Tiberius Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 https://www.marketwatch.com/story/kudlow-says-white-house-taking-a-look-at-regulating-google-searches-2018-08-28 Another move towards East German style government. Any word of outrage from Libertarians? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 Google is a private platform. Even if a platform like Google is targeting conservatives, I’m tired of hearing them complain about it. I say if you don’t like the way they conduct business, don’t use it. There are other platforms to get information from. Instead of bitching about it, conservatives need to sit down and talk to Google. In the infamous words of Mrs. Ringwood......... “Work the f@cking thing out”. A reference from the movie “An Innocent Man”’ for those who don’t know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 I, as a general rule, don't support increasing government regulations in businesses, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't afraid of behemoths like Amazon and Google. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 LOL...............................another laughingly mis-named Gator thread.......................it must be a day that ends in "Y" Funny: Just over a year ago, in June 2017, the European Union fined the company $2.7 billion for … bias in its search algorithms. Yes, Trump’s off-the-cuff charge focused on political bias, whereas the EU verdict (after a seven-year investigation) was about the company “systematically favoring” its own Google Shopping feature. But all the Trump-bashers who were suggesting Google would never, ever put its thumb on the scale seem to have ignored at least one elephant in the room. As we write, the top headlines on Google News include two CNN stories: “Trump slams Google search as ‘rigged’ — but it’s not” and “Debunking Donald Trump’s latest conspiracy theory on Google.” How is the average web surfer to trust that Google isn’t weighting those stories? The layman has plenty of reasons to worry about political bias to which the company could be blind: Silicon Valley is a notorious progressive place (except on issues that touch its own interests, anyway), and the internal Google discussion over “dissident” engineer James Damore showed a shocking intolerance for the merest questioning of certain left-liberal pieties. On the commercial front, Google’s power is obvious: Its algorithms can literally make or break a company — perhaps a whole industry. Google says, “We respectfully disagree with” the EU ruling that it “abused its market dominance,” but that’s not exactly a rebuttal. We’re no fans of heavy-handed government intervention, but any free democratic society is going to frown on enormous unchecked power. It certainly seems like some kind of independent oversight is called for here. https://nypost.com/2018/08/28/we-should-all-be-worried-about-googles-power/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 There is so much wrong with Facebook, Google, Twitter, I can't even begin to start. The biggest problem for Facebook is they take advantage of laws that say "not our problem, we didn't publish it, we are just the messenger" and then in addition to algorithms, they also depress reach - it is pay to play if you want them to show something that is going to take people off Facebook - a joke, a photo that keeps people on Facebook will get better reach. A status with a link? Dies without immediate engagement. People have taken advantage of the report features to kill reach or hurt pages when they do not like the content. For Google it isn't simply search algorithms and depressing search returns (Google does a pretty decent job of combating manipulations, so if you see something not show up in Google search that you think should, it is possible they truly have deindexed it). The google ad network services something like 80% of all ads on the internet (I could find out exactly, but don't want to bother my publisher). There is a lot of clout being the search engine that services the majority of search (based on the last thing you searched for so they can target ads), as well as the major network that keeps websites afloat on the internet. What they did to ads on youtube crushed a lot of people. (duckduckgo has come a long way in search, and it returns truer search returns as it is not based on what you last searched for, and they do not have a publishing network). If they pulled a Ma Bell on Facebook, Google, Twitter, etc it would be painful for them, and possibly better for all of us. However, there are laws of unintended consequences, and I cannot say with any degree of certainty that breaking up any of those would lead to better products or a more open internet for the masses. The worst thing about search and social media is the big-boys buy everyone and everything that might even be considered a competitor possibly, sometime, in the future. Great payout for whatever they purchased, painful for us poor slobs looking for a competitor. It is tough to try and launch something new... look how long duckduckgo has been at it. Gab is two years old and just passed 600K users. StumbleUpon shutdown last month and is now trying to grow a new platform from scratch. Every day I get a new email about the newest next-best-thing in social media. And they go nowhere. I do not pretend to know the answer to these complex questions, but I could write a book and complain about any one of them. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Go for it don. Get the shmucks at twitter while your at it. Ban Tiberius from all platforms while you’re at it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Clinton went after Microsoft but these things take care of themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 3 hours ago, njbuff said: Google is a private platform. Even if a platform like Google is targeting conservatives, I’m tired of hearing them complain about it. I say if you don’t like the way they conduct business, don’t use it. There are other platforms to get information from. Instead of bitching about it, conservatives need to sit down and talk to Google. In the infamous words of Mrs. Ringwood......... “Work the f@cking thing out”. A reference from the movie “An Innocent Man”’ for those who don’t know. Are Conservatives Going To Ask Government For A Social Media ‘Fairness Doctrine’ Or Learn To Take Risks And Compete? https://www.redstate.com/jimjamitis/2018/08/29/conservatives-going-ask-government-social-media-fairness-doctrine-learn-take-risks-compete/ All the hubbub about anti-conservative bias in social media and search engine results is starting to remind me of those days when the left was complaining about conservatives dominating talk radio. That was before social media was even a thing, or at least before it was being used by anyone with a job. The answer to the perceived unfairness we gave then is the same one we should give now: Let the market work. Much more at the link: . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 By my own experience, I find that I can find anything searching in Google, only sometimes I need to go a page or two deep. Any weighting or bias I've seen just pushes certain search results to the top, it doesn't obscure them altogether. If you're willing to dig a little, you can find what you're looking for. To me, Twitter is nothing more than a cesspool of insipid opinion, with an occasional sprinkle of wit or insight but not enough to spend a second of my time with. If you get your news from Yahoo or your Facebook feed, you're not going to know too much that's accurate. There is nothing in my opinion that warrants government regulation, control, or involvement beyond what's already in place. Ultimately, if people don't trust their news sources or social networks, alternatives will emerge. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 i've been regulating Google for some time via DuckDuckGo 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 9 hours ago, 4merper4mer said: Clinton went after Microsoft but these things take care of themselves. When Clinton "went after" Microsoft he did so in a way that entrenched Microsoft as the industry leader for generations. The major part of Microsoft's "settlement" was that it agreed to provide it's software, free, to elementary and high schools all across the country. Mac labs were out, and several generations of children learned computing exclusively on Microsoft platforms, carving out massive market share. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: When Clinton "went after" Microsoft he did so in a way that entrenched Microsoft as the industry leader for generations. The major part of Microsoft's "settlement" was that it agreed to provide it's software, free, to elementary and high schools all across the country. Mac labs were out, and several generations of children learned computing exclusively on Microsoft platforms, carving out massive market share. I know right. Every kid I see now just can't take their eyes off their Windows CE powered phone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 7 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: I know right. Every kid I see now just can't take their eyes off their Windows CE powered phone. Technology changed the marketplace over time, as it always does in every industry, but at the time it cemented Microsoft as the industry leader for several generations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: Technology changed the marketplace over time, as it always does in every industry, but at the time it cemented Microsoft as the industry leader for several generations. Define generation and define industry. And what do you think I meant when I said "these things have a way of taking care of themselves"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: Define generation and define industry. In computing, I would define generation in terms of wide reaching technology leaps. For the purpose of this discussion, I'd say the end of Microsoft's dominance began with the introduction of the smart phone. Industry would be a specific branch of commercial activity. And what do you think I meant when I said "these things have a way of taking care of themselves"? I wasn't disagreeing with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Now if he can only get google to bring up articles or pages that are not 5 years old when I search for information. Five years is a lifetime these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Don't necessarily want them regulated, but I wouldn't mind seeing them broken up. And by them I mean all the social media and internet conglomerates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 But just watch Trump's statement have all the pro-net-neutrality people unintentionally making arguments that are ultimately against net neutrality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 1 hour ago, TakeYouToTasker said: In computing, I would define generation in terms of wide reaching technology leaps. For the purpose of this discussion, I'd say the end of Microsoft's dominance began with the introduction of the smart phone. Before the smart phone, what was the threat to Microsoft's dominance and how did free computers to schools squelch it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 13 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: Before the smart phone, what was the threat to Microsoft's dominance and how did free computers to schools squelch it? Take one a day to keep the doctor away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Hatch asks FTC to investigate Google's market dominance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 (edited) On 8/29/2018 at 8:17 PM, BringBackOrton said: I, as a general rule, don't support increasing government regulations in businesses, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't afraid of behemoths like Amazon and Google. I truly believe that if our republic falls it won’t be to another nation, or a rouge general — it will be to an Elon Musk type. On 8/29/2018 at 6:55 PM, Tiberius said: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/kudlow-says-white-house-taking-a-look-at-regulating-google-searches-2018-08-28 Another move towards East German style government. Any word of outrage from Libertarians? I’m a republican. I’m outraged. There are conservatives who do not like Trump. I support probably over 60% of his policies if not more, but his authoritarian desires motivate me to vote him outa office. Edited August 31, 2018 by The_Dude 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 9 minutes ago, The_Dude said: I truly believe that if our republic falls it won’t be to another nation, or a rouge general — it will be to an Elon Mush type. I’m a republican. I’m outraged. There are conservatives who do not like Trump. I support probably over 60% of his policies if not more, but his authoritarian desires motivate me to vote him outa office. Definitely not with that transgender ban. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, BringBackOrton said: Definitely not with that transgender ban. Ha! I do that sooo often. The fact I’m pretty decent at French too, you’d think I wouldn’t make that mistake. Edited August 30, 2018 by The_Dude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 6 hours ago, The_Dude said: I truly believe that if our republic falls it won’t be to another nation, or a rouge general — it will be to an Elon Mush type. I’m a republican. I’m outraged. There are conservatives who do not like Trump. I support probably over 60% of his policies if not more, but his authoritarian desires motivate me to vote him outa office. What authoritarian desires? Most everything he's unilaterally done is an attempt to get Congress to do their !@#$ing job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, Koko78 said: What authoritarian desires? Most everything he's unilaterally done is an attempt to get Congress to do their !@#$ing job. Ah, like, how he wants to control what the press says about him. That’s pretty concerning. Also, I can’t decide if I truly want an efficient government. See, I don’t think Congress is truly broke. I think that republics are just by their nature inefficient. Buyer beware on an efficient government; you may not like it. Edited August 31, 2018 by The_Dude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted August 31, 2018 Author Share Posted August 31, 2018 13 hours ago, The_Dude said: I truly believe that if our republic falls it won’t be to another nation, or a rouge general — it will be to an Elon Musk type. I’m a republican. I’m outraged. There are conservatives who do not like Trump. I support probably over 60% of his policies if not more, but his authoritarian desires motivate me to vote him outa office. He wants every search to result in hits that just lavish praise on him, just like the communist governments would have. Half these posters are calling on the government to break up Google because trump is having another temper tantrum. The cultists love Trump so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 .......................... . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted August 31, 2018 Author Share Posted August 31, 2018 8 minutes ago, B-Man said: .......................... . Great source! That's all you got? Come on, how about backing up Trump's latest lie that NBC doctored his interview where he said he fired Comey to stop the investigation against himself? You must have a HotAir article that supports that lie, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 23 hours ago, joesixpack said: Don't necessarily want them regulated, but I wouldn't mind seeing them broken up. And by them I mean all the social media and internet conglomerates. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 1 minute ago, Chef Jim said: Why? Because I think these companies (especially google) have approached monopoly status, and there's good precedent and reason for breaking up monopolies. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, joesixpack said: Because I think these companies (especially google) have approached monopoly status, and there's good precedent and reason for breaking up monopolies. The challenge with monopolies is they control a market and therefore can control the prices for their products and services. Last I checked unless you’re using them to advertise social media are free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 1 minute ago, Chef Jim said: The challenge with monopolies is they control a market and therefore can control the prices for their products and services. Last I checked unless you’re using them to advertise social media are free. So, you think Google doesn't use its dominant position to stifle competition? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, joesixpack said: So, you think Google doesn't use its dominant position to stifle competition? No they use the creation of a better mousetrap to stifle competition. You want to beat Google? Do what they do but do it better. Google isn’t perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Just now, Chef Jim said: No they use the creation of a better mousetrap to stifle competition. You want to beat Google? Do what they do but do it better. Google isn’t perfect. Right. I'm of the thought that they use their countless billions to either buy out competition or just squash them altogether. But that's just me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 2 hours ago, The_Dude said: Ah, like, how he wants to control what the press says about him. That’s pretty concerning. Also, I can’t decide if I truly want an efficient government. See, I don’t think Congress is truly broke. I think that republics are just by their nature inefficient. Buyer beware on an efficient government; you may not like it. Controlling the media narrative has been a goal of every president ever. How is it authoritarian? As for the latter statement, I agree that Congress isn't broken. It's working within the bounds of the Constitution... inefficient and lazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, Koko78 said: Controlling the media narrative has been a goal of every president ever. How is it authoritarian? As for the latter statement, I agree that Congress isn't broken. It's working within the bounds of the Constitution... inefficient and lazy. Whoa, whoa, whoa, fella — if Obama waged the war on the media that Trump is this country would have seen armed revolts. C’mon, man. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, The_Dude said: Whoa, whoa, whoa, fella — if Obama waged the war on the media that Trump is this country would have seen armed revolts. C’mon, man. Nah, not really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, joesixpack said: Nah, not really. I think so. Also, I’ve NEVER seen a POTUS declare war on the media the way Trump has. It is not “same old, same old.” It is completely new, and unprecedented in my life: Reagan, Bush Sr., Clinton, W., Obama, Trump. Completely new and completely unbecoming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Just now, The_Dude said: Completely new and completely unbecoming. Riiiight. Did you see the last piece I linked? This media has declared WAR on Trump since day one, and they published slanderous, libelous, and outright FABRICATED stories since day one without repercussion. Well, they chose to sow the wind. They need to reap the whirlwind. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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