Chandler#81 Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 4 hours ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said: Funny how many people were on here staunchly saying Mack won't get traded. Well, so many here are ‘in the know’. Just ask them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 4 hours ago, SWATeam said: It would be insane. I'm not getting my hopes up though. It does look like he will be traded though Yes you are. We ALL ARE!! F5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 37 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: Well, so many here are ‘in the know’. Just ask them. . High end business meetings. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 Wonder what we offered? With so much demand I think the asking price would be too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 Of course Beane reached out, he has said multiple times he does this to get an idea of what a team wants for said player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 I need a drink.?? Didn't there used to be an Allen/Mack Pharmacy chain in WNY? It could be the stadiums’ new nick-name! ok, I need a drug.?? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ALF Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 Contract wise Mack is worth it and he is very good character and likes Buffalo. How much will the bidding against other teams push up the trade cost is the problem to me. I want to see how the OL looks in preseason 3 . Right now I see a high price FA, OL man as a higher priority. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 Edmunds, Mack, Tre, Kyle, Hyde, Poyer, Harry, Star, and eventually Murphy... ... ... ...I need to sit down for a bit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 For God's sake, don't do it! Too much $ and he won't make a difference in the wins/losses column! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 7 hours ago, ColoradoBills said: I've said Hughes and a 1st. Hughes nets you $6.35 million in cap savings. Lawson nets you $1.38. My question to all would be IF the trade goes down AND Hughes is still on the team, where does Hughes go? Both play the right DE position. I don't know where he plays but on the highlight films, all his sacks come from him being on the left side. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thurst44 Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 3 hours ago, BigDingus said: We seem to have a spotty record as of late finding great LB's & DE's in the draft as of late. I mean we used quite a few picks over the years, including some fairly high ones on guys like Lawson, Posluszny, Maybin, Edmunds, Tarpley, Ragland, Alonzo, Milano, Washington, Brown, Bradham, Carrington, Moats, Kelsay, etc. We never seem to truly strike greatness in the draft, but have done much better in FA or trades. Takeo Spikes, Mario Williams, London Fletcher, Lorenzo Alexander, Jerry Hughes, and more have all been great, standout contributors for our team. Mack could be the next, and possibly greatest, in a long line of successful Bills trades/acquisitions. Wait, are you really calling Tremaine Edmunds a failed pick after two pre-season games (which weren't even as bad as people here are suggesting)?! Matt Milano is a 5th rounder who after a season is looking very good. A.J. Tarpley was an undrafted free agent. Shaq Lawson and Adolphus Washington have a bit more logic to them, but the book has hardly been completely closed on them yet (Lawson has played bits of two seasons). I'm very much pro trading for Mack and the thought that trading a 1st even if you think it's a top ten (which i doubt) is not worth it is insane as with a top ten pick you hope that guy will become close to as good as a Khalil Mack in a few years. Mack could make this one of the top Ds in the league, if not the top. However, by stretching for too many names, you dilute your point (and the piling on 20-year-old Edmunds before he has played one meaningful game is getting tiresome and really needs to stop). 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 I doubt that the Raiders trade Mack within the conference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 I would gladly give up a first round pick for him. probably going to take next years first and third as well as 2020’s second or a player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, billsfan89 said: Mack is a pass rusher probably one of the few positions just under QB in terms of value in the NFL. The Rams just gave up the 23rd overall pick plus a late round pick for Brandin Cooks who they gave a fairly big contract to. Teams do make these kinds of trades for players they feel will put them over the top or if they can get a dominant player for the next 5 years at the cost of 1 premium draft pick. So I think that you will find at least 1-3 trade offers building a package around a 1st round pick. Like I said if I were the Bills I would give up a 2019 1st plus KC's 4th in 2019 and a 4th in 2020 plus Hughes if the Raiders wanted him (Although I would lower the 2020 4th to a 6th for Hughes to be in the deal.) I think that Mack would have a generational impact for the next 4 seasons and at the cost of a 1st round pick and 2 mid rounders I think it would be worth it. The Cap isn't that big of an issue as the Bills have plenty of 2019 and 2020 space to commit. The Bills don't have any major resignings coming up in 2019 or 2020 outside of maybe Shaq. But I see the trepidation as that's still a significant commitment to make to a pass rusher who might only have 2-3 great years left. The Cooks trade actually supports my argument. 1. Edge rusher is not “just below QB” in positional value. The drop off is huge. If qb is 10, edge is 3 or 4, even if edge is the second most valuable, which it’s not. (That would be WR.) 2. Cooks has averaged over 1100 yds receiving the last 3 seasons. 3. Cooks turns 25 next month. Mack turns 28 in February. That matters. 4. Cooks signed a five-year extension with only $20 million guaranteed. Mack will be looking for around $60 million guaranteed, if not more. 5. You are wrong about what the Rams gave up for Cooks. They gave up less than 23 overall. They got Cooks and NE’s 4th round pick for 23 overall and their 6th rounder. And at the time they made the trade, the Rams knew they were only giving up 23 overall. The Bills would be giving up what might well be a top 10 overall pick in a draft packed with impact d-linemen and edge rushers. Those guys will be 21-years old, and on cheap contracts through 2022. 6. I think you are overestimating the number of teams seriously interested in trading for Mack. I think it’s probably only a couple. Conclusion: The Raiders will be lucky to get someone’s 2019 first round pick for Mack, and the Bills might actually be overpaying by giving them just next year’s first. I think Beane might get it done for a second and a player like Shaq. One other conclusion: Jon Gruden is an idiot, Edited August 24, 2018 by mannc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8-8 Forever? Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 he'll go to a big market(NY, etc. ) or to a SB team (Packers, etc) . Bills have no shot. Teams like Bills and Raiders feed the big teams , not the other way around.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 Mack would be an excellent addition. I’d give our 1st round next year and Lawson. We’d kill it, and for those who think we’re not going to be. Better are nuts. This guy is one of the best in the league. He’d also make Hughes look better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpsredemption Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 Give em Edmunds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 7 hours ago, lookylookyherecomescookie said: Beane and McDermott have stressed that they want team first guys. High character locker room leaders that absolutely love the game. I can't see where a guy not reporting and holding out while under contract fits that profile. This is not a comment on whether he should be holding out, what his value is, if he is underpaid, etc., just doesn't seem to be a McBeane kind of guy. It does make a difference why though. If the player was treated with respect by the front office the holdout wouldn’t be happening. I don’t see Beane and McDermott going 9 months without speaking to their superstar. No one is blaming Mack in this situation. This is all on Gruden and the Raiders. 7 hours ago, lookylookyherecomescookie said: Maybe, or maybe until he's unhappy about something. I don't know the man, don't know how he approaches things. I only know what his reported actions are, and what McBeane sez they look for in a player. Doesn't seem to be a match He’s unhappy that the comparable players around the league have $70M guaranteed and they want him to play out his current deal. It’s not a mystery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 24, 2018 Author Share Posted August 24, 2018 (edited) Edited August 24, 2018 by YoloinOhio 5 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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