njbuff Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 9 hours ago, Nanker said: These are the new faces of Neo-conservatives: They must be driven out of the Dam Party. We need new flesh! [/#RESIST] We want level-headed new leaders with principles like these! I bet you Trump is really shaking in his boots with this cast of dumb Democrats. Trump's left pinkie has a higher IQ than the whole collection of those mental midgets combined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outsidethebox Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 On 7/27/2018 at 6:19 PM, 3rdnlng said: Is this photo real? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 12 minutes ago, westside said: Is this photo real? As far as I can tell. Joe Biden touched... ...and Democrats don't care. Bush gives Angela Merkel a shoulder rub, and the left freaks out. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 I love this thread...why are you conservatives so worried about AOC? As Pelosi attempted to explain “this is an isolated phenomena.” Lots of time being spent on an idealogy that can “never come to pass” as Hillary said about Medicare For All. Its always nice to know that establishment Democrats & Republicans can come together to sell us another 40 years of Neoliberalism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 No one is worried about her. People are laughing at her and that she's being pushed as the new face of the party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 1 hour ago, Dr.Sack said: I love this thread...why are you conservatives so worried about AOC? As Pelosi attempted to explain “this is an isolated phenomena.” Lots of time being spent on an idealogy that can “never come to pass” as Hillary said about Medicare For All. Its always nice to know that establishment Democrats & Republicans can come together to sell us another 40 years of Neoliberalism. She is explicitly, demonstrably dumber than Trump. But now...Democrats are okay with stupid. Go figure. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 THE SUPREMACY OF STUPIDITY We are suffocating in the stupidity of politicians such as up and coming Democrat Rep.-to-be Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, a frank socialist. We are suffocating in the stupidity of the Democratic Party’s media adjunct such as MSNBC’s Chris Hayes. Hayes fancies himself a brilliant wit and I would concede that he is half-right. If breathing weren’t an autonomic function, they both might be too stupid to breathe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted July 29, 2018 Author Share Posted July 29, 2018 (edited) 15 hours ago, Dr.Sack said: I love this thread...why are you conservatives so worried about AOC? As Pelosi attempted to explain “this is an isolated phenomena.” Lots of time being spent on an idealogy that can “never come to pass” as Hillary said about Medicare For All. Its always nice to know that establishment Democrats & Republicans can come together to sell us another 40 years of Neoliberalism. Do you not keep up with the news? Keith Ellison, Tom Perez DNC Chair proclaimed her the new face of the Democrat Party. Edited July 29, 2018 by 3rdnlng Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly101 Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 3 hours ago, Dr.Sack said: I love this thread...why are you conservatives so worried about AOC? As Pelosi attempted to explain “this is an isolated phenomena.” Lots of time being spent on an idealogy that can “never come to pass” as Hillary said about Medicare For All. Its always nice to know that establishment Democrats & Republicans can come together to sell us another 40 years of Neoliberalism. worried? please i don't want her to ever stop, the left been making me giddy since the night hillary lost. I don't want this to ever stop. maxine's another one. Worried? lol. dems are are so misguided and out of touch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted July 29, 2018 Author Share Posted July 29, 2018 4 hours ago, westside said: Is this photo real? It's been around for years and I've never seen anyone try to refute it. Joe is a very touchy guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 If the DNC is privately admitting Trump is unbeatable in 2020, then why not send up another McGovern hopeless candidate against him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 12 minutes ago, row_33 said: If the DNC is privately admitting Trump is unbeatable in 2020, then why not send up another McGovern hopeless candidate against him? They probably will. I'd guess Maxine Waters, to prove the country is misogynistic and racist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 5 hours ago, DC Tom said: They probably will. I'd guess Maxine Waters, to prove the country is misogynistic and racist. The “Debates” between her and President Trump would be incredible theatre - High drama, appointment Television. Who @CNN would give her the questions in advance? Probably wouldn’t make any difference at all. Wolf Blitzer: “Ms Waters, can you tell the American people why you want to become President, and what would your administration want to accomplish?” MW: “Trump, you a scumbag! We couldn’t impeach so now we gonna throw your sorry azz in jail.” That’s a platform that should play well with 35 - 40% of the voting public. In fact that could be her ENTIRE platform and the stock answer to EVERY question she’s asked in all the “debates.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 The American economy is booming while Venezuela has been out of food and tampax and milk and diapers for years yes media, gleefully prop up someone advocating socialism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 (edited) ———— the George McGovern-suicide pact with American reality led to GOP wins for 4 of 5 elections and basically stamped Reagan policy right to this moment and the future Edited July 29, 2018 by row_33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 10 hours ago, 3rdnlng said: Do you not keep up with the news? Keith Ellison, DNC Chair proclaimed her the new face of the Democrat Party. Obviously you don’t, because you don’t even know who the head of the DNC is. And if you knew the story about how that person was handpicked by Obama to defeat the person you mentioned you’d have more cred. 1 hour ago, row_33 said: The American economy is booming while Venezuela has been out of food and tampax and milk and diapers for years yes media, gleefully prop up someone advocating socialism. Why when attacking socialism aren’t you talking about Japan, S. Korea, Germany, France, the UK, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Israel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 15 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said: Obviously you don’t, because you don’t even know who the head of the DNC is. And if you knew the story about how that person was handpicked by Obama to defeat the person you mentioned you’d have more cred. Why when attacking socialism aren’t you talking about Japan, S. Korea, Germany, France, the UK, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Israel? None of those countries are remotely close to the size of population of the US. And can you explain how it would work here? How would it lower costs of health care? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 10 minutes ago, Boyst62 said: None of those countries are remotely close to the size of population of the US. And can you explain how it would work here? How would it lower costs of health care? Japan has 127 million, Germany 83 million, France 67 million, the UK 66 million, South Korea 51 million. It would work here very much the same way Medicare works now, except the idea is to expand it to cover everyone while also providing vision, dental, long-term care while also eliminating the Part D prescription drug donut hole. You can consolidate Medicaid, while keeping the VA system separate. It would lower costs $17 Trillion over a decade compared to our current system. And there wouldn’t be 30 million people without coverage. That $17 Trillion in economic savings would be very deflationary to our economy so it would be necessary to spend that money elsewhere like; regime change wars, more Wall Street bailouts & imprisoning 25% of the world’s prisoners despite only having 5% of the world’s population. In reality we can spend much of those savings back into the commons; infrastructure, sustainable energy, transportation, schools, hospitals, airports, high speed rail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted July 29, 2018 Author Share Posted July 29, 2018 1 hour ago, Dr.Sack said: Obviously you don’t, because you don’t even know who the head of the DNC is. And if you knew the story about how that person was handpicked by Obama to defeat the person you mentioned you’d have more cred. Why when attacking socialism aren’t you talking about Japan, S. Korea, Germany, France, the UK, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Israel? I did know, but I misspoke. Tom Perez is the DNC chairman. So Obama handpicked her for that congressional district? I didn't know that. Maybe he should have coordinated with Nancy, who just thought that AOC was an "isolated phenomena.” (your words) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 38 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said: Japan has 127 million, Germany 83 million, France 67 million, the UK 66 million, South Korea 51 million. It would work here very much the same way Medicare works now, except the idea is to expand it to cover everyone while also providing vision, dental, long-term care while also eliminating the Part D prescription drug donut hole. You can consolidate Medicaid, while keeping the VA system separate. It would lower costs $17 Trillion over a decade compared to our current system. And there wouldn’t be 30 million people without coverage. That $17 Trillion in economic savings would be very deflationary to our economy so it would be necessary to spend that money elsewhere like; regime change wars, more Wall Street bailouts & imprisoning 25% of the world’s prisoners despite only having 5% of the world’s population. In reality we can spend much of those savings back into the commons; infrastructure, sustainable energy, transportation, schools, hospitals, airports, high speed rail. Source for these numbers please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 yes, overhaul the entire medical system. Should take about two days and everyone will live forever 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 Just now, 3rdnlng said: I did know, but I misspoke. Tom Perez is the DNC chairman. So Obama handpicked her for that congressional district? I didn't know that. Maybe he should have coordinated with Nancy, who just thought that AOC was an "isolated phenomena.” (your words) No. Obama recruited Perez for DNC chair over Ellison. Perez is an establishment neoliberal corporate Democrat who speaks in platitudes and cliches and becaus of it refuses to offer any bold progressive policy ideas. He says things like “our values unite us.” And when pushed on healthcare he says “everyone has a right to affordable healthcare”. https://theintercept.com/2017/02/24/key-question-about-dnc-race-why-did-white-house-recruit-perez-to-run-against-ellison/ 1 minute ago, row_33 said: yes, overhaul the entire medical system. Should take about two days and everyone will live forever It’s not really overhauling it, so much as taking out the 30% overhead of private for profit insurance. It would be like how Medicare currently works. The government would be the single insurer / payer. Not a difficult overhaul at all and even conservatives who study trends know it’s going to happen sooner or later. http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-conservative-case-for-universal-healthcare/ Why Trump doesn’t try to pass this before 2020 I have no idea. He would be re-elected in a landslide if he proposed and passed Medicare-for-All with the help of his followers & the Progressive left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 14 minutes ago, Boyst62 said: Source for these numbers please? The source is zero sum professor commies inc.. None of it would happen and for profit innovation would come to a screeeeeeeeeeching halt. Not for profit innovation would stick around and produce its normal nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 I see therapists are increasing their client lists over Trump hopefully they tell them, maybe you should just grow up and live your life anyways? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 35 minutes ago, Boyst62 said: Source for these numbers please? http://www.urban.org/sites/default/files/alfresco/publication-pdfs/2000785-The-Sanders-Single-Payer-Health-Care-Plan.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 10 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said: http://www.urban.org/sites/default/files/alfresco/publication-pdfs/2000785-The-Sanders-Single-Payer-Health-Care-Plan.pdf The description of the organization translates to "professor commies" without even being arguable. And this is with them trying to spin it positively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 19 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said: http://www.urban.org/sites/default/files/alfresco/publication-pdfs/2000785-The-Sanders-Single-Payer-Health-Care-Plan.pdf How's care going to be delivered? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 28 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said: http://www.urban.org/sites/default/files/alfresco/publication-pdfs/2000785-The-Sanders-Single-Payer-Health-Care-Plan.pdf Who will pay for it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 1 minute ago, Boyst62 said: Who will pay for it? when the USD becomes the equivalent of the Venezuelan bolivare what does it really matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Foxx said: when the USD becomes the equivalent of the Venezuelan bolivare what does it really matter? How are we going to pay for a system that saves $17 Trillion over our current system? That’s laughable. How does Canada, the UK, Germany, France, Japan, S Korea pay for their system? Edited July 29, 2018 by Dr.Sack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 1 minute ago, Dr.Sack said: How are we going to pay for a system that saves $17 Trillion over our current system? That’s laughable. How does Canada, the UK, Germany, France, Japan, S Korea pay for their system? nice attempt at constructing a strawman. your comment has absolutely no bearing on my statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 15 minutes ago, DC Tom said: How's care going to be delivered? The same way Medicare currently delivers care, except now you get better Medicare with long-term care, vision, dental & no more Part D supplemental. Because you guys are all wildly successful capitalists I’m sure you can buy your private supplemental insurance to cover Botox & Viagara. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 2 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said: How does Canada, the UK, Germany, France, Japan, S Korea pay for their system? Because we shoulder the burden of their defense costs, for one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 23 minutes ago, DC Tom said: How's care going to be delivered? 14 minutes ago, Boyst62 said: Who will pay for it? Funny how all these great ideas for government run anything don't address those small details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 Just now, Foxx said: nice attempt at constructing a strawman. your comment has absolutely no bearing on my statement. 2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Because we shoulder the burden of their defense costs, for one. I understand you don’t understand Economics. Venezuela has one primary source of GDP - exporting oil. They are experiencing hyper inflation not deflation. The $17 Trillion savings would be a huge deflationary event, it wouldn’t make us have inflation. But to say how it’s paid for number one understand this right now every worker pays 1.45% into Medicare & their employer matches 1.45%. This is in addition to the cost of employer provided insurance which costs around $500 a month. Assume your Medicare tax would go to 5%. Your employer also pays 5% but would get out of the business of administrating and negotiating with health insurers. At 17-19% of GDP our health care system is the highest in the world. We can bring this down to 10% and save trillions. The question than becomes how do we spend those savings to make our economy not go into hyper-deflation? We’d have some 250,000 newly unemployed bean counters at the private insurance companies, and medical billing office clerks who won’t be needed in such mass numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 Just now, Dr.Sack said: I understand you don’t understand Economics. I answered your question. Rather than rebut it, you dodged it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 7 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said: The same way Medicare currently delivers care, except now you get better Medicare with long-term care, vision, dental & no more Part D supplemental. Because you guys are all wildly successful capitalists I’m sure you can buy your private supplemental insurance to cover Botox & Viagara. ? So our government will force private doctors and medical companies to provide the services and accept whatever the government decides is fair compensation for that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 4 minutes ago, keepthefaith said: So our government will force private doctors and medical companies to provide the services and accept whatever the government decides is fair compensation for that? That is how it currently works in Canada. I don’t see Canadians in the streets demanding private insurers take over their national healthcare. In the U.S. 93% of doctors accept Medicare. Medicare pays very well and on-time. In actuality medical billing is complicated and insurers often slow pay & sometimes don’t pay. This is wasteful & inefficient. Prices can be negotiated as they are now, and pegged to inflation. The idea that we have people going bankrupt due to medical debt is absurd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 22 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Because we shoulder the burden of their defense costs, for one. And much of their health care as well, don't fool youself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 1 hour ago, Boyst62 said: Source for these numbers please? His a**. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts