I miss Tyrod! There I've said it! Why lie to us McBeane?

[Fadingpain]

5 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said:

Why do Bills fans continue to hate Tyrod? Did you watch the game today?

I actually really like Tyrod, al least as a person.  It has nothing to do with hate.

 

I just don't want him anywhere near the QB position on my football team.

 

 

[apuszczalowski]

2 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

Brandon Beane and Sean McDermott would like us to be competitive and win right now.

But they aren't going to sacrifice the LONG-TERM FUTURE of this team, for the sake of competing for a wild card position THIS SEASON.

 

It just baffles me that so many fans just can't grasp this concept.

 

Every... Single... Move... made by this front office in the past 2 seasons has been made with the team's long-term future in mind.

Why keep a player around, if they aren't going to fit into the team's long-term plans?  Especially if another team is willing to offer you a draft pick in exchange for that player?  This is the question that can be asked about Sammy Watkins, Ronald Darby, Marcel Dareus, Tyrod Taylor, etc. 

 

 

This is just a way of trying to excuse them being bad. You cant as a front office or coaching staff in pro sports continue to give up seasons now to look to the future cause you wont be around long enough to see it through. You can make moves for the future but you have to build off of what you have and improve on the year before. Always looking and making moves for the future is what gets you 17 years between playoff appearances.....

[Bob in STL]

The Browns game was on at the Sports Bar, on the screen right next to the Bills debacle.

 

Tyrod was typical Tyrod.  He failed to get the a win at the end of regulation, throwing the pick when they were close to a FG.  He played good enough to not blow the game.  His mediocrity coupled with 5 turnovers gave the Brownies a tie. 

 

He is s far better QB than Peterman, but who isn't.

 

[apuszczalowski]

3 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

Your missing the point and Tyrod did not "keep them in the game" How can't you win a football game when your D hands your offense SIX  turnovers? 

 

It's pathetic that it even came to a tie in OT.

Well by that thinking, Peterman didnt lose the game for the Bill's either, he didnt give up 40+ points in the game. Guess he should start next week....

[Real McClappy]

14 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said:

Well by that thinking, Peterman didnt lose the game for the Bill's either, he didnt give up 40+ points in the game. Guess he should start next week....

The Bills failed in every single facet of the game today. The Browns should easily be 1-0 right now but are not due to one reason.

 

Neither Tyrod or Peterman should be the Bills QB. Our team has so many problems at this stage I cannot even properly evaluate Allen either. The Bills are a hot mess right now and I'm not even sure next years FA and draft can fix it. 

Edited September 9, 2018 by Real McCoy

[Rufridr101]

I feel tyrod was never given a fair shake when it was rex coaching the defense sucked for his style of play last year with a better d not great and less offensive weapons than he had rexy squeaked into playoffs 

[BringBackOrton]

10 minutes ago, Rufridr101 said:

I feel tyrod was never given a fair shake when it was rex coaching the defense sucked for his style of play last year with a better d not great and less offensive weapons than he had rexy squeaked into playoffs 

FAIR SHAKE

 

TIE RODDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[Real McClappy]

11 minutes ago, Rufridr101 said:

I feel tyrod was never given a fair shake when it was rex coaching the defense sucked for his style of play last year with a better d not great and less offensive weapons than he had rexy squeaked into playoffs 

3 full season starting is way more than a fair shake.

[BeginnersMind]

24 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I thought our D showed flashes at first.  But by the middle of the 3rd quarter they were just worn down.

Agree it's too soon for Allen.

 

 

All of this. Allen looks good in bursts but he's not ready and it's not worth ruining him. 

 

Also agree that the D had moments, especially in run D before they had their 8th straight 3 minute break. 

 

The O-line didn't lose that game. The QB talent did the most to lose it. 

[mjt328]

20 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said:

This is just a way of trying to excuse them being bad. You cant as a front office or coaching staff in pro sports continue to give up seasons now to look to the future cause you wont be around long enough to see it through. You can make moves for the future but you have to build off of what you have and improve on the year before. Always looking and making moves for the future is what gets you 17 years between playoff appearances.....

 

No.  Actually, the Bills have been doing the exact opposite for most of the last 17 years.

This is the first complete rebuild the Bills have done since Tom Donahoe was hired after the Music City Miracle. 

 

Do you really feel like Buddy Nix (who refused to move away from Ryan Fitzpatrick) or Doug Whaley (trading extra picks to move up for Sammy Watkins) were making moves with the FUTURE in mind?  Nope.

 

If you break-down the 2017 Bills and the 2018 Bills, these are the major differences you will find:

- They traded their below-average QB Tyrod Taylor for a 3rd Round Pick (robbery) and drafted his replacement in the Top 10

- They let their below-average MLB Preston Brown walk in Free Agency (oh well) and drafted his replacement in the Top 20

- They lost their best O-Line players (Eric Wood and Ritchie Incognito) due to retirement

- They let EJ Gaines walk in Free Agency, mostly because he couldn't stay healthy

 

They played all of last season (finishing 9-7 and making the playoffs) without Sammy Watkins or Ronald Darby.  They only had Marcel Dareus for 5 games.  They only had Cordy Glenn for 6 games. 

 

[Teddy KGB]

58 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said:

Your right, because they now dumped him to the Browns they have to throw Allen into the starter role 3 quarters into the season. I'm sure that's as long as they hoped to keep him on the bench to learn. Taylor kept them in enough games to make the playoffs last year. Peterman cant even make it through a game as a starter

 

Lets pay 20 plus million to a qb who can’t win a game with a plus 5 turnover differential? 

 

Thats a pretty dumb idea no ? 

Edited September 9, 2018 by Teddy KGB

[87168]

funny the amount of people bashing TT, when both our QB today put zero points on the board, and the starting QB was benched and sacked 5 times. I guess that's better than 5 picks.

 

it seems to some that McD is all powerful and can do no wrong. he quite possibly set this team pretty far back.

[Talley56]

Fine, then I miss Fitz.  Who looked amazing today going on the road and was a big reason for a victory over a very good team.

[Scott7975]

1 hour ago, October 1918 said:

I get that Peterman knows the offense well, but it is painfully obvious to even the most casual observer that he doesn't have an NFL arm. We're losing games either way... letting Allen learn on the fly at least gives fans a reason to watch.

 

 

I still can’t believe people were suckered in by pre season. I seen all I needed to see from peterman last season. 

 

I would rather and and have always rather that they played the rookie and let him take his lumps and get experience. I wouldn’t care what that looked like as long as I seen some improvement over the season. This team is nowhere near even wildcard contender so who cares?

 

no online no receivers and the defense sucks now too. 

[billieve420]

21 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

Lets pay 20 plus million to a qb who can’t win a game with a plus 5 turnover differential? 

 

Thats a pretty dumb idea no ? 

 

Bills made the right decision to move on when they received a good offer from Cleveland. 

 

However, for all the uproar over 56 yds Tyrod put against NO. Peterman puts together an even worse performance today. We keep hearing about how bad Tyrod is but it doesn’t really matter who the QB is back there. This team is soft and lack talent on both sides of the ball. We can’t rush the passer and can’t run the ball effectively. Some of that blame goes to the coaching staff but until those problems are addressed we are not going anywhere regardless of the QB.

Edited September 9, 2018 by billieve420

[Scorp83]

1 hour ago, billsfan11 said:

Really never understood how people thought that.

 

Tyrod isn’t good and they needed to move on, but this is proof you can get much worse than him

Well said... I use to get mad when watching Tyrod... now seeing this... the grass wasn't greener 

[Scott7975]

55 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said:

 

All of this. Allen looks good in bursts but he's not ready and it's not worth ruining him. 

 

Also agree that the D had moments, especially in run D before they had their 8th straight 3 minute break. 

 

The O-line didn't lose that game. The QB talent did the most to lose it. 

It won’t ruin him. That crap is a myth. Either he learns and improves or he was never going to be good anyways. 

[Lfod]

I still don't miss Tyrod. 

Edited September 9, 2018 by Lfod

[#34fan]

5 hours ago, BillsEnthusiast said:

 

Define "perform"

 

Building a championship team.

 

3 hours ago, Talley56 said:

Fine, then I miss Fitz.  Who looked amazing today going on the road and was a big reason for a victory over a very good team.

 

Until he turns back into a pumpkin.

Edited September 10, 2018 by #34fan

[Rufridr101]

Beginning of the next 20 year drought 

[Orlando Tim]

3 hours ago, billieve420 said:

 

Bills made the right decision to move on when they received a good offer from Cleveland. 

 

However, for all the uproar over 56 yds Tyrod put against NO. Peterman puts together an even worse performance today. We keep hearing about how bad Tyrod is but it doesn’t really matter who the QB is back there. This team is soft and lack talent on both sides of the ball. We can’t rush the passer and can’t run the ball effectively. Some of that blame goes to the coaching staff but until those problems are addressed we are not going anywhere regardless of the QB.

I was one who thought our line would not take a big step back this year but i was wrong. The line us pathetic and it makes our qb even worse. Tyrod and nate could have been swapped today and i bet the results would have been the same. Neither is very good right now but joe montana wpuld not win with that team today

[Roundybout]

23 minutes ago, #34fan said:

 

Building a championship team.

 

 

 

Easy to do in one offseason and no cap space.

[#34fan]

2 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said:

 

Easy to do in one offseason and no cap space.

 

Sometimes that's the job.  These guys fielded a team today that looked like they couldn't play.

[Talley56]

On 9/9/2018 at 9:46 PM, #34fan said:

 

Building a championship team.

 

 

Until he turns back into a pumpkin.

That may happen.  Point is if we are going to give credit to one of our old QBs who had an okay game and ended in a tie (and even threw a pick late in the 4th close to winning field goal range) let’s also give credit to our old QB who played great and was the main reason his team beat a very good team.

[John from Riverside]

As a card carrying member of COT who brought the punch and pie......

 

It was time to move on from Tyrod Taylor.....the team was not going to get where it needed to go with him......

 

Winning NFL teams pass the ball....yes you need good balance in all facets....but you HAVE to be able to pass the ball or teams will just scheme it and shut down your offense.....

 

This is where I have high hopes for Josh Allen.....he can stand in that pocket and throw anywhere on the field...he isnt afraid to throw it.....but he also can run out of trouble and get you a first down with his legs......really need that QB that can do everything so t he defense cant take anything away.....we need to DICTATE TO THEM what we are going to do not the other way around.

[#34fan]

On ‎9‎/‎11‎/‎2018 at 1:11 PM, Talley56 said:

That may happen.  Point is if we are going to give credit to one of our old QBs who had an okay game and ended in a tie (and even threw a pick late in the 4th close to winning field goal range) let’s also give credit to our old QB who played great and was the main reason his team beat a very good team.

 

FTR, I give Tyrod zero credit as a starting QB... And I absolutely take my hat off to Fitz.   Fitz is a guy who threw a lot of picks as Bills starting QB... High balls, Errant balls, -you name it... Now he's got some big, fast dudes he can't overthrow, with huge catch radii, so they're hard to miss... He knows what he's got, and is smart enough to exploit it.

 

-Which already makes him better than Jameis Winston.

 

 

 

Edited September 16, 2018 by #34fan

[BigDingus]

I'm not feeling up to reading through all 5 pages, but to respond to the OP, I don't miss TT at all...

Better to pull of the mediocre band-aid & get through with the growing pains than to tread water & having nothing but perpetual 7 to 9 win seasons to look forward to for years on end.

Tyrod wasn't good. He was a guy who wasn't ever going to win you the game, but he could do just enough that perhaps you wouldn't lose. To say "he won't lose you the game," would be wrong, as his inability to play QB cost us many games we definitely would've won with even Kyle Orton level play.

 

Just because a 5th rounder with about 6 quarters of game experience, and a rookie who's raw & a clear project QB aren't/haven't played well, doesn't mean Tyrod is suddenly good, or even the better option for the team. 

 

He was 15 of 40 passing last week for god's sake....and even with throwing 40 freaking passes, the guy STILL couldn't break 200 yards passing! I mean, when opposing teams say the best way to beat Tyrod is make him play the position he's supposed to play, that's not the sign of a good QB! Can he run & make plays on his feet? Sure. Can he keep some plays alive by scrambling around? Sure. But those same elements also contributed to many blown opportunities, sacks and 3 & outs. And when your only hope against most competitive teams is to nurse a slim lead & hope the clock expires before they slip ahead, it's not a good recipe for success.

 

With Tyrod as our starter, the Bills were something like 3-23 in games where the Bills went down by even 1 single point in the 4th quarter. If the other team pulled ahead at any point, might as well pack the bags because Tyrod sure wasn't going to mount a comeback. If anything, you'd get to see drive after drive of checkdowns on 3rd & long, as the defense gasped for air having to run back on the field moments after they just got off.

Anyway, I rather we take our beatdowns now rather than later. Get it over with, and stop toiling in ineptitude & mediocrity. 

[Ayjent]

On 9/9/2018 at 5:28 PM, Real McCoy said:

3 full season starting is way more than a fair shake.

He’s a serviceable starter...and he’s showed it.  He’s not a great QB and he’s not a franchise guy, but you can do a lot worse.   He’s the perfect guy to keep around until you get better options, just like Fitz was.  Same mistake, different front office.  

 

He he would have struggled even more than in past seasons in Buffalo this year anyhow with the way the talent on Offense has gone down.  The one thing I think sunshine and unicorn fans don’t realize is that in football, you can’t just build with a demolition job to the roster - the pressure to hit on all of your draft picks and free agent signings is immense and no one is consistently that good in talent evaluation - we’d already have seen that on display if they were, and quite the contrary as far as FAs go, and the draft strategy has been baffling to some degree with the lack of focus on the OL.   OL needs time to develop as individuals and as a unit as well, but is a necessary component to protecting your huge investment in a top 10draft pick at QB.  

 

How many bad contracts are they going to have to sign to get the best FAs on the market on the OL and WR positions?  Having a lot of money under the cap is best used to keep guys you covet and develop on your team, not guys that other teams don’t think are worth the money they’ll get in FA?  So keep letting the Bills blow sunshine up your caboose, but the train is going off the rails ahead - it’s pretty clear if you’re paying attention.  This is “the process” of destroying a team which will take many, many years to correct and it will become clear to even the most optimistic fans (well there are some that will bill-lieve in “the process” no matter the evidence until its officially over) after next year that they really had a terrible plan.

 

Look I get why people wanted to move on from Tyrod, but you’ve got to get a better depth chart at QB than they put together.  If they were willing to take a flyer on Corey Coleman for a 7th round pick and 3.5 mill salary, why not Bridgewater for no draft pick and 6 mill?  We’re they concerned about Bridgewater being good enough to create a controversy if they wanted to start their rookie draft pick?  I would hope not, but I would think that Buffalo was a more attractive option for Bridgewater being a playoff team and a better path to starting.  I just don’t think the Bills were interested.  

Edited September 16, 2018 by Ayjent

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

On 9/9/2018 at 3:24 PM, Rad Likes The Bills said:

He is still mediocre. But mediocre is better than awful

I'd rather take the unknown awful with potential than the known mediocre that I know will never win a super bowl.