Kirby Jackson Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 Just now, ShadyBillsFan said: No my comment was not directed at gunner (well at least in this thread). People said EJ would be out of the league too so........ I just brought up Gunner because i want to hear him rant EJ showed a lot more than Peterman. He wasn’t good and still isn’t but he had some moments. Those guys that don’t have success and we’re drafted late turn over all of the time. Those guys I listed were all QBs drafted late recently (3rd round for Grayson) that I don’t think are in the league. I didn’t double check but think that they are out. People may not want to hear it but Peterman could be in that group soon. I think that he makes the team or at least the PS this year. He will have a hard time being on a roster next year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 3 hours ago, Logic said: Here's the thing: It is possible to scheme up inferior offensive talent and get production out of them. Everyone knows the Bills offense lacks playmakers. With creative offensive playcalling, though, the likes of which Daboll is already demonstrating in camp, you can scheme guys open. Players like McCloud, Foster, Dupre, and Reilly are making plays in camp against a good defense because the playcalls are creative, the formations are put together with intent to create mismatches, and the playmakers we DO have (McCoy, Benjamin, Clay) are being moved around the formation. So anyone who says "Schemes don't matter, its all about execution!"...I disagree. I think schemes DEFINITELY matter. I think you're going to see the Bills offense improve from last year not based on upgraded talent, but based on creative playcalling and exploitation of mismatches. That's Daboll. Dont bring that “dupre is making plays in camp” stuff here... it’s waaaaay to early to pretend we have any idea if the scheme can get a guy like that to make plays on Sundays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 1 hour ago, Buffalo30 said: New England style offense with a carolina style defense...I could get used to that. This should also help the defense prepare for New England's offense, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted July 28, 2018 Author Share Posted July 28, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, dollars 2 donuts said: It will take forever for Madden to catch up the change in the O. ...and I am not trying to be sarcastic. As a fan it gets annoying. Agreed. For that reason, I just use other teams' playbooks. Honestly, using the New England playbook is probably the most "accurate" thing to do this year, if you want to match what the Bills are running in real life. If you pick Buffalo's playbook, you'll just be running last year's Dennison scheme. Yuck. 44 minutes ago, NoSaint said: Dont bring that “dupre is making plays in camp” stuff here... it’s waaaaay to early to pretend we have any idea if the scheme can get a guy like that to make plays on Sundays Gosh, you got me. Bringing offseason optimism to a football discussion forum. What on earth was I thinking?! Edited July 28, 2018 by Logic 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 8 minutes ago, Logic said: Agreed. For that reason, I just use other teams' playbooks. Honestly, using the New England playbook is probably the most "accurate" thing to do this year, if you want to match what the Bills are running in real life. If you pick Buffalo's playbook, you'll just be running last year's Dennison scheme. Yuck. Gosh, you got me. Bringing offseason optimism to a football discussion forum. What on earth was I thinking?! This is Buffalo fans. We could win the damn Super Bowl and 80% of the hot takes here would be that it was a fluke and we're tanking. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 4 hours ago, Buffalo Boy said: Let’s agree that it’s 2018 and Josh Allen is on his way to being better than both of them. You mean let's hope. I sure do for Beane's sake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 44 minutes ago, Logic said: Bringing offseason optimism to a football discussion forum. What on earth was I thinking?! Amen!!! We are three days into camp. Our Rookie QB is showing a little more than many of us expected. Hope, Optimism .........? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 Not quite sure Triple Option would qualify as Modern Offense. But I am enjoying all the pre snap movement. Not getting my hopes up yet until Games start. Why?? because i have seen this in years past. Then comes Sunday and back to 1960’s 3 yards in a cloud of Dust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 8 hours ago, Logic said: Seeing reports from camp so far of the Bills' offense featuring multiple RPOs, sprintouts, triple option looks, ample pre-snap motion, empty sets out of 21 personnel, formations that force mismatches... Could it be that for the first time in what feels like, I dunno...20 years or so...the Buffalo Bills could actually run a modern NFL offense?! I know, I know, it seems impossible. But I am absolutely LOVING what I'm hearing/seeing so far in terms of formations, concepts, and personnel. Very encouraging! I am so hopeful that when PS games start we won't be hearing our more knowledgeable posters report back "I think our running game will struggle this year" Maybe come back and say this or that OLman is going to struggle, but not the scheme and concepts of the offense. If only my hopes are fulfilled.... 8 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: After 3 seasons with a running QB it will seem like a huge improvement. The running QB wasn't and isn't the issue. The design of the run scheme and the offense in general with little/no presnap motion, little/no misdirection, no attempts to provoke mismatches. Those were the issues. 7 hours ago, Boca BIlls said: I don't know every year you get this kind of "never seen an OC do that" talk and every year it ends up the same come game day. We won't know until they play games. I kind of disagree. I don't recall these kind of reports from different training camps. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 23 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: The running QB wasn't and isn't the issue. The design of the run scheme and the offense in general with little/no presnap motion, little/no misdirection, no attempts to provoke mismatches. Those were the issues. But why were they issues? Wrex Ryan thought he’d be cute and supplement the run game with his QB. The gimmick worked Year one and then continued to stagnate as the weeks progressed. (Not to mention 3 QC’s) But we digress. Lets hope Dabols scheme works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 8 hours ago, Cornette's Commentary said: Thanks, Schopp. I get your point.... but you signed this Schopp and didnt call him Schopp. Just clarifying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 (edited) Cover1 podcast is really good look into the offense in camp and josh Allen - skip to about 8 minutes in Edited July 29, 2018 by YoloinOhio 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 10 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: Is it @GunnerBill? There is a chance that Nate is out of the league this year. I don’t think that it is likely but there is a chance. There’s a real chance that he is out after this year. Guys like him come and go in this league all of the time. Guys like Zac Dysert, Garrett Grayson, Jake Rudock, Keith Wenning, Taj Gibson, Garrett Gilbert, etc... Late round QBs don’t last long. If they don’t show signs teams get another guy in that can. If Peterman is the 3rd QB this year he won’t be on the roster in 2019. There’s won’t be a line of teams looking to add him either. Those teams will take their own guy late in the draft. That’s the way it works. My thoughts are well known. Not an NFL talent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 12 hours ago, Luka said: This is Buffalo fans. We could win the damn Super Bowl and 80% of the hot takes here would be that it was a fluke and we're tanking. This is buffalo fans - we sprint through brick walls pretending guys are good because they looked good in a walk through and ignore the entirety of their resume. It’s waaaaay to early to be pointing at street free agents being viable players suddenly because of the scheme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 What a welcome change this would be from the doldrums of Dennison. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 18 hours ago, ScottLaw said: Nice. One post in and you turn this into a Tyrod thread. His routine pot shots at the old qb, while everyone else is trying to move on, are extremely predictable and honestly quite pathetic at this point. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Process Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 20 hours ago, Boca BIlls said: Nate isn't a QB. His best performances in college were mostly from innovative play calling.....how's that for optimism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 12 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Cover1 podcast is really good look into the offense in camp and josh Allen - skip to about 8 minutes in Such a good podcast 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 22 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said: His routine pot shots at the old qb, while everyone else is trying to move on, are extremely predictable and honestly quite pathetic at this point. Routine? Ive hardly posted this past moth. What am am I supposed to compare it to? The Jim Kelly years? The EJ years? Drew Bledsoe? But hey thanks for the snarky reply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Routine? Ive hardly posted this past moth. What am am I supposed to compare it to? The Jim Kelly years? The EJ years? Drew Bledsoe? But hey thanks for the snarky reply. I understand you have hardly posted but there has been one theme with you since the old qb got traded. That hasn’t changed the routine out of nowhere shots at the former qb. You consistently bring him up out of left field when it’s totally not needed in the convo and take some shot at him. I’ve seen 2 different people call you on it in the last 2 or 3 weeks. And now I’m the 3rd. Must be we are all imagining things. -Random shots at former qb - making sure to remind everyone not too get excited about allen. -and some odd crusade for peterman. Thats your posts on a nut shell. It’s just sticks out becuz it’s so routine. The train is never late. Edited July 29, 2018 by Stank_Nasty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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