bills11 Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 I honestly havent seen anything from other than being pushed back..he was pushed around by the bengals today 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Run defense has looked weak. Both lines - OL & DL - have. I almost had forgotten about that magical signing. With the amount of money he got it'd better show come game #1. He better take on as many blockers as he takes space on the salary cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 17 minutes ago, bills11 said: I honestly havent seen anything from other than being pushed back..he was pushed around by the bengals today I’m tired of beating this dead horse. I’ve been on the record many times against this signing. No so much on the player himself because he fit a need and everyone knew he was signing here anyway, but because of the ridiculous amount of money he received. Even during his best seasons in Carolina he was not a 10 mil a year player. He’s one dimensional player and he doesn’t even do that well anymore. I too hope he turns the switch in the opener but I just don’t see it. Just another DT that got paid and now is gonna go thru the motions. His contract will be an albatross in the coming years........ And don’t get me started on Trent Murphy! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Lotulelei graded as one of the worst DTs in the NFL last year by PFF. He's looked awful so far. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Familiarity 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeSomeProcess Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Rush defense looked great today what am I missing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpsredemption Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 As I've said this isn't exactly the most analytical staff around. They bring in who they know...regardless of performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 1 minute ago, GimmeSomeProcess said: Rush defense looked great today what am I missing They didn’t need to run the ball... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 1 minute ago, GimmeSomeProcess said: Rush defense looked great today what am I missing It was mediocre at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 They were averaging 1 yard per carry when they were up 20-0. I didn't like Star to begin with and I hated the contract we gave him, but the run defense was absolutely fine when it mattered today. Vontae Davis was a much larger issue. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 11 minutes ago, GimmeSomeProcess said: Rush defense looked great today what am I missing It did look good. Not sure how Star played though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 We needed interior d-line help. Next question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, DCOrange said: They were averaging 1 yard per carry when they were up 20-0. I didn't like Star to begin with and I hated the contract we gave him, but the run defense was absolutely fine when it mattered today. Vontae Davis was a much larger issue. White and Poyer were trash too, pass defense was plain awful . But the D looked very vanilla and Davis got burned by the fastest guy in the league, I wouldn't anticipate a repeat performance in regular season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Just now, JerseyBills said: White and Poyer were trash too, pass defense was plain awful . But the D looked very vanilla and Davis got burned by the fastest guy in the league, I wouldn't anticipate a repeat performance in regular season. White was mostly in position, balls just out of his reach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Go back and take a look at how many rush yards the starting Bengals RB's had.... They killed us because we could not generate a pass rush and their WR's were running wide open.....that is not Star's fault Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Just now, Big C said: White was mostly in position, balls just out of his reach. He looked a step late to me. The TD was a phenomenal throw but I didn't see White in position . Same with the big gain he gave up to start 2nd half, just a step late. But it's pre season and part of me is happy the first stringers got whooped, they have 2 weeks to correct the errors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 4 minutes ago, Big C said: White was mostly in position, balls just out of his reach. White had very bad game today. Hopefully it was a glitch and not a sign of things to come Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 4 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Go back and take a look at how many rush yards the starting Bengals RB's had.... They killed us because we could not generate a pass rush and their WR's were running wide open.....that is not Star's fault Of course it is. You dont pay a DT that cannot get off the LOS 10M per year. With no push in the middle Dalton or any QB will have all day to throw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 58 minutes ago, bills11 said: I honestly havent seen anything from other than being pushed back..he was pushed around by the bengals today I'm 100% positive they signed him because they knew he sucks, but did it to aggravate you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Just now, MAJBobby said: Of course it is. You dont pay a DT that cannot get off the LOS 10M per year. With no push in the middle Dalton or any QB will have all day to throw. I guess my point is I agree with you in what Star is....only that if your going to have a player like that starting (the guy that makes it difficult to run on) then you have to generate your pass rush in other ways.....He gives us what Marcel have us for a lot less Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Bangarang said: We needed interior d-line help. Next question? Just because the Bills need interior d like help, it doesn’t give an excuse to give a huge contract to a mediocre player. Edited August 27, 2018 by billsfan11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills11 Posted August 27, 2018 Author Share Posted August 27, 2018 15 minutes ago, DCOrange said: They were averaging 1 yard per carry when they were up 20-0. I didn't like Star to begin with and I hated the contract we gave him, but the run defense was absolutely fine when it mattered today. Vontae Davis was a much larger issue. yeah..the guy is being paid 10 million a year..im expecting a bigger impact for that kinda contract Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 1 minute ago, billsfan11 said: Just because the Bills need interior d like help, it doesn’t give an excuse to give an awful contract to a player. In saying that it’s way too early to say it’s awful, but I was never a fan of the signing personally Who would you have signed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 5 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: I guess my point is I agree with you in what Star is....only that if your going to have a player like that starting (the guy that makes it difficult to run on) then you have to generate your pass rush in other ways.....He gives us what Marcel have us for a lot less Marcel was lazy. But when he wanted could get up the field and push the pocket. This is why I say Aaron Darnold (i know Rams are not trading him) would impact Bills more than Mack. With Star Frozen on the LOS every QB and just easily negate any DE pressure by steping up 6 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Who would you have signed? Poe or Benie Logan would give you what star does at half the price Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Just now, John from Riverside said: Who would you have signed? I’m not the GM of the team so I can’t really say and recall all the scenarios they could have done. But what say I’ll is this: You don’t give big contracts to mediocre players just to fill needs. That’s not a way to build a successful team. Take a flyer on a guy, draft one, address the position next year. I can assure you there were/are better options than giving star 10 mil a year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: Marcel was lazy. But when he wanted could get up the field and push the pocket. This is why I say Aaron Darnold (i know Rams are not trading him) would impact Bills more than Mack. With Star Frozen on the LOS every QB and just easily negate any DE pressure by steping up That is kinda the point.....we cant just say a player would make us better when they are not even available to us and then complain on the way the bills handled it.....I think the DT we drafted this year will be strong for us this year. The bills can only do what they can do.....Marcel was not motivatable (Sp) and he hasnt looked good in pre season in the jags games I have seen.......we will probably have to draft another player to go along with Horrible Harry here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Just now, John from Riverside said: That is kinda the point.....we cant just say a player would make us better when they are not even available to us and then complain on the way the bills handled it.....I think the DT we drafted this year will be strong for us this year. The bills can only do what they can do.....Marcel was not motivatable (Sp) and he hasnt looked good in pre season in the jags games I have seen.......we will probably have to draft another player to go along with Horrible Harry here. Ok but Poe and Logan would do what Star does. At half the PRICE and leaving some cap space to MAYBE address OL???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 9 minutes ago, bills11 said: yeah..the guy is being paid 10 million a year..im expecting a bigger impact for that kinda contract If the Bills only allow 1 yard per carry like they did while he was on the field today, he's worth the money. He did what he was supposed to do today; pretty much nobody else did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 1 minute ago, billsfan11 said: I’m not the GM of the team so I can’t really say and recall all the scenarios they could have done. But what say I’ll is this: You don’t give big contracts to mediocre players just to fill needs. That’s not a way to build a successful team. Take a flyer on a guy, draft one, address the position next year. I can assure you there were/are better options than giving star 10 mil a year Why is it that every time a poster is called out for their strong opinion and asked to give their opinion on a alternate way it could have been done they immediately go those this. Basically you are saying "I want it fixed" "I dont agree with you on the way you are fixing it" "I dont know how to fix it but fix it" Just now, MAJBobby said: Ok but Poe and Logan would do what Star does. At half the PRICE and leaving some cap space to MAYBE address OL???? I personally like Logan....I am hearing Poe is kinda soft which gives me visions of Washington..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 21 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Go back and take a look at how many rush yards the starting Bengals RB's had.... They killed us because we could not generate a pass rush and their WR's were running wide open.....that is not Star's fault With all the crap we watched from the Bills, we don't need to make up another one. Run D was fine. No pass rush and poor coverage is concern enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Why is it that every time a poster is called out for their strong opinion and asked to give their opinion on a alternate way it could have been done they immediately go those this. Basically you are saying "I want it fixed" "I dont agree with you on the way you are fixing it" "I dont know how to fix it but fix it" I personally like Logan....I am hearing Poe is kinda soft which gives me visions of Washington..... Point is could have had Logan/Poe and a Spencer Long at Center (not talking OG because Crazy Richie was on team still) instead have Star and Bodine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Just now, John from Riverside said: Why is it that every time a poster is called out for their strong opinion and asked to give their opinion on a alternate way it could have been done they immediately go those this. Basically you are saying "I want it fixed" "I dont agree with you on the way you are fixing it" "I dont know how to fix it but fix it" Because I don’t make millions of dollars making these decisions... I simply am a fan and observe the players on the Bills. I have no idea what the Bills could have done differently as I don’t study free agents, contracts, college football etc...But what I do know is Star looks bad and he’s making way too much money. Do you not agree with that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 7 minutes ago, billsfan11 said: I can assure you there were/are better options than giving star 10 mil a year Like who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Just now, billsfan11 said: Because I don’t make millions of dollars making these decisions... I simply am a fan and observe the players on the Bills. I have no idea what the Bills could have done differently as I don’t study free agents, contracts, college football etc...But what I do know is Star looks bad and he’s making way too much money. Do you not agree with that? The discussion would be more fruitfull if it was not just a B word session on the way they went about it? Not everyone agrees with Major Bobby.....but in credit to him he does come up with alternate ways they could have gone about it....its much better then just a B word session Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Bangarang said: Like who? If you really would like to know my answer please see my previous messages Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Just now, billsfan11 said: If you really would like to know my answer please see my previous messages Dont do that crap...nobody wants to go back and search through you posts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Like who? For what Star Brings. Bennie Logan at half thr price. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Just now, John from Riverside said: The discussion would be more fruitfull if it was not just a B word session on the way they went about it? Not everyone agrees with Major Bobby.....but in credit to him he does come up with alternate ways they could have gone about it....its much better then just a B word session But I don’t really understand where you are coming from... So you’re saying it’s justified for a mediocre team to overpay for a mediocre player just because they have a need? Is that actually what you’re saying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Just now, MAJBobby said: For what Star Brings. Bennie Logan at half thr price. For the record I agree with you on this The problem happens when you are trying to get the player and dont have the relationship with the agent like another team does or whatever.....who knows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 1 minute ago, John from Riverside said: Dont do that crap...nobody wants to go back and search through you posts Lol relax. I was actually being polite as I said please if he was actually interested. I really don’t expect him too, I just didn’t want to type out another long message. So maybe just relax a little eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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