Hurricane Flo -- Politics Edition

[Buffalo_Gal]

Sometimes I am sad I block trolls because when a thread gets as derailed as this one, I wonder WTH happened. But, most of the time I am just glad I blocked the idjits. 

[njbuff]

To put President Trump in the same sentence as Hurricane Florence is as about as demented as it gets.

 

And you Trump-hating morons can't understand why REAL Americans aren't throwing pitchforks at the President, just like you unhinged idiots do.

 

I just shake my head as this goes to show you that you pinheads will use ANYTHING to continue your stupid hate towards Trump.

[Tiberius]

Drew Angerer/Getty

 

Florida Republican Gov. Rick Scott, who is running for Senate, and gubernatorial candidate Ron DeSantis both turned on President Trump in the wake of his Thursday tweets denying that nearly 3,000 people died in Puerto Rico as a result of Hurricane Maria, publicly reaffirming their confidence in the results of the independent study. “I disagree with @POTUS,” Scott tweeted. “An independent study said thousands were lost and Gov. Rosselló agreed. I’ve been to Puerto Rico 7 times & saw devastation firsthand. The loss of any life is tragic; the extent of lives lost as a result of Maria is heart wrenching. I’ll continue to help PR.” A spokesperson for DeSantis took a similar tack, noting that “[DeSantis] doesn’t believe any loss of life has been inflated,” according to a tweet from an NBC correspondent. Democratic Senate candidate Bill Nelson, who will face Scott in the Nov. 6 primary, also criticized Trump’s take: “The president’s comments on the nearly 3,000 American lives lost in Puerto Rico are shameful. We deserve and expect more from someone who holds the highest office in our country.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/florida-gop-candidates-reject-trumps-denial-of-hurricane-maria-deaths

[IDBillzFan]

4 hours ago, KRC said:

 

Like 240 school shootings in one year, where things like an incident with scissors counts has a school shooting.

 

Or a shooting that occurred at 2 a.m. near a school property, but not involving any students, counts as a school shooting.

[3rdnlng]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

Drew Angerer/Getty

 

Florida Republican Gov. Rick Scott, who is running for Senate, and gubernatorial candidate Ron DeSantis both turned on President Trump in the wake of his Thursday tweets denying that nearly 3,000 people died in Puerto Rico as a result of Hurricane Maria, publicly reaffirming their confidence in the results of the independent study. “I disagree with @POTUS,” Scott tweeted. “An independent study said thousands were lost and Gov. Rosselló agreed. I’ve been to Puerto Rico 7 times & saw devastation firsthand. The loss of any life is tragic; the extent of lives lost as a result of Maria is heart wrenching. I’ll continue to help PR.” A spokesperson for DeSantis took a similar tack, noting that “[DeSantis] doesn’t believe any loss of life has been inflated,” according to a tweet from an NBC correspondent. Democratic Senate candidate Bill Nelson, who will face Scott in the Nov. 6 primary, also criticized Trump’s take: “The president’s comments on the nearly 3,000 American lives lost in Puerto Rico are shameful. We deserve and expect more from someone who holds the highest office in our country.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/florida-gop-candidates-reject-trumps-denial-of-hurricane-maria-deaths

Hey 5 Watt, can you tell us what's wrong with this excerpt?

[boyst]

On 9/12/2018 at 4:29 PM, Koko78 said:

White power!

[Buffalo_Gal]

I wonder why the media thinks this type of crap is working? 

[Deranged Rhino]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

I wonder why the media thinks this type of crap is working? 

 

Because it's not about the truth, it's about reinforcing the narrative to remove the threat to the status quo. 

[\GoBillsInDallas/]

Damn these "racist" hurricanes:

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/13/us/african-americans-hurricane-florence-displacement.html

 

 

[3rdnlng]

32 minutes ago, \GoBillsInDallas/ said:

Damn these "racist" hurricanes:

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/13/us/african-americans-hurricane-florence-displacement.html

 

 

I really feel sorry for these poor blacks that sold their oceanfront property for relatively high prices because?

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[3rdnlng]

Atlantic Hurricanes:

 

 

https://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/top10.asp

 

Hurricane and Tropical Cyclones

• Current Activity
• Hurricane Archive

Hurricane Archive

• Current Activity
• Hurricane Archive

Top 10 Most Active Hurricane Seasons

Seasons with the most named storms, 1851 - Present

Rank	Year	Number of Storms
1.	2005	28
2.	1933	20
3.	2012	19
3.	2011	19
3.	2010	19
3.	1995	19
3.	1887	19
8.	1969	18
9.	2008	16
9.	2003	16
9.	1936	16
12.	2007	15
13.	2004	15
14.	2001	15
15.	2000	15

Seasons with the most hurricanes, 1851 - Present

Rank	Year	Number of Hurricanes
1.	2005	15
2.	2010	12
2.	1969	12
4.	1887	11
4.	1950	11
4.	1998	11
4.	1995	11
8.	2012	10
8.	1933	10
8.	1916	10

Seasons with the most major hurricanes, 1851 - Present

Rank	Year	Number of Major Hurricanes
1.	1950	8
2.	2005	7
3.	1999	6
3.	1996	6
3.	1964	6
3.	1961	6
3.	1955	6
3.	1926	6

Seasons with the highest Accumulated Cyclone Energy (ACE), 1851 - Present

Rank	Year	ACE Index
1.	2005	250
2.	1950	243
3.	1893	231
4.	1995	228
5.	2004	227
6.	1926	222
7.	1933	213
8.	1961	205
9.	1955	199
10.	1998	182

Current Tropical Activity

[3rdnlng]

It would appear that the local and state governments along with FEMA were very well prepared for Flo. They are not out of the water yet  but things are looking pretty good considering the obstacles that the Carolinas were facing.

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Koko78]

1 hour ago, 3rdnlng said:

It would appear that the local and state governments along with FEMA were very well prepared for Flo. They are not out of the water yet  but things are looking pretty good considering the obstacles that the Carolinas were facing.

 

Thank God that Obama left FEMA in a good place to handle the catastrophe.

[Azalin]

3 hours ago, 3rdnlng said:

Atlantic Hurricanes:

 

 

You ought to consider posting this list in the global warming thread as well.

[Buffalo_Gal]

 

[boyst]

4 hours ago, 3rdnlng said:

Atlantic Hurricanes:

 

 

https://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/top10.asp

 

Hurricane and Tropical Cyclones

• Current Activity
• Hurricane Archive

Hurricane Archive

• Current Activity
• Hurricane Archive

Top 10 Most Active Hurricane Seasons

Seasons with the most named storms, 1851 - Present

Rank	Year	Number of Storms
1.	2005	28
2.	1933	20
3.	2012	19
3.	2011	19
3.	2010	19
3.	1995	19
3.	1887	19
8.	1969	18
9.	2008	16
9.	2003	16
9.	1936	16
12.	2007	15
13.	2004	15
14.	2001	15
15.	2000	15

Seasons with the most hurricanes, 1851 - Present

Rank	Year	Number of Hurricanes
1.	2005	15
2.	2010	12
2.	1969	12
4.	1887	11
4.	1950	11
4.	1998	11
4.	1995	11
8.	2012	10
8.	1933	10
8.	1916	10

Seasons with the most major hurricanes, 1851 - Present

Rank	Year	Number of Major Hurricanes
1.	1950	8
2.	2005	7
3.	1999	6
3.	1996	6
3.	1964	6
3.	1961	6
3.	1955	6
3.	1926	6

Seasons with the highest Accumulated Cyclone Energy (ACE), 1851 - Present

Rank	Year	ACE Index
1.	2005	250
2.	1950	243
3.	1893	231
4.	1995	228
5.	2004	227
6.	1926	222
7.	1933	213
8.	1961	205
9.	1955	199
10.	1998	182

Current Tropical Activity

Funny that almost all of this is information from 1950/60 on when radar and satellite tracking became huge. Methinks the data is wrong.

 

[DC Tom]

7 hours ago, 3rdnlng said:

Atlantic Hurricanes:

 

 

https://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/top10.asp

 

Hurricane and Tropical Cyclones

• Current Activity
• Hurricane Archive

Hurricane Archive

• Current Activity
• Hurricane Archive

Top 10 Most Active Hurricane Seasons

Seasons with the most named storms, 1851 - Present

Rank	Year	Number of Storms
1.	2005	28
2.	1933	20
3.	2012	19
3.	2011	19
3.	2010	19
3.	1995	19
3.	1887	19
8.	1969	18
9.	2008	16
9.	2003	16
9.	1936	16
12.	2007	15
13.	2004	15
14.	2001	15
15.	2000	15

Seasons with the most hurricanes, 1851 - Present

Rank	Year	Number of Hurricanes
1.	2005	15
2.	2010	12
2.	1969	12
4.	1887	11
4.	1950	11
4.	1998	11
4.	1995	11
8.	2012	10
8.	1933	10
8.	1916	10

Seasons with the most major hurricanes, 1851 - Present

Rank	Year	Number of Major Hurricanes
1.	1950	8
2.	2005	7
3.	1999	6
3.	1996	6
3.	1964	6
3.	1961	6
3.	1955	6
3.	1926	6

Seasons with the highest Accumulated Cyclone Energy (ACE), 1851 - Present

Rank	Year	ACE Index
1.	2005	250
2.	1950	243
3.	1893	231
4.	1995	228
5.	2004	227
6.	1926	222
7.	1933	213
8.	1961	205
9.	1955	199
10.	1998	182

Current Tropical Activity

 

  Suffers from the same flaws as climate change research does - historical numbers are estimated and interpolated, not directly measured, and means and methods of measurement change with time.  

 

[yall]

On 9/13/2018 at 10:18 AM, DC Tom said:

 

Little known fact: "La-A" is an obscure but perfectly valid alternate spelling of "idiot."

It's also a perfectly racist trope that just won't seem to die.

 

Little known fact: there aren't any people on record named "La-A".

[3rdnlng]

1 hour ago, DC Tom said:

 

  Suffers from the same flaws as climate change research does - historical numbers are estimated and interpolated, not directly measured, and means and methods of measurement change with time.  

 

 

1 hour ago, DC Tom said:

 

  Suffers from the same flaws as climate change research does - historical numbers are estimated and interpolated, not directly measured, and means and methods of measurement change with time.  

 

Of course it does, but nobody is trying to predict the future with these numbers. They probably have the number of storms and hurricanes about right. The description of the intensity  is what might be off somewhat from the 19th century to present day. What we call a level 4 hurricane today was called a real shitkicker back in the day. What we do know is that there have always been storms, hurricanes and bad hurricanes and these happened when men were rubbing two sticks together to start a fire the same as when we operate coal fueled generator plants.  

[Doc Brown]

On 9/13/2018 at 11:41 AM, B-Man said:

 

 

This is exactly why we needed a political thread.

 

President Donald Trump is disputing the revised official death toll on Puerto Rico from Hurricane Maria, saying Democrats have inflated the actual number of people who died to make him look bad.

 

The official death toll now stands at 2975.

 

This number includes people who died during the storm and a computer estimate of those who died after the storm “due to lack of support and infrastructure”.

 

GW University researchers counted "indirect deaths" from the hurricane after 6 months - which resulted in the updated 2,975 count

 

 

So The Donald is right in regards to his opposition trying to make the U.S. response seem as poor as possible,

 

however, he definitely is an idiot for responding to such an obvious ploy, he just can't help himself.

I'm guessing they took the average number of deaths by population percentage from previous years and compared it to the same time period since the Hurricane?  So many different variables had to be accounted for and even the best study can severely underestimate or overestimate the actual death count due to the Hurricane.

 

I'm trying to get my head around Trump's tweets

 

My first thought was why respond at all?  Don't give your critics red meat.  Maybe use I instead of Trump.  Is he being purposely obtuse ?  Does he not understand how a lack of electricity and other infrastructure problems will increase the death toll from the Hurricane long term?  Does he really think the Democrats made up nearly 3,000 additional deaths to make him look bad? Does he not understand the complexities of getting an estimated long term count of those who died as a result of the Hurricane?  Either way he comes across as cold and self absorbed.  

Edited September 15, 2018 by Doc Brown

[Koko78]

4 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

I'm trying to get my head around Trump's tweets

 

My first thought was why respond at all?  Don't give your critics red meat.  Maybe use I instead of Trump.  Is he being purposely obtuse ?  Does he not understand how a lack of electricity and other infrastructure problems will increase the death toll from the Hurricane long term?  Does he really think the Democrats made up nearly 3,000 additional deaths to make him look bad? Does he not understand the complexities of getting an estimated long term count of those who died as a result of the Hurricane?  Either way he comes across as cold and self absorbed.  

 

I think it's one of two reasons for the tweets:

 

1.) He is continuing his long-standing attack on the media, showing the media's penchant for being disingenuous and trying to mislead the public by distorting facts, taking those distorted facts out of context, then presenting the distorted out-of-context facts to the public to further the media narrative that Trump is trying to destroy everything; or

 

2.) He's an immature and insecure jackwagon who attacks anyone and anything that says something remotely negative about him.

[Foxx]

24 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

I'm guessing they took the average number of deaths by population percentage from previous years and compared it to the same time period since the Hurricane?  So many different variables had to be accounted for and even the best study can severely underestimate or overestimate the actual death count due to the Hurricane.

 

I'm trying to get my head around Trump's tweets

 

My first thought was why respond at all?  Don't give your critics red meat.  Maybe use I instead of Trump.  Is he being purposely obtuse ?  Does he not understand how a lack of electricity and other infrastructure problems will increase the death toll from the Hurricane long term?  Does he really think the Democrats made up nearly 3,000 additional deaths to make him look bad? Does he not understand the complexities of getting an estimated long term count of those who died as a result of the Hurricane?  Either way he comes across as cold and self absorbed.  

he may come across as cold and self absorbed but putting the truth in context serves many levels on the chess board.

[outsidethebox]

On 9/13/2018 at 7:53 AM, donbb said:

There is certainly precedent that the Trump administration disaster relief efforts are piss poor.

 

You're ability to be rational is piss poor

On 9/13/2018 at 9:02 AM, Chef Jim said:

 

Or racist. They never have a Hurricane Shaniqu’a. 

 

Oh I have a friend who works with a woman who spells her name La-A. Yes....Ladasha 

Colored people are so creative!

[GG]

2 hours ago, Koko78 said:

 

I think it's one of two reasons for the tweets:

 

 

2.) He's an immature and insecure jackwagon who attacks anyone and anything that says something remotely negative about him.

 

Bingo

[meazza]

3 hours ago, Koko78 said:

 

I think it's one of two reasons for the tweets:

 

1.) He is continuing his long-standing attack on the media, showing the media's penchant for being disingenuous and trying to mislead the public by distorting facts, taking those distorted facts out of context, then presenting the distorted out-of-context facts to the public to further the media narrative that Trump is trying to destroy everything; or

 

2.) He's an immature and insecure jackwagon who attacks anyone and anything that says something remotely negative about him.

I’d go with #2

[Azalin]

3 hours ago, Koko78 said:

 

I think it's one of two reasons for the tweets:

 

1.) He is continuing his long-standing attack on the media, showing the media's penchant for being disingenuous and trying to mislead the public by distorting facts, taking those distorted facts out of context, then presenting the distorted out-of-context facts to the public to further the media narrative that Trump is trying to destroy everything; or

 

2.) He's an immature and insecure jackwagon who attacks anyone and anything that says something remotely negative about him.

 

Why is it an either/or? I'd say it was very plainly both 1 and 2.

[/dev/null]

9 minutes ago, meazza said:

I’d go with #2

 

oh i see how you are.  you do a quick drive by and take a number two

 

[Doc Brown]

3 hours ago, Koko78 said:

 

I think it's one of two reasons for the tweets:

 

1.) He is continuing his long-standing attack on the media, showing the media's penchant for being disingenuous and trying to mislead the public by distorting facts, taking those distorted facts out of context, then presenting the distorted out-of-context facts to the public to further the media narrative that Trump is trying to destroy everything; or

 

2.) He's an immature and insecure jackwagon who attacks anyone and anything that says something remotely negative about him.

I'd pry go with both.  I think the problem is his die hard fans who think he can do no wrong can only see the first reason and those that can't stand the guy can only see the second.  

[DC Tom]

4 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

I'm guessing they took the average number of deaths by population percentage from previous years and compared it to the same time period since the Hurricane?  So many different variables had to be accounted for and even the best study can severely underestimate or overestimate the actual death count due to the Hurricane.

 

The crux of the problem is in the bolded.  There's other issues, but at the heart of it is the simple fact that "estimate" and "count" are not the same thing.  

[Buffalo_Gal]

 

[Tiberius]

On 9/13/2018 at 11:41 AM, B-Man said:

 

 

This is exactly why we needed a political thread.

 

President Donald Trump is disputing the revised official death toll on Puerto Rico from Hurricane Maria, saying Democrats have inflated the actual number of people who died to make him look bad.

 

The official death toll now stands at 2975.

 

This number includes people who died during the storm and a computer estimate of those who died after the storm “due to lack of support and infrastructure”.

 

GW University researchers counted "indirect deaths" from the hurricane after 6 months - which resulted in the updated 2,975 count

 

 

So The Donald is right in regards to his opposition trying to make the U.S. response seem as poor as possible,

 

however, he definitely is an idiot for responding to such an obvious ploy, he just can't help himself.

 

 

 

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 3000 deaths, that's close to 9-11 numbers 

[B-Man]

[Tiberius]

In his latest video, Trump comments on Hurricane Florence. “This is a tough hurricane,” he proclaims, “one of the wettest we’ve ever seen from the standpoint of water.” Whether Florence is also wet from other standpoints is a question the president did not address.

 

 

Really wet water! No lie, DR! 

[Nanker]

On 9/17/2018 at 11:08 AM, Buffalo_Gal said:

 

They should ask for a list of names and date of death. 

[Koko78]

1 hour ago, Nanker said:

They should ask for a list of names and date of death. 

 

Just check the voters rolls in November. They'll all be voting solidly Democrat.

[Foxx]

1 hour ago, Nanker said:

They should ask for a list of names and date of death. 

well, when the dates pre-date the hurricane, it could be somewhat problematic.

[3rdnlng]

14 minutes ago, Foxx said:

well, when the dates pre-date the hurricane, it could be somewhat problematic.

I didn't know the name Darrell was so popular in the PR. Whole families with the first name of Darrell.

[Wacka]

6 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

I didn't know the name Darrell was so popular in the PR. Whole families with the first name of Darrell.

Hi I'm Larry  Tthis is my brother Darrell isnd this is my other brother Darrell.