playing again it would be more impactful IMO. The Bills aren’t going to be good. Those people that thought .500 was in the cards need to get realistic. At the same time, they showed some progress today and may have found the most important position in sports. If they give him some players we can be good again by as soon as next year. I walked out of today with an optimism that I haven’t had in a long time. Trust the Progress The future is not good and McDermott is not respected by his players.You don't keep making roster changes the way McBeanerville has been doing if that wasn't the case. They kicked Washington and Kerley to the curb in the same week...and replaced the roster with what solid talent? Star,T.Murphy,Davis,Coleman,Bodine etc.......they suck and they are their hires. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtothebrown Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: You mean the HC and GM that in one year has had more success than any combo in the last 17 years? You mean the HC and GM that that did their best to rid the team of any and all the talent that we had, and replaced them with fat, slow, often injured castoffs from their former team. Not to mention having the most miraculous td in the history of NFL playoff history, help them squeek in and only score 3 points. Are you speaking of that GM or that one that pretty much built the roster that they went to th playoffs with? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, Kirby Jackson said: You called me out for my “deep throat source.” I sent you a PM as proof. I don’t like my credibility and honesty being brought into question. Whether you like what I have to say or not, I don’t care. Just don’t pretend that I am lying. Dude...you have to bring it down a notch. "Deep Throat" is a solid reference to an infamous inside source. Step off! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COTC Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Skins Malone said: If Vontage didnt tell them how would they know? Come on skins. Are you really going to play this role? Pff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins Malone Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I didn’t end with trust the process. I said “trust the progress.” That’s the young guys. There are many, many posts where I’ve questioned this regime. I just think that they might have hotbed on the QB. That’s what this entire year is about. Yes you did i read that wrong. Now im not so confused. It would be nice if our QB had a little more help. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ga boy Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 9 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: Agree. This is not a good team and they will be fortunate to win more than 4-5 games at best. However, I liked what I saw of Allen today. I am looking forward to his continued development this year and seeing what they can do next year in regard to bringing in some talent around him. Hey 59, I'll do you one better. They'll be 0-4 going into October. Hopefully, they can split the rest, but I'm not sure that they're better than Fish or Jets. If Josh is the real deal, they should win 5 or 6, but he'll have to win a couple on his own with 300 yards plus. They may get to 7 if they can get Shady going. Both of these are very questionable at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 I tried to articulate this in other threads but I don't get tearing it down in year two. We didn't go into last year saying we have the worst QB group, the worst OL group, the worst WR group, no proven LB, in the whole league. We are behind where we were last year. Sure, tear it down and start over, but do it year one not year two. Next year will be the second year of our total rebuild when it should be the third. I agree about Allen though and he is the biggest element. If he is good we will likely be good soon. If he is not we will not. I just think we wasted a year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins Malone Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, COTC said: Come on skins. Are you really going to play this role? Pff So your saying the coaches knew ahead of time he was walking out at halftime. Yeah that makes sense. And there is no role to play. You werent there and neither was anyone else on this board...therefore no one knows exactly what happened. Thats just a fact. Edited September 17, 2018 by Skins Malone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Misterbluesky said: The future is not good and McDermott is not respected by his players. Source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Kelly the Dog said: I tried to articulate this in other threads but I don't get tearing it down in year two. We didn't go into last year saying we have the worst QB group, the worst OL group, the worst WR group, no proven LB, in the whole league. We are behind where we were last year. Sure, tear it down and start over, but do it year one not year two. Next year will be the second year of our total rebuild when it should be the third. I agree about Allen though and he is the biggest element. If he is good we will likely be good soon. If he is not we will not. I just think we wasted a year. Kelly, I loved last year! They finally got to the playoffs. That New Years Eve is one that I will always remember. Don't take it away from me. Good times! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Excellent thread opening post, Kirby. QB's are made by playing. Josh regressed to some bad footwork at times today-- but this was his first time against a pretty damn good NFL Defense (even without Bosa) and a smart coordinator. Remember at the beginning of mini-camp when he couldn't throw a screen pass--he has improved with both touch and timing. The deep ball already loosened up the running game. This season is 3-13 Peyton and 1-15 Troy..nothing more...its a year to see what we have. I don't buy everything, but I buy that we have a young QB who has some skills that cannot be taught and is improving on the skills that can be taught. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 17, 2018 Author Share Posted September 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Dude...you have to bring it down a notch. "Deep Throat" is a solid reference to an infamous inside source. Step off! As always, what I relay here is based in fact. Again, I have no issue if people disagree with my opinions. They do all of the time. When I provide information though, it is fact. I wouldn’t bring it otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick the Greek Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 It’s a tear down and rebuild. this is the year down. Next year is the rebuild. It will happen, and it will be awesome. and we made the playoffs last year. McBeane gets a pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COTC Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, Skins Malone said: So your saying the coaches knew ahead of time he was walking out ar halftime. Yeah that makes sense No I’m not saying that. What makes you think that? i am on the opinion that this is clear evidence that McD has lost the locker room... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sig1Hunter Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: FWIW, I got a text from a poster here on September 9th that said Davis was about to retire. This wasn’t a shock in the room. Maybe they didn’t expect it at halftime but Davis wasn’t going to be be here for long. I think the issue was doing it in the middle of a game. Don't put your coaches and teammates in a position where they have to answer for it after the game. If he was done, that's fine. Gut out the rest of the game, at the very least on the sidelines with your team. Shouldn't have been too much to ask. Edited September 17, 2018 by Sig1Hunter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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