Dr.Sack Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 I like Ocassio-Cortez because she cares about people over corporate profit. What do you call an economic system that takes the richest country the world has ever seen and renders half of its population poor and low income? Where 40% can’t afford a $400 emergency & 50% of all workers earn under $30,000 per year, and 71% earn under $50,000 per year. You call it a failed system. But hey, at least Jeff Bezos is worth $150 Billion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said: I like Ocassio-Cortez because she cares about people over corporate profit. What do you call an economic system that takes the richest country the world has ever seen and renders half of its population poor and low income? Where 40% can’t afford a $400 emergency & 50% of all workers earn under $30,000 per year, and 71% earn under $50,000 per year. You call it a failed system. But hey, at least Jeff Bezos is worth $150 Billion. it's good to have vocal people in national government to raise the concerns of the neglected as long as they don't seize power, then we are all totally !@#$ed. didn't O-C grow up in a very toney neighbourhood???? Edited July 20, 2018 by row_33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted July 20, 2018 Author Share Posted July 20, 2018 34 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said: I like Ocassio-Cortez because she cares about people over corporate profit. What do you call an economic system that takes the richest country the world has ever seen and renders half of its population poor and low income? Where 40% can’t afford a $400 emergency & 50% of all workers earn under $30,000 per year, and 71% earn under $50,000 per year. You call it a failed system. But hey, at least Jeff Bezos is worth $150 Billion. Do as I say, not as I do. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is being hailed as the new face of the Democratic Party after vanquishing Queens party boss Joe Crowley in Tuesday’s primary, but one former co-worker isn’t jumping on her bandwagon. Most of the staff at Flats Fix, the East 16th Street taco and tequila bar, say nice things about Sandy, as they knew her for the four years she worked there, until she quit six months ago to run for Congress. But one waitress has a bad memory of working with Ocasio-Cortez, 28, as Ocasio-Cortez tended bar during the very busy Cinco de Mayo celebration in 2017. At the end of the night, when it came time to split the $560 in tips she had gotten at the bar, Ocasio-Cortez gave the waitress only $50. After the waitress complained to her manager, her take was doubled to $100, a source said. “It says so much about her character,” said my source. “From that point on, I wouldn’t talk to her. https://pagesix.com/2018/07/01/ex-co-worker-no-fan-of-democrat-darling-alexandria-ocasio-cortez/?utm_source=zergnet.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=zergnet_3065122 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, row_33 said: it's good to have vocal people in national government to raise the concerns of the neglected as long as they don't seize power, then we are all totally !@#$ed. didn't O-C grow up in a very toney neighbourhood???? Not really, Yorktown, Westchester County. Some of the kids there have to drive domestic cars, and many parents can't afford to buy them, they have to lease. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 10 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Not really, Yorktown, Westchester County. Some of the kids there have to drive domestic cars, and many parents can't afford to buy them, they have to lease. So Westchester isn't a good place to live? Okay... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 11 minutes ago, row_33 said: So Westchester isn't a good place to live? Okay... She grew up in a working class town. Not all Westchester is uber-rich. But why would you spend a second doing your own research, moron? 1 hour ago, billsfan89 said: The reason 20% of the population pays 87% of the income tax burden is because they take in 52% of the total income. You could argue that the middle class could be taxed more but then there is the issue of making a tough economy even tougher for a shrinking middle class. The distribution of tax to income is thrown off a bell curve because of the middle class and not the working poor. There is a flawed idea that the 45% of people that don't pay federal income tax could "pay their fair share" and contribute more. I remember seeing a study done around the time Obama was considering repealing the Bush tax cut for the top bracket that said that if you taxed the bottom 45% of earners a 100% tax rate it would only be about 10 billion dollars more than the tax revenue that the top earners got from the Bush tax cuts top bracket rate cut. So in the same breath that you admit that it's ok for people earning 52% of income to bear 87% of the income tax burden (and growing) you talk about tax fairness? The whole point of bringing up Scandinavians is that the tax base is more ratable, and nearly everyone has skin in the game. When you have an increasing share of population that doesn't pay an income tax, and whose payroll tax is largely invisible to them, it makes it a lot easier to push through populist/socialist policies that will collapse in the end. The fiscal model of relying on a smaller and smaller percentage of population paying taxes to support increasing social programs is reckless and unsustainable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 fascinating, GG, do go on..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevbeau Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Dr.Sack said: I like Ocassio-Cortez because she cares about people over corporate profit. What do you call an economic system that takes the richest country the world has ever seen and renders half of its population poor and low income? Where 40% can’t afford a $400 emergency & 50% of all workers earn under $30,000 per year, and 71% earn under $50,000 per year. You call it a failed system. But hey, at least Jeff Bezos is worth $150 Billion. So if they made...say $35 K a year they'd be able to afford that $400 emergency? At some point, people need to realize that greatest impact on their current state is due to your previous choices and actions, not the guiding hand of some unseen force. Also, we have a very blurred line and what is considered a "need" vs a "want."Or to state it another way, do they not have $400 because they simply can't afford it, or did that money go somewhere else. Edited July 20, 2018 by Kevbeau 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 12 minutes ago, row_33 said: So Westchester isn't a good place to live? Okay... My bad--I didn't include the sarcasm do-hickey. My wife is from Yorktown, it's a very nice community. I haven't been there in many years, but I'd say...yeah, it's a nice place to live. I'll hold off on judging AOC beyond my natural instinct is that she's full of cr_p, but maybe she is the real deal who, if elected, will fight THE man, fight BIG _______, fight for Platinum health care coverage for all, live a simple life and forgo the normal trapping of the political class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Dr.Sack said: I like Ocassio-Cortez because she cares about people over corporate profit. What do you call an economic system that takes the richest country the world has ever seen and renders half of its population poor and low income? Where 40% can’t afford a $400 emergency & 50% of all workers earn under $30,000 per year, and 71% earn under $50,000 per year. You call it a failed system. But hey, at least Jeff Bezos is worth $150 Billion. a crying shame but i have things to do today, working and contributing to society, so other people can work and buy things as well and get things done Dr Sack, please feel free to sit there and worry about people you will never meet, who honestly don't give two craps about your existence.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted July 20, 2018 Author Share Posted July 20, 2018 8 minutes ago, row_33 said: a crying shame but i have things to do today, working and contributing to society, so other people can work and buy things as well and get things done Dr Sack, please feel free to sit there and worry about people you will never meet, who honestly don't give two craps about your existence.... I think I have two craps in me that I'll dedicate to Dr. Sack when they come out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MILFHUNTER#518 Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 Very good analysis. This guy has been beating this drum as long as I can remember, dont agree with him on everything but on this issue he is 100% right. https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/07/19/michael-savage-youre-asleep-think-communism-cant-happen-america/ Quote: Michael Savage warned his audience of “the coming socialism” and “growing left wing in America” during Wednesday’s broadcast of his eponymous radio show. Partial transcript below: I want to talk about the coming socialism and ask you … what would you do if the far-left took control of the United States government? Have you made backup plans? I know very intelligent people who are talking about moving out of America should the Bernie Sanders wing of the Democrat Party prevail. You say, “That’s hysterical. It can’t happen here.” You’re wrong. It’s happened in other nations and it can happen here. And we know what they stand for. … If the communists take over America, and many of them are already in very prominent positions; notably, we have a former communist who was put into the CIA — John Brennan — by Barack Hussein Obama, who was an overt crypto-communist who’s done very well indeed, like all leaders of any communist party have always done. Obama came to do good and he did very, very well indeed. Like all communists, they wind up on top. … They want free housing for all; free health care for all, free college education for all, free transportation for all. They want the abolition of ICE. … They want the abolition of prisons, meaning they want the release of people from prisons. … They want rapists released, murderers released. They call for everyone to receive a basic income … whether or not they work. “If you think that it can’t happen here, then you’re really asleep,” Savage warned. Savage spoke of teaching children to value the work behind earning money, “If you ever raise children and you give them something for nothing, they become worthless. You have to teach a child the value of money, as I was taught as a child.” Savage continued, “The reason [socialism] has failed everywhere it’s been tried is because you have to use other people’s money to make it work. And as Margaret Thatcher famously said, ‘Socialism is a great system until you run out of other people’s money.'” Savage examined how Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) — a self-described “democratic socialist” — had become a millionaire through monetizing communist ideology: Bernie the seltzer man Sanders … is the most dangerous political figure in American history; far more dangerous than any ever seen before because he looks so harmless, doesn’t he? Like a Jewish grandfather; like everyone’s favorite floppy grandfather, doesn’t he? Old Bernie Sanders. He looks like he can do no harm, but he can do much harm, indeed. … Yet you get people coming along like [Bernie Sanders], Union Square commie, New York-style — I knew the type as a child, everyone had a bad cousin or uncle like him with a dirty suit, bad shoes, bad wife, no car, rode the subway, couldn’t get to first base, lived underneath the L somewhere in the Bronx, a miserable human being who never had a decent job in his life, resented everybody else in the family, his tie was stained, his shirt was stained, his suit was stained, and he always talked about communism — and now look where he is, making over a million dollars a year selling it to the useful idiot children who’ve grown up being brainwashed into thinking this has never been tried anywhere. Look how far he has come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 31 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: My bad--I didn't include the sarcasm do-hickey. My wife is from Yorktown, it's a very nice community. I haven't been there in many years, but I'd say...yeah, it's a nice place to live. I'll hold off on judging AOC beyond my natural instinct is that she's full of cr_p, but maybe she is the real deal who, if elected, will fight THE man, fight BIG _______, fight for Platinum health care coverage for all, live a simple life and forgo the normal trapping of the political class. kinda phony to pretend one is rising from the worst or the worst with a really good upbringing i never trust people who mouth off about the poor when they aren't poor themselves, the worst form of demagogues out there.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 8 minutes ago, row_33 said: kinda phony to pretend one is rising from the worst or the worst with a really good upbringing i never trust people who mouth off about the poor when they aren't poor themselves, the worst form of demagogues out there.... I think I'd disagree with just about everything she stands for, but can certainly respect someone who lives a life that reflects service and commitment to the less fortunate. She can come from Yorktown or the South Bronx, commit to service and give most everything she's got away or the greater good. Unfortunately, the trajectory for this sort of candidate seems to be success, empowerment, loss of center, hypocrisy, substantial personal enrichment, blind trusts, shielding of assets from taxation (legally or otherwise) and a lake house in Vermont just down the bay from Bernie and his wife with the broken calculator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 (edited) 22 hours ago, B-Man said: More on "She Guavera" So... 80 hours per week at $10 per hour (let's forget 'fight for $15 kiosks' for a minute) is, with overtime $1,000 per week for one person. Multiply that by 52 is $52,000... for one person. If you can't feed your family on $52,000 per year (for one person), you're a moron whose !@#$ing kids deserve to starve. Edit: Even with multiple jobs getting no overtime, it's still over $41,000 per year, for one person. Their kids still deserve to starve. Edited July 20, 2018 by Koko78 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 1 minute ago, Koko78 said: So... 80 hours per week at $10 per hour (let's forget 'fight for $15 kiosks' for a minute) is, with overtime $1,000 per week for one person. Multiply that by 52 is $52,000... for one person. If you can't feed your family on $52,000 per year (for one person), you're a moron whose !@#$ing kids deserve to starve. I'd caveat that, entirely seriously, with the observation that she's from NYC, where that doesn't necessarily apply. I won't even call her an idiot for not recognizing that there's an entire country outside of NYC where things are significantly different...because no one from NYC ever recognizes that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 2 hours ago, Dr.Sack said: I like Ocassio-Cortez because she cares about people over corporate profit. What do you call an economic system that takes the richest country the world has ever seen and renders half of its population poor and low income? Where 40% can’t afford a $400 emergency & 50% of all workers earn under $30,000 per year, and 71% earn under $50,000 per year. You call it a failed system. But hey, at least Jeff Bezos is worth $150 Billion. "Poor" and "low income" are incredibly relative terms. The US poverty line (just over $12,000 per year) is higher than the per capita income of about half the planet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Dr.Sack said: I like Ocassio-Cortez because she cares about people over corporate profit. What do you call an economic system that takes the richest country the world has ever seen and renders half of its population poor and low income? Where 40% can’t afford a $400 emergency & 50% of all workers earn under $30,000 per year, and 71% earn under $50,000 per year. You call it a failed system. But hey, at least Jeff Bezos is worth $150 Billion. Most in the bottom 50% of workers are there because they deserve to be. They've not done what they can to do better financially. When you really look at our population objectively, we have a huge portion that are lazy and have not taken best advantage of educational and other opportunities. Many people are just not motivated or willing to act on motivation to do better. They get comfortable in the financial struggle and just find ways to stay there or they continue to make the mistakes in their work that keep them there. And some people candidly are happy there. Edited July 20, 2018 by keepthefaith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 10 minutes ago, keepthefaith said: Most in the bottom 50% of workers are there because they deserve to be. They've not done what they can to do better financially. When you really look at our population objectively, we have a huge portion that are lazy and have not taken best advantage of educational and other opportunities. Many people are just not motivated or willing to act on motivation to do better. They get comfortable in the financial struggle and just find ways to stay there or they continue to make the mistakes in their work that keep them there. depends on what you want out of life i have never been overly ambitious and have stayed with the same firm for a long time now i know i could have made a lot more $$$ changing jobs every 3 years, but i don't really care about that i watched a lot of people destroy themselves trying to dominate the world, sometimes it was their choice, more often it was family pressures to keep increasing the take-home pay every year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 6 minutes ago, row_33 said: depends on what you want out of life i have never been overly ambitious and have stayed with the same firm for a long time now i know i could have made a lot more $$$ changing jobs every 3 years, but i don't really care about that i watched a lot of people destroy themselves trying to dominate the world, sometimes it was their choice, more often it was family pressures to keep increasing the take-home pay every year Which is a good point. If people are happy with their lives then they aren't victims of a system measured by income. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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