Buffalo_Gal Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Sometimes I am sad I block trolls because when a thread gets as derailed as this one, I wonder WTH happened. But, most of the time I am just glad I blocked the idjits. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 To put President Trump in the same sentence as Hurricane Florence is as about as demented as it gets. And you Trump-hating morons can't understand why REAL Americans aren't throwing pitchforks at the President, just like you unhinged idiots do. I just shake my head as this goes to show you that you pinheads will use ANYTHING to continue your stupid hate towards Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Drew Angerer/Getty Florida Republican Gov. Rick Scott, who is running for Senate, and gubernatorial candidate Ron DeSantis both turned on President Trump in the wake of his Thursday tweets denying that nearly 3,000 people died in Puerto Rico as a result of Hurricane Maria, publicly reaffirming their confidence in the results of the independent study. “I disagree with @POTUS,” Scott tweeted. “An independent study said thousands were lost and Gov. Rosselló agreed. I’ve been to Puerto Rico 7 times & saw devastation firsthand. The loss of any life is tragic; the extent of lives lost as a result of Maria is heart wrenching. I’ll continue to help PR.” A spokesperson for DeSantis took a similar tack, noting that “[DeSantis] doesn’t believe any loss of life has been inflated,” according to a tweet from an NBC correspondent. Democratic Senate candidate Bill Nelson, who will face Scott in the Nov. 6 primary, also criticized Trump’s take: “The president’s comments on the nearly 3,000 American lives lost in Puerto Rico are shameful. We deserve and expect more from someone who holds the highest office in our country.” https://www.thedailybeast.com/florida-gop-candidates-reject-trumps-denial-of-hurricane-maria-deaths Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 4 hours ago, KRC said: Like 240 school shootings in one year, where things like an incident with scissors counts has a school shooting. Or a shooting that occurred at 2 a.m. near a school property, but not involving any students, counts as a school shooting. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: Drew Angerer/Getty Florida Republican Gov. Rick Scott, who is running for Senate, and gubernatorial candidate Ron DeSantis both turned on President Trump in the wake of his Thursday tweets denying that nearly 3,000 people died in Puerto Rico as a result of Hurricane Maria, publicly reaffirming their confidence in the results of the independent study. “I disagree with @POTUS,” Scott tweeted. “An independent study said thousands were lost and Gov. Rosselló agreed. I’ve been to Puerto Rico 7 times & saw devastation firsthand. The loss of any life is tragic; the extent of lives lost as a result of Maria is heart wrenching. I’ll continue to help PR.” A spokesperson for DeSantis took a similar tack, noting that “[DeSantis] doesn’t believe any loss of life has been inflated,” according to a tweet from an NBC correspondent. Democratic Senate candidate Bill Nelson, who will face Scott in the Nov. 6 primary, also criticized Trump’s take: “The president’s comments on the nearly 3,000 American lives lost in Puerto Rico are shameful. We deserve and expect more from someone who holds the highest office in our country.” https://www.thedailybeast.com/florida-gop-candidates-reject-trumps-denial-of-hurricane-maria-deaths Hey 5 Watt, can you tell us what's wrong with this excerpt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 On 9/12/2018 at 4:29 PM, Koko78 said: White power! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 I wonder why the media thinks this type of crap is working? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: I wonder why the media thinks this type of crap is working? Because it's not about the truth, it's about reinforcing the narrative to remove the threat to the status quo. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
\GoBillsInDallas/ Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 Damn these "racist" hurricanes: http://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/13/us/african-americans-hurricane-florence-displacement.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 32 minutes ago, \GoBillsInDallas/ said: Damn these "racist" hurricanes: http://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/13/us/african-americans-hurricane-florence-displacement.html I really feel sorry for these poor blacks that sold their oceanfront property for relatively high prices because? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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3rdnlng Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 Atlantic Hurricanes: https://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/top10.asp Hurricane and Tropical Cyclones Current Activity Hurricane Archive Hurricane Archive Current Activity Hurricane Archive Top 10 Most Active Hurricane Seasons Seasons with the most named storms, 1851 - Present Rank Year Number of Storms 1. 2005 28 2. 1933 20 3. 2012 19 3. 2011 19 3. 2010 19 3. 1995 19 3. 1887 19 8. 1969 18 9. 2008 16 9. 2003 16 9. 1936 16 12. 2007 15 13. 2004 15 14. 2001 15 15. 2000 15 Seasons with the most hurricanes, 1851 - Present Rank Year Number of Hurricanes 1. 2005 15 2. 2010 12 2. 1969 12 4. 1887 11 4. 1950 11 4. 1998 11 4. 1995 11 8. 2012 10 8. 1933 10 8. 1916 10 Seasons with the most major hurricanes, 1851 - Present Rank Year Number of Major Hurricanes 1. 1950 8 2. 2005 7 3. 1999 6 3. 1996 6 3. 1964 6 3. 1961 6 3. 1955 6 3. 1926 6 Seasons with the highest Accumulated Cyclone Energy (ACE), 1851 - Present Rank Year ACE Index 1. 2005 250 2. 1950 243 3. 1893 231 4. 1995 228 5. 2004 227 6. 1926 222 7. 1933 213 8. 1961 205 9. 1955 199 10. 1998 182 Current Tropical Activity 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 It would appear that the local and state governments along with FEMA were very well prepared for Flo. They are not out of the water yet but things are looking pretty good considering the obstacles that the Carolinas were facing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Koko78 Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 1 hour ago, 3rdnlng said: It would appear that the local and state governments along with FEMA were very well prepared for Flo. They are not out of the water yet but things are looking pretty good considering the obstacles that the Carolinas were facing. Thank God that Obama left FEMA in a good place to handle the catastrophe. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 3 hours ago, 3rdnlng said: Atlantic Hurricanes: You ought to consider posting this list in the global warming thread as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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boyst Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 4 hours ago, 3rdnlng said: Atlantic Hurricanes: https://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/top10.asp Hurricane and Tropical Cyclones Current Activity Hurricane Archive Hurricane Archive Current Activity Hurricane Archive Top 10 Most Active Hurricane Seasons Seasons with the most named storms, 1851 - Present Rank Year Number of Storms 1. 2005 28 2. 1933 20 3. 2012 19 3. 2011 19 3. 2010 19 3. 1995 19 3. 1887 19 8. 1969 18 9. 2008 16 9. 2003 16 9. 1936 16 12. 2007 15 13. 2004 15 14. 2001 15 15. 2000 15 Seasons with the most hurricanes, 1851 - Present Rank Year Number of Hurricanes 1. 2005 15 2. 2010 12 2. 1969 12 4. 1887 11 4. 1950 11 4. 1998 11 4. 1995 11 8. 2012 10 8. 1933 10 8. 1916 10 Seasons with the most major hurricanes, 1851 - Present Rank Year Number of Major Hurricanes 1. 1950 8 2. 2005 7 3. 1999 6 3. 1996 6 3. 1964 6 3. 1961 6 3. 1955 6 3. 1926 6 Seasons with the highest Accumulated Cyclone Energy (ACE), 1851 - Present Rank Year ACE Index 1. 2005 250 2. 1950 243 3. 1893 231 4. 1995 228 5. 2004 227 6. 1926 222 7. 1933 213 8. 1961 205 9. 1955 199 10. 1998 182 Current Tropical Activity Funny that almost all of this is information from 1950/60 on when radar and satellite tracking became huge. Methinks the data is wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 7 hours ago, 3rdnlng said: Atlantic Hurricanes: https://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/top10.asp Hurricane and Tropical Cyclones Current Activity Hurricane Archive Hurricane Archive Current Activity Hurricane Archive Top 10 Most Active Hurricane Seasons Seasons with the most named storms, 1851 - Present Rank Year Number of Storms 1. 2005 28 2. 1933 20 3. 2012 19 3. 2011 19 3. 2010 19 3. 1995 19 3. 1887 19 8. 1969 18 9. 2008 16 9. 2003 16 9. 1936 16 12. 2007 15 13. 2004 15 14. 2001 15 15. 2000 15 Seasons with the most hurricanes, 1851 - Present Rank Year Number of Hurricanes 1. 2005 15 2. 2010 12 2. 1969 12 4. 1887 11 4. 1950 11 4. 1998 11 4. 1995 11 8. 2012 10 8. 1933 10 8. 1916 10 Seasons with the most major hurricanes, 1851 - Present Rank Year Number of Major Hurricanes 1. 1950 8 2. 2005 7 3. 1999 6 3. 1996 6 3. 1964 6 3. 1961 6 3. 1955 6 3. 1926 6 Seasons with the highest Accumulated Cyclone Energy (ACE), 1851 - Present Rank Year ACE Index 1. 2005 250 2. 1950 243 3. 1893 231 4. 1995 228 5. 2004 227 6. 1926 222 7. 1933 213 8. 1961 205 9. 1955 199 10. 1998 182 Current Tropical Activity Suffers from the same flaws as climate change research does - historical numbers are estimated and interpolated, not directly measured, and means and methods of measurement change with time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yall Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 On 9/13/2018 at 10:18 AM, DC Tom said: Little known fact: "La-A" is an obscure but perfectly valid alternate spelling of "idiot." It's also a perfectly racist trope that just won't seem to die. Little known fact: there aren't any people on record named "La-A". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 1 hour ago, DC Tom said: Suffers from the same flaws as climate change research does - historical numbers are estimated and interpolated, not directly measured, and means and methods of measurement change with time. 1 hour ago, DC Tom said: Suffers from the same flaws as climate change research does - historical numbers are estimated and interpolated, not directly measured, and means and methods of measurement change with time. Of course it does, but nobody is trying to predict the future with these numbers. They probably have the number of storms and hurricanes about right. The description of the intensity is what might be off somewhat from the 19th century to present day. What we call a level 4 hurricane today was called a real shitkicker back in the day. What we do know is that there have always been storms, hurricanes and bad hurricanes and these happened when men were rubbing two sticks together to start a fire the same as when we operate coal fueled generator plants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 (edited) On 9/13/2018 at 11:41 AM, B-Man said: This is exactly why we needed a political thread. President Donald Trump is disputing the revised official death toll on Puerto Rico from Hurricane Maria, saying Democrats have inflated the actual number of people who died to make him look bad. The official death toll now stands at 2975. This number includes people who died during the storm and a computer estimate of those who died after the storm “due to lack of support and infrastructure”. GW University researchers counted "indirect deaths" from the hurricane after 6 months - which resulted in the updated 2,975 count So The Donald is right in regards to his opposition trying to make the U.S. response seem as poor as possible, however, he definitely is an idiot for responding to such an obvious ploy, he just can't help himself. I'm guessing they took the average number of deaths by population percentage from previous years and compared it to the same time period since the Hurricane? So many different variables had to be accounted for and even the best study can severely underestimate or overestimate the actual death count due to the Hurricane. I'm trying to get my head around Trump's tweets My first thought was why respond at all? Don't give your critics red meat. Maybe use I instead of Trump. Is he being purposely obtuse ? Does he not understand how a lack of electricity and other infrastructure problems will increase the death toll from the Hurricane long term? Does he really think the Democrats made up nearly 3,000 additional deaths to make him look bad? Does he not understand the complexities of getting an estimated long term count of those who died as a result of the Hurricane? Either way he comes across as cold and self absorbed. Edited September 15, 2018 by Doc Brown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 4 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: I'm trying to get my head around Trump's tweets My first thought was why respond at all? Don't give your critics red meat. Maybe use I instead of Trump. Is he being purposely obtuse ? Does he not understand how a lack of electricity and other infrastructure problems will increase the death toll from the Hurricane long term? Does he really think the Democrats made up nearly 3,000 additional deaths to make him look bad? Does he not understand the complexities of getting an estimated long term count of those who died as a result of the Hurricane? Either way he comes across as cold and self absorbed. I think it's one of two reasons for the tweets: 1.) He is continuing his long-standing attack on the media, showing the media's penchant for being disingenuous and trying to mislead the public by distorting facts, taking those distorted facts out of context, then presenting the distorted out-of-context facts to the public to further the media narrative that Trump is trying to destroy everything; or 2.) He's an immature and insecure jackwagon who attacks anyone and anything that says something remotely negative about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 24 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: I'm guessing they took the average number of deaths by population percentage from previous years and compared it to the same time period since the Hurricane? So many different variables had to be accounted for and even the best study can severely underestimate or overestimate the actual death count due to the Hurricane. I'm trying to get my head around Trump's tweets My first thought was why respond at all? Don't give your critics red meat. Maybe use I instead of Trump. Is he being purposely obtuse ? Does he not understand how a lack of electricity and other infrastructure problems will increase the death toll from the Hurricane long term? Does he really think the Democrats made up nearly 3,000 additional deaths to make him look bad? Does he not understand the complexities of getting an estimated long term count of those who died as a result of the Hurricane? Either way he comes across as cold and self absorbed. he may come across as cold and self absorbed but putting the truth in context serves many levels on the chess board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outsidethebox Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 On 9/13/2018 at 7:53 AM, donbb said: There is certainly precedent that the Trump administration disaster relief efforts are piss poor. You're ability to be rational is piss poor On 9/13/2018 at 9:02 AM, Chef Jim said: Or racist. They never have a Hurricane Shaniqu’a. Oh I have a friend who works with a woman who spells her name La-A. Yes....Ladasha Colored people are so creative! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 2 hours ago, Koko78 said: I think it's one of two reasons for the tweets: 2.) He's an immature and insecure jackwagon who attacks anyone and anything that says something remotely negative about him. Bingo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 3 hours ago, Koko78 said: I think it's one of two reasons for the tweets: 1.) He is continuing his long-standing attack on the media, showing the media's penchant for being disingenuous and trying to mislead the public by distorting facts, taking those distorted facts out of context, then presenting the distorted out-of-context facts to the public to further the media narrative that Trump is trying to destroy everything; or 2.) He's an immature and insecure jackwagon who attacks anyone and anything that says something remotely negative about him. I’d go with #2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 3 hours ago, Koko78 said: I think it's one of two reasons for the tweets: 1.) He is continuing his long-standing attack on the media, showing the media's penchant for being disingenuous and trying to mislead the public by distorting facts, taking those distorted facts out of context, then presenting the distorted out-of-context facts to the public to further the media narrative that Trump is trying to destroy everything; or 2.) He's an immature and insecure jackwagon who attacks anyone and anything that says something remotely negative about him. Why is it an either/or? I'd say it was very plainly both 1 and 2. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 9 minutes ago, meazza said: I’d go with #2 oh i see how you are. you do a quick drive by and take a number two 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 3 hours ago, Koko78 said: I think it's one of two reasons for the tweets: 1.) He is continuing his long-standing attack on the media, showing the media's penchant for being disingenuous and trying to mislead the public by distorting facts, taking those distorted facts out of context, then presenting the distorted out-of-context facts to the public to further the media narrative that Trump is trying to destroy everything; or 2.) He's an immature and insecure jackwagon who attacks anyone and anything that says something remotely negative about him. I'd pry go with both. I think the problem is his die hard fans who think he can do no wrong can only see the first reason and those that can't stand the guy can only see the second. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 4 hours ago, Doc Brown said: I'm guessing they took the average number of deaths by population percentage from previous years and compared it to the same time period since the Hurricane? So many different variables had to be accounted for and even the best study can severely underestimate or overestimate the actual death count due to the Hurricane. The crux of the problem is in the bolded. There's other issues, but at the heart of it is the simple fact that "estimate" and "count" are not the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tiberius Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 On 9/13/2018 at 11:41 AM, B-Man said: This is exactly why we needed a political thread. President Donald Trump is disputing the revised official death toll on Puerto Rico from Hurricane Maria, saying Democrats have inflated the actual number of people who died to make him look bad. The official death toll now stands at 2975. This number includes people who died during the storm and a computer estimate of those who died after the storm “due to lack of support and infrastructure”. GW University researchers counted "indirect deaths" from the hurricane after 6 months - which resulted in the updated 2,975 count So The Donald is right in regards to his opposition trying to make the U.S. response seem as poor as possible, however, he definitely is an idiot for responding to such an obvious ploy, he just can't help himself. . . 3000 deaths, that's close to 9-11 numbers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted September 19, 2018 Author Share Posted September 19, 2018 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 In his latest video, Trump comments on Hurricane Florence. “This is a tough hurricane,” he proclaims, “one of the wettest we’ve ever seen from the standpoint of water.” Whether Florence is also wet from other standpoints is a question the president did not address. Really wet water! No lie, DR! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 On 9/17/2018 at 11:08 AM, Buffalo_Gal said: They should ask for a list of names and date of death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Nanker said: They should ask for a list of names and date of death. Just check the voters rolls in November. They'll all be voting solidly Democrat. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Nanker said: They should ask for a list of names and date of death. well, when the dates pre-date the hurricane, it could be somewhat problematic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 14 minutes ago, Foxx said: well, when the dates pre-date the hurricane, it could be somewhat problematic. I didn't know the name Darrell was so popular in the PR. Whole families with the first name of Darrell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 6 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: I didn't know the name Darrell was so popular in the PR. Whole families with the first name of Darrell. Hi I'm Larry Tthis is my brother Darrell isnd this is my other brother Darrell. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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