Cripple Creek Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 18 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Oooo ****. I found Mahomes because i TV scouted him. Meaning I WATCHED FOOTBALL You know, people wouldn't think you were a dick if you didn't act like a dick all the time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, White Linen said: I think that's what John is referring to. I think he's suggesting that going 9-7 may have been as much a surprise to them as everyone else. While that may be true, you do one of two things, you build off that and not totally rebuild, or you don't worry about that in year one you just tear it down and go for a three year plan. To me, they are screweing themselves on a three year plan. If they tore it all down last year, suffered the lean year, built upon it this year, and then by the third year they would be in the second year of the rebuild and not the first, that would make sense. You don't tear it all down in the second year, especially if you overachieved in the first. It doesn't make much sense. Right now we are behind where we were last year. If you tore it all down then we would be slightly ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VW82 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: Thats my point. It isnt a plan. If theh wanted to get all their guys and blah blah build or whatever shady should have been dealt last year. Wood dealt last year Looney Toons dealt last year Hughes dealt last year. Not kick the pain down the road. McD traded half the roster, and you think they should have traded the other half too? The reason they didn't trade Wood, Shady, Hughes, Kyle, and Lorenzo is because those guys were the real leaders in the locker room. McD needed them for culture reasons, if not their actual play on the field. You can't rebuild the whole team overnight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, stony said: They kept TT. They underestimated him. I think that was part of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Rico said: Him or Beane? Or both? I've been on record since the day were hired that if they can't get the job done, they need to get the !@#$ out of town. 3 years is more than fair, and I think they bought a little more time than that by breaking the drought. That can all change if things turn into a complete and total disaster, but I'm not close to making that call after only 2 games. The one thing that is crystal clear though is the failures here before them had to get thrown into the trash, of that there can be no doubt. I think Beane would get two QBs. McD not so much. But also think Beane is a McD plant at GM and has alot more personel decisions than he should (an ownership mistake IMO) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Rico said: Him or Beane? Or both? I've been on record since the day were hired that if they can't get the job done, they need to get the !@#$ out of town. 3 years is more than fair, and I think they bought a little more time than that by breaking the drought. That can all change if things turn into a complete and total disaster, but I'm not close to making that call after only 2 games. The one thing that is crystal clear though is the failures here before them had to get thrown into the trash, of that there can be no doubt. I agree Rico. They didn't believe in Tyrod, Dareus and Watkins being the best players and the highest salaries. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Process Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 57 minutes ago, PeterDude said: Oh boy, another fan who thinks the Bills can do no wrong... They finally have their franchise QB? What makes you say this? Have you watched Edmunds play??? "We had a playoff team last year" - just /facepalm is all I got. Let me guess, you wanted to give Jauron and Gailey a chance too... The roster is in shambles, two players have actually quit on McClappity, and all he can tell us is "it was the right decision"... Wow, just wow. wow..did somebody just run over your dog? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRush Posted September 17, 2018 Author Share Posted September 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Thats my point. It isnt a plan. If theh wanted to get all their guys and blah blah build or whatever shady should have been dealt last year. Wood dealt last year Looney Toons dealt last year Hughes dealt last year. Not kick the pain down the road. Then Why was McCoy not dealt last year (will be retired before we are good) Hughes (same) Kyle (Same) Eric (is retired) Looney Toon ( is retired) If they did “kick the pain” down the road, you would have been whinging about the Bills not making the playoffs for 18 years. Get on the bandwagon or GET OFF THE BUS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COTC Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 OP you are obviously suffering from Stockholm syndrome. It’s irrational. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, White Linen said: At this point, I don't think anyone can keep track with what you're mad about. It's just everything and anything. I agree with other posters that deep breathe's are your friend right now. In a conversation with @John from Riverside So unless you can follow feel free to see your way oit of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, VW82 said: McD traded half the roster, and you think they should have traded the other half too? The reason they didn't trade Wood, Shady, Hughes, Kyle, and Lorenzo is because those guys were the real leaders in the locker room. McD needed them for culture reasons, if not their actual play on the field. You can't rebuild the whole team overnight. You don't remodel the house the year before you raze it and rebuild from scratch either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said: You know, people wouldn't think you were a dick if you didn't act like a dick all the time. You know I dont care what people think of me. But thanks for your concern Edited September 17, 2018 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: I think Beane would get two QBs. McD not so much. But also think Beane is a McD plant at GM and has alot more personel decisions than he should (an ownership mistake IMO) See, I think Beane owns Allen a whole lot more more than McD does, but I'm a bottom line kind of guy... though you may be right about him being a 'plant'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, BuffaloRush said: If they did “kick the pain” down the road, you would have been whinging about the Bills not making the playoffs for 18 years. Get on the bandwagon or GET OFF THE BUS! There it is. Was waiting for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: While that may be true, you do one of two things, you build off that and not totally rebuild, or you don't worry about that in year one you just tear it down and go for a three year plan. To me, they are screweing themselves on a three year plan. If they tore it all down last year, suffered the lean year, built upon it this year, and then by the third year they would be in the second year of the rebuild and not the first, that would make sense. You don't tear it all down in the second year, especially if you overachieved in the first. It doesn't make much sense. Right now we are behind where we were last year. If you tore it all down then we would be slightly ahead. I kind of understand what you're saying but then not really. The tear down was last year - they didn't tear down much this past off season beyond Glenn and Tyrod. They overachieved in year one - with what most would agree a largely baron team of high end talent. It showed McD's leadership to a degree. When you say tear it down in year two, do you mean moving on from Tyrod and drafting a rookie QB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: You know I dont care what people think of me. But thanks for your concern Well that’s a surprise right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, Rico said: See, I think Beane owns Allen a whole lot more more than McD does, but I'm a bottom line kind of guy... though you may be right about him being a 'plant'. Reason I think he is a plant is the Carolina Connection and the Immediate hire after the draft. And the reports we knew Carolinas board (Zay Jones trade up) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 hour ago, BuffaloRush said: There are many reasons why, in the face of the ugly, negative, and defamatory rhetoric from some of the Bills fan base (I use that term loosely), I stand in lock-step with Coach McDermott and GM Beane. There are many reasons why: - We finally have acquired our franchise QB. This year will all be about his individual development, not about the team’s overall record. Also would you rather have another 7-9 year with Tyrod Taylor starting? Or a year bottoming out at say 4-12 where we use a high draft pick to acquire premium talent? Cal me crazy but I’ve seen enough of 7-9. If you’re not gonna make the playoffs, Miss them by a mile. - The are cleaning up the cap situation. Doug Whaley’s cap situation was atrocious. It takes time to clean it up. Beane was able to unload overpaid stars like Sammy Watkins, Marcel Darius, and yes even Tyrod. Next year, we have a lot of $$$ to spend and a high draft position. We will rebuild. - They ended the playoff drought! I repeat, they ended the playoff drought! Some of you would have traded your first born to end the drought, these guys did it and you whinge. - We have our defensive QB’s in Edmunds, Hyde, and White. Solid starters for years to come. Yes Edmunds has struggled a bit so far but he is 20 years old. Give him 1 year NFL experience and you will see. - Coach McDermott will fix the problems on defense. Folks look at the talent on this team. Did you really think this was playoff caliiber? They suffered too many losses. This is a rebuilding year. I would encourage you to look at the overall progress of Josh Allen and not the team’s overall record. This is a rebuild. So in conclusion, thank you Coach McDermott. Thank you GM Beane. You have our ship headed toward the right direction with the character and culture of this organization. To the fans who whinge on this board about the Bills. Quit your whinging. We had a playoff team last year. They broke the streak. Chalk this up to a rebuild and move on. If you don’t like the team....get off the bus! (Mic drop) This would all be great but they’ve made some decisions that are atrocious. Signing Star and Trent, not building up the offensive line to protect your rookie QB, starting Nate freakin Peterman again, and failing to give Allen any weapons has me questioning the process. I agree with the bottoming out part. We need a top pick and being mediocre all these years is one of the reasons why we are where we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsflyer12 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, VW82 said: McD traded half the roster, and you think they should have traded the other half too? The reason they didn't trade Wood, Shady, Hughes, Kyle, and Lorenzo is because those guys were the real leaders in the locker room. McD needed them for culture reasons, if not their actual play on the field. You can't rebuild the whole team overnight. Culture reasons? Culture is the most overrated concept in all of sports. They traded and cut players with more talent, then they received, drafted or signed. "Culture," "process," "faith, family and football" are things spoken by those who don't have a real plan or idea what they are doing. They are created to blind the sheep and it has clearly worked with many Bills fans and the Pegulas. Edited September 17, 2018 by Billsflyer12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: There it is. Was waiting for it. Church of reap what you sow. "In a conversation with @John from Riverside So unless you can follow feel free to see your way oit of it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 36 minutes ago, Best Player Available said: Huh, you keep talking about drafting a QB again next year again if your now 'franchise quarterback',doesn't meet your lofty standards. Remember? In conclusion you talk out of both sides of your mouth. Just like Dunkirk Don 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, joesixpack said: Well that’s a surprise right there. Why would I. I don't know him / her. And Owe him / her nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, White Linen said: I kind of understand what you're saying but then not really. The tear down was last year - they didn't tear down much this past off season beyond Glenn and Tyrod. They overachieved in year one - with what most would agree a largely baron team of high end talent. It showed McD's leadership to a degree. When you say tear it down in year two, do you mean moving on from Tyrod and drafting a rookie QB? We have substantially less talent this year than last. We kept Tyrod last year. Tried with veterans like Matthew and EJ Gaines. You didn't look at the team and say we have the very worst line, the very worst WR, the very worst QB, one of the worst LBs corps. Edited September 17, 2018 by Kelly the Dog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 I trust them but just wish they did the full clean out last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VW82 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Kelly the Dog said: You don't remodel the house the year before you raze it and rebuild from scratch either. It wasn't a remodel though. They slapped a coat of paint on it and put the for sale sign up. But you're suggesting they should have traded away the master bedroom and sold all the shingles too. You still have to field a team out there. Like I said in another post, McBeane did a nice job accumulating draft capital to go out and find their future captains. I think they might have misfired on Allen and Edmunds, and got fleeced in the process. Plan was a good one, execution maybe not. We'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: Reason I think he is a plant is the Carolina Connection and the Immediate hire after the draft. And the reports we knew Carolinas board (Zay Jones trade up) No doubt in my mind that McD leaned more on what he knew in/from Carolina than the soon-to-be-fired, dead-men-walking Whaley & staff. I can't say as to how much Beane was directly, unethically involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 (edited) 35 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Oooo ****. I found Mahomes because i TV scouted him. Meaning I WATCHED FOOTBALL Yeah, I figured you’d dismiss that article. It wasnt the the only report that credited McDermott with bringing Hyde to Buffalo. Even Hyde himself credited Sean McDermott as a big reason he came to buffalo. Also, Is it really that hard to believe that a coach (be it a head coach, coordinator etc) watches games on TV to scout teams and players? And is it also that hard to believe that McDermott kept his eyes on certain guys who stood out to him over the years, in case they ever became available? There is obviously a big difference between a casual fan watching a game on TV, and an NFL coach video scouting a game on TV. One actually has a say in what players the team he works for signs. Even as a coordinator in Carolina, I am sure McDermott had input on free agents, etc. So he had good reason to “tv scout”. Edited September 17, 2018 by BillsFan4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 After last season, you could tell this was a rebuild. Mistakes are made with personnel and hindsight is 20/20. I wrote off this season and thought 6 wins would be the best bet. Everyone has a take and I respect that. It will be interesting to watch the young guys develop. Next draft will bring in more young talent. The process is what it is. The next three months will be interesting. Side note...this is the earliest in years that I am looking forward to the draft. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 8 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Reason I think he is a plant is the Carolina Connection and the Immediate hire after the draft. And the reports we knew Carolinas board (Zay Jones trade up) I agree with this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, BillsFan4 said: Yeah, I figured you’d dismiss that article. It wasnt the the only report that credited McDermott with bringing Hyde to Buffalo. Even Hyde himself credited Sean McDermott as a big reason he came to buffalo. Also, Is it really that hard to believe that a coach (be it a head coach, coordinator etc) watches games to scout teams and players? And is it also that hard to believe that McDermott kept his eyes on certain guys who stood out to him over the years, in case they ever became available? There is obviously a big difference between a casual fan watching a game on TV, and an NFL coach video scouting a game on TV. One actually has a say in what players the team he works for signs. Even as a coordinator in Carolina, I am sure McDermott had input on free agents, etc. Of course he has INPUT. I never said he didnt anywhere. i did say however the scouting reports for that Draft and that UFA period where put together from Whaleys scouting staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COTC Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 OP. A blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 20 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Thats my point. It isnt a plan. If they wanted to get all their guys and blah blah build or whatever shady should have been dealt last year. Wood dealt last year Looney Toons dealt last year Hughes dealt last year. Not kick the pain down the road. They should have tore the bandaid all at once. Cleveland did it now look at their Talent they have Then Why was McCoy not dealt last year (will be retired before we are good) Hughes (same) Kyle (Same) Eric (is retired) Looney Toon ( is retired) Yes but here is the thing....that is your opinion on how they should do it......its not the only way. Keep in mind....they did bring a playoff to buffalo for the first time in like 15 years.....ppl were very happy about that......but their were consequences to that. Its not like this season is completely lost anyway....to me this team has the look of a team that starts off slow and gets better as the season progresses.....the question will be then if the early games did them in but they will look like a team on the rise with 10 draft picks and a boatload of cap space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 6 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: We have substantially less talent this year than last. We kept Tyrod last year. Tried with veterans like Matthew and EJ Gaines. You didn't look at the team and say we have the very worst line, the very worst WR, the very worst QB, one of the worst LBs corps. I guess I'd answer that by saying I think the loss of talent from the first off season to last year - was greater than the loss of talent this past off season to the start of this season. I do agree we are less talented than last year but I largely attribute that to Richie and Wood - which wasn't part of the tear down. Glenn only started 5 games so essentially we lost Brown and Tyrod of any significance. I just don't see how it was a partial tear down, then a continuation of the tear down when I look at who we lost. I know there's been much much more turnover than that but starting quality speaking.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, White Linen said: I guess I'd answer that by saying I think the loss of talent from the first off season to last year - was greater than the loss of talent this past off season to the start of this season. I do agree we are less talented than last year but I largely attribute that to Richie and Wood - which wasn't part of the tear down. Glenn only started 5 games so essentially we lost Brown and Tyrod of any significance. I just don't see how it was a partial tear down, then a continuation of the tear down when I look at who we lost. I know there's been much much more turnover than that but starting quality speaking.... If you tear it all down in year one you don't finish 9-7 and get a 21 draft pick and have to use most of your draft capital built up just to get to 7. You're at 7. Which is where may likely end this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Yes but here is the thing....that is your opinion on how they should do it......its not the only way. Keep in mind....they did bring a playoff to buffalo for the first time in like 15 years.....ppl were very happy about that......but their were consequences to that. Its not like this season is completely lost anyway....to me this team has the look of a team that starts off slow and gets better as the season progresses.....the question will be then if the early games did them in but they will look like a team on the rise with 10 draft picks and a boatload of cap space. This season is and always has been the development of Josh Allen to me. Trying hard to leave the Process alone. But when I see threads calling out people that have questions about it, you know me I let lose. To be honest and I have said this today i enjoyed the game because I saw enough of Josh Allen to want more next week. When it comes to acquisitions this year i run it through one question How will this help Allen. I knew what this year was going to be. But that doesnt mean there are mistakes and questions about this FO and Coaching staff. For the most part I will leave them alone minus some fun one liners. Until i see threads calling less of a fan if I am not all in on the Process. That didnt fly with TT. Wont fly with McD and Beane. And when I see this years Acquisitions in FA sorry of I dont think that 90M in cap space is going to produce good players that are part of the core Edited September 17, 2018 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: This season is and always has been the development of Josh Allen to me. Trying hard to leave the Process alone. But when I see threads calling out people that have questions about it, you know me I let lose. To be honest and I have said this today i enjoyed the game because I saw enough of Josh Allen to want more next week. When it comes to acquisitions this year i run it through one question How will this help Allen. I knew what this year was going to be. But that doesnt mean there are mistakes and questions about this FO and Coaching staff. For the most part I will leave them alone minus some fun one liners. Until i see threads calling less of a fan if I am not all in on the Process. That didnt fly with TT. Wont fly with McD and Beane I personally dont have a problem with ppl questioning the process.....ppl have a right to speak their mind and we are not winning right now. A lot of those same pple are taking personal shots at "optomists" this to me is not acceptable.....there are rules here (this is not directed at you only that there are those that are taking it to far) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, John from Riverside said: I personally dont have a problem with ppl questioning the process.....ppl have a right to speak their mind and we are not winning right now. A lot of those same pple are taking personal shots at "optomists" this to me is not acceptable.....there are rules here (this is not directed at you only that there are those that are taking it to far) Same can be said for the other side. But hey thats cause they are losing. However I did want to get the CoTP out there early enough like my Teflon Juan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, Kelly the Dog said: If you tear it all down in year one you don't finish 9-7 and get a 21 draft pick and have to use most of your draft capital built up just to get to 7. You're at 7. Which is where may likely end this year. I understand your premise but who else do you wish they would have gotten rid of the first year instead of this past off season? Tyrod, Brown, Glenn and not signed Hyde and Poyer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 9 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Yes but here is the thing....that is your opinion on how they should do it......its not the only way. Keep in mind....they did bring a playoff to buffalo for the first time in like 15 years.....ppl were very happy about that......but their were consequences to that. Its not like this season is completely lost anyway....to me this team has the look of a team that starts off slow and gets better as the season progresses.....the question will be then if the early games did them in but they will look like a team on the rise with 10 draft picks and a boatload of cap space. Great a boatload if cap space to spend on old average UFAs. That never goes wrong and gets you in cap hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, CountDorkula said: Great a boatload if cap space to spend on old average UFAs. That never goes wrong and gets you in cap hell. We dont know that is going to happen.....we do know that we tried to get younger players this year and they went elsewhere which means we needed to pay more for them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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