A couple questions on QB week 1 starter

[MTBill]

Just curious to see how the wind is blowing this week.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

JA/JA

 

Start him out of the gate.

 

[Mickey]

I abstain.

[Rc2catch]

I picked McCarron should start, want peterman to. 

I don’t want to see Allen this year unless he just is so good the coaches can’t keep him on the bench. 

I am on team peterman only for the simple fact I think he can run this offense the best and most efficient, also think he can make the O-line look great with those short routes and screens etc etc. 

With that said I expect McCarron given his experience in the film room being in Cincinnati all those years to be the week 1 starter, if he can’t win the job there’s something wrong with him 

[White Linen]

I want who they pick to start.  

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

I want Allen to earn the nod. It’s not like he has to beat joe Montana..   he doesn’t even have to beat Sam Bradford or Tyrod. 

 

Hes got to beat a career back up, and a guy who probably just hopes to have a chance to be a career back up... 

[Augie]

Where is option 4? I vote “too soon to say” with 3 of 4 preseason games left to play. 

 

Of course, I hope Allen immediately proves he’s a 15 year Pro Bowler. I also pray they don’t put him in a minute before he’s ready. 

[billsredneck1]

34 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

I picked McCarron should start, want peterman to. 

I don’t want to see Allen this year unless he just is so good the coaches can’t keep him on the bench. 

I am on team peterman only for the simple fact I think he can run this offense the best and most efficient, also think he can make the O-line look great with those short routes and screens etc etc. 

With that said I expect McCarron given his experience in the film room being in Cincinnati all those years to be the week 1 starter, if he can’t win the job there’s something wrong with him 

i couldn't agree more. i saw a breakdown of each of nate's plays against carolina. i forget where i saw it. it may have been posted on sbnation. i think pff gave him a perfect rating.

 

anyway, point being, the main point was that every ball was out IN UNDER 2 SECONDS. 9/10 could have been 10/10... that is what we need to succeed.

Edited August 16, 2018 by billsredneck1

[BillsFan130]

Whoever deserves it should start. I hope that person is Josh Allen

[NewEra]

I think Peterman or Mccarron should start but I really want to see the kid play.  He brings another level of excitement

[artmalibu]

we dont even know who is starting the 2nd preseason game yet, and its tomorrow...

 

[Kirby Jackson]

2 hours ago, Rc2catch said:

I picked McCarron should start, want peterman to. 

I don’t want to see Allen this year unless he just is so good the coaches can’t keep him on the bench. 

I am on team peterman only for the simple fact I think he can run this offense the best and most efficient, also think he can make the O-line look great with those short routes and screens etc etc. 

With that said I expect McCarron given his experience in the film room being in Cincinnati all those years to be the week 1 starter, if he can’t win the job there’s something wrong with him 

 

1 hour ago, billsredneck1 said:

i couldn't agree more. i saw a breakdown of each of nate's plays against carolina. i forget where i saw it. it may have been posted on sbnation. i think pff gave him a perfect rating.

 

anyway, point being, the main point was that every ball was out IN UNDER 2 SECONDS. 9/10 could have been 10/10... that is what we need to succeed.

Don’t you guys expect an actual NFL defense in an actual NFL game to play press man all over the field against Nate? They will take away all quick passes (especially slants). I mean, I know basically nothing and know exactly how to defend him. If you disrupt the timing of the timing routes I don’t know how he can succeed? It isn’t complicated at all. If I am a DC he’s going to have to consistently make plays like the TD throw to Benjamin. The receivers are going to have to beat the press and Peterman is going to have to make plays over the CBs. NO ONE that has watched him is going to allow his receivers a free release. The 3 stop drop, balls out isn’t going to be a viable option.

Edited August 16, 2018 by Kirby Jackson

[Rc2catch]

7 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

 

Don’t you guys expect an actual NFL defense in an actual NFL game to play press man all over the field against Nate. They will take away all quick passes (especially slants). I mean, I know basically nothing and know exactly how to defend him. If you disrupt the timing of the timing routes I don’t know how he can succeed? It isn’t complicated at all. If I am a DC he’s going to have to consistently make plays like the TD throw to Benjamin. The receivers are going to have to beat the press and Peterman is going to have to make plays over the CBs. NO ONE that has watched him is going to allow his receivers a free release. The 3 stop drop, balls out isn’t going to be a viable option.

 

I do agree with what you’re saying. What we seen is not a viable long term thing. Question is does the offensive coordinator adjust for these things, can they switch it up? Is he only a one trick pony? 

My support of peterman isn’t based off his throws in the one preseason game. I liked his command of the huddle and line of scrimmage, his efficiency of the play clock, and grasp of the playbook he ran for that game. They got to the line super fast, made some adjustments. He knew the routes and where he was going with the ball. But yeah that was a simple game plan and left some questions for sure. Can he make the second read if that primary route is taken away? 

Can our receivers beat press and get open? Can he make a mid to deep range throw routinely and accurately? I hope my post didn’t sound like a kool-aid peterman poster lol I just like the qualities he had in that game. I’d like to see more. I guess to simplify it for the one preseason taste we got I felt peterman had the best grasp of our playbook and what we’re trying to do. Rather it’s the 1’s 2’s or 3’s he just seems like he’s got the offense down. I didn’t see that from the other 2 guys.

[Kirby Jackson]

4 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

 

I do agree with what you’re saying. What we seen is not a viable long term thing. Question is does the offensive coordinator adjust for these things, can they switch it up? Is he only a one trick pony? 

My support of peterman isn’t based off his throws in the one preseason game. I liked his command of the huddle and line of scrimmage, his efficiency of the play clock, and grasp of the playbook he ran for that game. They got to the line super fast, made some adjustments. He knew the routes and where he was going with the ball. But yeah that was a simple game plan and left some questions for sure. Can he make the second read if that primary route is taken away? 

Can our receivers beat press and get open? Can he make a mid to deep range throw routinely and accurately? I hope my post didn’t sound like a kool-aid peterman poster lol I just like the qualities he had in that game. I’d like to see more. I guess to simplify it for the one preseason taste we got I felt peterman had the best grasp of our playbook and what we’re trying to do. Rather it’s the 1’s 2’s or 3’s he just seems like he’s got the offense down. I didn’t see that from the other 2 guys.

Those are all fair questions. The irony is that’s basically why Dennison got fired. He pushed for Peterman because he thought that he was the best guy to execute his offense. It just revealed how easy that offense is to defend. 

 

Peterman made that throw to Benjamin last week for the TD. If he can consistently do he will keep the DBs honest. That was absolutely progress. I was simply pointing out that he’s much, much easier to defend than Allen (and to a lesser extent Peterman). Peterman may throw those slants more consistently but the other guys (especially Allen) can throw more routes. They make the Bills offense more diverse IMO. 

[billsredneck1]

31 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

 

Don’t you guys expect an actual NFL defense in an actual NFL game to play press man all over the field against Nate? They will take away all quick passes (especially slants). I mean, I know basically nothing and know exactly how to defend him. If you disrupt the timing of the timing routes I don’t know how he can succeed? It isn’t complicated at all. If I am a DC he’s going to have to consistently make plays like the TD throw to Benjamin. The receivers are going to have to beat the press and Peterman is going to have to make plays over the CBs. NO ONE that has watched him is going to allow his receivers a free release. The 3 stop drop, balls out isn’t going to be a viable option.

so.....what kind of defense would you expect against a.j. or j.a.?   soft zone?  cover 2?  looking forward to hearing how the defense will be any different with either of the other 2 qbs in. .......enlighten me

[Kirby Jackson]

7 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said:

so.....what kind of defense would you expect against a.j. or j.a.?   soft zone?  cover 2?  looking forward to hearing how the defense will be any different with either of the other 2 qbs in. .......enlighten me

I expect a variety of defenses against them. They are much more likely to beat press man. They are better down the field. I don’t think that either of them has a kryptonite. I mean are you disagreeing that Peterman will struggle if defended like that? 

Edited August 17, 2018 by Kirby Jackson

[billsredneck1]

1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I expect a variety of defenses against them. They are much more likely to beat press man. They are better down the field. I don’t think that either of them has a kryptonite. I mean are you disagreeing that Peterman will struggle if defended like that? 

no i'm not, but if you play press and send the heat against a.j., he's likely to take a lot of sacks.  if you do the same against josh, you may get some erratic throws and you can also contain him from running. if you stack the box against shady....which i fully expect teams to do starting off, ask yourself this question....which qb gets the ball out fastest to burn those kinds of defense? 

 

 

the answer is nate....who btw made every throw in under 2 seconds.  you think there will be time for ajm to "climb the pocket"?.....or josh to evade and scramble ala tyrod?

 

i originally thought ajm was the best bet against baltimore having faced them.  however getting the ball out in under 2 seconds i think is the best way to get a couple of upsets in the first couple of games. then we can ride shady.  that quick strike offense is why i'm siding with nate. you can't blitz a guy who is accurate and gets the ball out that quick.

 

 sincerely ...tom brady

[Kirby Jackson]

9 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said:

no i'm not, but if you play press and send the heat against a.j., he's likely to take a lot of sacks.  if you do the same against josh, you may get some erratic throws and you can also contain him from running. if you stack the box against shady....which i fully expect teams to do starting off, ask yourself this question....which qb gets the ball out fastest to burn those kinds of defense? 

 

 

the answer is nate....who btw made every throw in under 2 seconds.  you think there will be time for ajm to "climb the pocket"?.....or josh to evade and scramble ala tyrod?

 

i originally thought ajm was the best bet against baltimore having faced them.  however getting the ball out in under 2 seconds i think is the best way to get a couple of upsets in the first couple of games. then we can ride shady.  that quick strike offense is why i'm siding with nate. you can't blitz a guy who is accurate and gets the ball out that quick.

 

 sincerely ...tom brady

I think that’s all fair. The point I was making is that you can’t get rid of the ball in under 2 seconds if the guys aren’t open. That’s why teams will play that way against Peterman. They will take away all of the quick routes until he proves that he can make the other throws. He hasn’t done that yet. The throw to KB was a start. We will see I guess...

[transplantbillsfan]

It should be the best QB who gives us the best chance to win who can handle what's thrown at him and not fall into the same quicksand mentality Peterman seemed to fall into last year against the Chargers.

 

Personally, I just think that's the guy who's clearly the most talented guy on the roster right now.  I'll be fine with McCarron, but reports are he's just taking a crazy amount of sacks.  I don't know if that's more on him or on the OL, but I don't really get the sense that Allen would be rattled if he started and got some pressure.

 

The fact that Allen is the most talented QB on the roster by a mile is the reason I want him to start.  But the fact that he seems extremely mentally and emotionally tough is the reason I also think he should start.

Edited August 17, 2018 by transplantbillsfan

[billsredneck1]

Just now, Kirby Jackson said:

I think that’s all fair. The point I was making is that you can’t get rid of the ball in under 2 seconds if the guys aren’t open. That’s why teams will play that way against Peterman. They will take away all of the quick routes until he proves that he can make the other throws. He hasn’t done that yet. The throw to KB was a start. We will see I guess...

well thankfully daboll's here....to plan against opponents. gilmore is top notch right?....he sucks balls playing press. darby was much the same. not every defensive secondary has the ability to do that.  not to mention not many dbs are gonna be able to hold up kb, kerley or for that matter streater, coleman or foster. we are gonna be good and i mean like 100% improvement in the passing game.

 

i realize josh is the man at some point, but the point is to win games one at a time starting week one. i believe that the player counsel will have a huge say in who they think can get them a w week one and i bet they are more than confident in nathan. i have faith in ajm also, but i think defenses are gonna be super aggressive right off the bat and we don't have time for ajm to scan the field or rookie mistakes.

8 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

It should be the best QB who gives us the best chance to win who can handle what's thrown at him and not fall into the same quicksand mentality Peterman seemed to fall into last year against the Chargers.

 

Personally, I just think that's the guy who's clearly the most talented guy on the roster right now.  I'll be fine with McCarron, but reports are he's just taking a crazy amount of sacks.  I don't know if that's more on him or on the OL, but I don't really get the sense that Allen would be rattled if he started and got some pressure.

 

The fact that Allen is the most talented QB on the roster by a mile is the reason I want him to start.  But the fact that he seems extremely mentally and emotionally tough is the reason I also think he should start.

i said the same thing about losman.......and i wasn't alone

[Wagon Circler]

10 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

 

Don’t you guys expect an actual NFL defense in an actual NFL game to play press man all over the field against Nate? They will take away all quick passes (especially slants). I mean, I know basically nothing and know exactly how to defend him. If you disrupt the timing of the timing routes I don’t know how he can succeed? It isn’t complicated at all. If I am a DC he’s going to have to consistently make plays like the TD throw to Benjamin. The receivers are going to have to beat the press and Peterman is going to have to make plays over the CBs. NO ONE that has watched him is going to allow his receivers a free release. The 3 stop drop, balls out isn’t going to be a viable option.

Won't be so easy as you think with The Daboll running things.

Edited August 17, 2018 by Wagon Circler

[Kirby Jackson]

35 minutes ago, Wagon Circler said:

Won't be so easy as you think with The Daboll running things.

Why? He will obviously gameplan to beat that. The point being, they’ve already taken away what he does best. It’s not that difficult to gameplan against. It’s difficult to execute those types of plays. You can throw fades all day. They are just tough to complete.

10 hours ago, billsredneck1 said:

well thankfully daboll's here....to plan against opponents. gilmore is top notch right?....he sucks balls playing press. darby was much the same. not every defensive secondary has the ability to do that.  not to mention not many dbs are gonna be able to hold up kb, kerley or for that matter streater, coleman or foster. we are gonna be good and i mean like 100% improvement in the passing game.

 

i realize josh is the man at some point, but the point is to win games one at a time starting week one. i believe that the player counsel will have a huge say in who they think can get them a w week one and i bet they are more than confident in nathan. i have faith in ajm also, but i think defenses are gonna be super aggressive right off the bat and we don't have time for ajm to scan the field or rookie mistakes.

i said the same thing about losman.......and i wasn't alone

That’s fair. I’m not saying that it will be easy to execute for either side. The question that I raised is “if you take away the quick timing routes can Peterman be effective?”

 

Maybe you and Wagon Circler are right and Daboll can get guys free. He can use motion and different formations to do that. He has a much better chance to do it than Dennison. 

[GoodHands15]

This might be a bad question but, do you think teams are more prone to blitz when they see the likes of Allen, Donald, Mayfield, etc, in the preseason?

 

I almost feel more so with Allen. I wonder if even coaches might ask the other team to do so. I’m not talking exotic coverages, giving anything away, but just bringing the heat.

 

As enamored with JA as many of us are, I feel like there are many coaches who are just as entrigued. Can this lead to, whether subliminally or not, opposing DC’s maybe coming at JA with a little more heat in these games? Just to see first hand how the kid is coming along?

 

Just a though

[oldmanfan]

Should and will:  McCarron.  Gives them the best chance to win.

 

Although if Peterman continues the play he had last week I could see that, but in the end I think McCarron's longer time in the league wins out.

 

Allen isn't ready yet, but I think he's going to be rally good once he gets in there.

[TigerJ]

Just playing the odds, at this point I think McCarron gives the Bills the best chance to win.  It's not that I don't like Peterson or Allen.  McCarron has beenn steady and reliable when he has started regular season games in the past.  There is always a chance that if Baltimore brings the heat that first game of the season, Peterman will revert to Chargers Peterman, the king of interceptions.  I wouldn't expect that to happen, but I can't rule it out.  Allen is a rookie, and it is very normal to think he'll do some rookie things if he starts.  Rookie things don't generally lead to winning.  So, I answered McCarron should start.  I answered that I would want to see Peterman start.  I'd love to see him get an opportunity for redemption.  I'm not anti McCarron, but being a former Bengal, I don't have as much of an emotional stake in his success.  I don't feel strongly about Allen starting because I know it's going to happen eventually.  It doesn't need to happen out of the starting gate.

[BuffaloHokie13]

I need to see the next two PS games to be honest. But if I was asked right now I think McCarron can start the first 4, then bring in Allen. However, I would absolutely love if Allen steps up and takes this thing by the horns.

Edited August 17, 2018 by BuffaloHokie13

[MTBill]

I intend to run this again after the 4th preseason game...  Just to see how opinions changed.  I find it interesting that the consensus is AJM "should" start - but the consensus is also that they want Allen to start.

 

To me when you look at raw talent - it isn't even close...  I'd rank them Allen, Peterman, AJM based on what we've seen - and it isn't close.  When it comes to knowledge it is AJM, Peterman, Allen - and again that seems to be a wide range.  Once Allen has a bit more learning under his belt - he'll be the starter.  That could be mid to late this season.

[Alphadawg7]

AJM/JA

 

I think AJM will win the job week 1, but I don't really care if its him or NP, just think it will be AJM.  

 

I think we all WANT Allen to start...because if he DOES start, that would only mean one thing...he excelled past both AJM and NP and won the job showing he was ready.  No one is going to want Allen to start if he isn't ready, at least they shouldn't.  So your question just asked you do you want to start...well my want is tied to the assumption he proved he was ready because unless he does that he won't start.  I would love Allen to seize the job, but reality is we have 2 guys so far who have played well ahead of him and the staff is in no rush, so I still think it will be AJM that ultimately wins the job.  

[ColoradoBills]

8 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

AJM/JA

 

I think AJM will win the job week 1, but I don't really care if its him or NP, just think it will be AJM.  

 

I think we all WANT Allen to start...because if he DOES start, that would only mean one thing...he excelled past both AJM and NP and won the job showing he was ready.  No one is going to want Allen to start if he isn't ready, at least they shouldn't.  So your question just asked you do you want to start...well my want is tied to the assumption he proved he was ready because unless he does that he won't start.  I would love Allen to seize the job, but reality is we have 2 guys so far who have played well ahead of him and the staff is in no rush, so I still think it will be AJM that ultimately wins the job.  

 

Thanks Alpha............saves me time having to type that out.