3rdnlng Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 She's been hyped by no less than the DNC leadership as the future of the Democrat Party. https://nypost.com/2018/07/17/ocasio-cortez-ignites-controversy-with-comments-on-israeli-occupation/ Democratic congressional candidate Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez caused controversy in a recent interview when she said America wasn’t founded on capitalism and called Israel an “occupation” force over the Palestinian territories. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Interviewer Margaret Hoover immediately sought clarification on Ocasio-Cortez’s use of the hot-button word “occupation.” “Oh I think — what I meant is like the settlements that are increasing in some of these areas and places where Palestinians are experiencing difficulty in access to their housing and homes,” said Ocasio-Cortez. She chuckled and tried to laugh off her blunder. “I am not the expert on geopolitics on this issue,” she said. “I just look at things through a human rights lens and I may not use the right words … Middle Eastern politics is not exactly at my kitchen table every night.” ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Earlier in the show, Ocasio-Cortez was asked about the modern economy, and she predicted that capitalism would come to an end someday. She also claimed the United States didn’t have capitalist roots. “Capitalism has not always existed in the world and it will not always exist in the world,” said Ocasio-Cortez. “When this country started … we did not operate on a capitalist economy.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 I just saw the future of the Democratic Party: an "Obama 2020" t-shirt. Jesus, my phone autocompleted "Obama 2020." What the !@#$? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 1 hour ago, 3rdnlng said: Earlier in the show, Ocasio-Cortez was asked about the modern economy, and she predicted that capitalism would come to an end someday. She also claimed the United States didn’t have capitalist roots. “Capitalism has not always existed in the world and it will not always exist in the world,” said Ocasio-Cortez. “When this country started … we did not operate on a capitalist economy.” Eh... She's not completely wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 looking forward to another set of McGovern/Carter/Mondale/Dukakis Dem candidates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted July 17, 2018 Author Share Posted July 17, 2018 25 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: Eh... She's not completely wrong. That Socialism didn't last very long, now did it? Hunger is a motivator. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 1 minute ago, 3rdnlng said: That Socialism didn't last very long, now did it? Hunger is a motivator. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 Apparently the new gift from Alexandria is her explanation that the reason we have low unemployment is "because everyone has two jobs.” When you couple this with Obama coming out to explain that what the country needs is "universal income." Man, oh, man, it's like you leftist nutbags are BEGGING for more Trump. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 10 minutes ago, LABillzFan said: Apparently the new gift from Alexandria is her explanation that the reason we have low unemployment is "because everyone has two jobs.” When you couple this with Obama coming out to explain that what the country needs is "universal income." Man, oh, man, it's like you leftist nutbags are BEGGING for more Trump. That's because polling is starting to show a rapid rate in growing support for UBI that 48% of Americans now support it compared to 12% ten years ago. It could eventually be a political winner. It's a scary direction the Democrats are slowly heading down since the '08 crash. 48% of Americans support a universal basic income program 46% of supporters would pay higher personal taxes to support it 80% of supporters say companies should pay higher taxes to fund the program Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 8 hours ago, 3rdnlng said: She's been hyped by no less than the DNC leadership as the future of the Democrat Party. ... riiiiggghhhttttt. because only 19% of eligible Democrats turned out to vote for that primary. meaning, 81% just, #walkedaway. the DNC leadership is delusional. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 (edited) 51 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: That's because polling is starting to show a rapid rate in growing support for UBI that 48% of Americans now support it compared to 12% ten years ago. It could eventually be a political winner. It's a scary direction the Democrats are slowly heading down since the '08 crash. 48% of Americans support a universal basic income program 46% of supporters would pay higher personal taxes to support it 80% of supporters say companies should pay higher taxes to fund the program another biased poll nobody with a conservative view trusts ANY poll any more, we just say !@#$ OFF!!! or say undecided if a gun is held to our head Edited July 17, 2018 by row_33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, LABillzFan said: Apparently the new gift from Alexandria is her explanation that the reason we have low unemployment is "because everyone has two jobs.” When you couple this with Obama coming out to explain that what the country needs is "universal income." Man, oh, man, it's like you leftist nutbags are BEGGING for more Trump. We're gonna see the real Obama in upcoming years I think. He hid his true socialistic and racist beliefs to an extent while in the White House. He's a free bird now. Surprised it took him this long to start banging that drum. Alexandria should get some political advice which would be to stay off the radar as much as possible before the election. No interviews, no debates, no rallies. Just count on the big "D" next to your name on the ballot to carry you in your district. 57 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: That's because polling is starting to show a rapid rate in growing support for UBI that 48% of Americans now support it compared to 12% ten years ago. It could eventually be a political winner. It's a scary direction the Democrats are slowly heading down since the '08 crash. 48% of Americans support a universal basic income program 46% of supporters would pay higher personal taxes to support it 80% of supporters say companies should pay higher taxes to fund the program So Dems say: come on in (to any and all immigrants), get a check and smoke a few joints too. What a country. Edited July 17, 2018 by keepthefaith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 14 minutes ago, Foxx said: riiiiggghhhttttt. because only 19% of eligible Democrats turned out to vote for that primary. meaning, 81% just, #walkedaway. the DNC leadership is delusional. I had a conversation the other day with a very smart political operator who work(ed/s) as a contractor for various alphabet agencies. "Strategist" is their job title, but fixer is more accurate. We are friends, so we were just shooting the **** rather than talking seriously. The conversation turned to how they would deal with rooting out the corruption inside both political parties without overturning the apple cart (so to speak). I asked how they would advise the President if they were asked. The answer was pretty amazing (imo). You get the DNC to blow itself up and rebuild itself. This assumes Trump has unimpeachable evidence of the type of seditious acts, which as an outsider POTUS with control of the NSA he'd absolutely have, then the best play (according to this person) would be for Trump to present that evidence in private to the leaders of the DNC. (remember this meeting?) Make it clear the absolute worst of it will become public by midterms unless the guilty step down and the party rebuilds. We've already seen unusually high numbers of congresscritters resigning/not running - but how do you get the party to rebuild? In this person's opinion, you first get the party perform public seppuku. The best way to do that? The DNC leadership pushes the fringe loonies to the spotlight and gives them the wheel heading into the midterms for one. That, in turn, will drive the majority of centrists and independents away in November and destroy the chances of a blue wave. Such a public shellacking and rejection of the fringe progressive left message (which is the minority of DNC voters) would - in theory - drive the DNC back towards the center over the next few election cycles without having to completely vaporize one of the major political parties - which to this person, would be incredibly destabilizing and something Trump likely would want to avoid. Not saying that's what's happening, just that it was an interesting answer in light of what you said above (and how the DNC leadership is publicly acting). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly101 Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Doc Brown said: That's because polling is starting to show a rapid rate in growing support for UBI that 48% of Americans now support it compared to 12% ten years ago. It could eventually be a political winner. It's a scary direction the Democrats are slowly heading down since the '08 crash. 48% of Americans support a universal basic income program 46% of supporters would pay higher personal taxes to support it 80% of supporters say companies should pay higher taxes to fund the program That will go over as well as the tax on businesses out west to clean up the human feces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 (edited) 35 minutes ago, keepthefaith said: So Dems say: come on in (to any and all immigrants), get a check and smoke a few joints too. What a country. Canada is way too conservative a society to talk like that. Edited July 17, 2018 by row_33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Doc Brown said: That's because polling is starting to show a rapid rate in growing support for UBI that 48% of Americans now support it compared to 12% ten years ago. It could eventually be a political winner. It's a scary direction the Democrats are slowly heading down since the '08 crash. 48% of Americans support a universal basic income program 46% of supporters would pay higher personal taxes to support it 80% of supporters say companies should pay higher taxes to fund the program 80% of UBI supporters think companies should pay people to not work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Large Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Doc Brown said: That's because polling is starting to show a rapid rate in growing support for UBI that 48% of Americans now support it compared to 12% ten years ago. It could eventually be a political winner. It's a scary direction the Democrats are slowly heading down since the '08 crash. 48% of Americans support a universal basic income program 46% of supporters would pay higher personal taxes to support it 80% of supporters say companies should pay higher taxes to fund the program 9 hours ago, 3rdnlng said: She's been hyped by no less than the DNC leadership as the future of the Democrat Party. https://nypost.com/2018/07/17/ocasio-cortez-ignites-controversy-with-comments-on-israeli-occupation/ Democratic congressional candidate Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez caused controversy in a recent interview when she said America wasn’t founded on capitalism and called Israel an “occupation” force over the Palestinian territories. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Interviewer Margaret Hoover immediately sought clarification on Ocasio-Cortez’s use of the hot-button word “occupation.” “Oh I think — what I meant is like the settlements that are increasing in some of these areas and places where Palestinians are experiencing difficulty in access to their housing and homes,” said Ocasio-Cortez. She chuckled and tried to laugh off her blunder. “I am not the expert on geopolitics on this issue,” she said. “I just look at things through a human rights lens and I may not use the right words … Middle Eastern politics is not exactly at my kitchen table every night.” ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Earlier in the show, Ocasio-Cortez was asked about the modern economy, and she predicted that capitalism would come to an end someday. She also claimed the United States didn’t have capitalist roots. “Capitalism has not always existed in the world and it will not always exist in the world,” said Ocasio-Cortez. “When this country started … we did not operate on a capitalist economy.” Whats sad, in 2018, the Democrats could if they wanted to take over as the party of fiscal responsibility.... nobody fills that spot right now, I think that could be a very compelling message given the state of the Countries finances. Propose some measures to fix CMS/SS fiscally, reign in war powers and military adventurism, among many other items people could get behind... Instead they tinker with universal basic... isn't that tantamount to waving the white flag of leadership in a way? Edited July 17, 2018 by B-Large Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, DC Tom said: 80% of UBI supporters think companies should pay people to not work? I rather liked how 46% of the UBI supporters would personally pay higher taxes... to not work (and thus not pay taxes). Edited July 17, 2018 by Koko78 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MILFHUNTER#518 Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 33 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: I had a conversation the other day with a very smart political operator who work(ed/s) as a contractor for various alphabet agencies. "Strategist" is their job title, but fixer is more accurate. We are friends, so we were just shooting the **** rather than talking seriously. The conversation turned to how they would deal with rooting out the corruption inside both political parties without overturning the apple cart (so to speak). I asked how they would advise the President if they were asked. The answer was pretty amazing (imo). You get the DNC to blow itself up and rebuild itself. This assumes Trump has unimpeachable evidence of the type of seditious acts, which as an outsider POTUS with control of the NSA he'd absolutely have, then the best play (according to this person) would be for Trump to present that evidence in private to the leaders of the DNC. (remember this meeting?) Make it clear the absolute worst of it will become public by midterms unless the guilty step down and the party rebuilds. We've already seen unusually high numbers of congresscritters resigning/not running - but how do you get the party to rebuild? In this person's opinion, you first get the party perform public seppuku. The best way to do that? The DNC leadership pushes the fringe loonies to the spotlight and gives them the wheel heading into the midterms for one. That, in turn, will drive the majority of centrists and independents away in November and destroy the chances of a blue wave. Such a public shellacking and rejection of the fringe progressive left message (which is the minority of DNC voters) would - in theory - drive the DNC back towards the center over the next few election cycles without having to completely vaporize one of the major political parties - which to this person, would be incredibly destabilizing and something Trump likely would want to avoid. Not saying that's what's happening, just that it was an interesting answer in light of what you said above (and how the DNC leadership is publicly acting). I think that is a good analysis. The ruling class is in reality moderate left, not marxist leninist revolutionary like Alexandria and that disheveled bolshevik from Vermont. If the hardcore bolsheviks do take over the party, chuck the schmuck and crazy Nancy will be shown the door. Look what happened in California last night, diane Feinstein was not endorsed by the CA dem convention. Think about that. Diane Feinstein, one of the most powerful leaders in the dem party, could not get the endorsement of the biggest blue state in the nation. Chuck the schmuck is not dumb. He sees the writing on the wall, imho. I think there is some there there with your post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 14 minutes ago, B-Large said: Whats sad, in 2018, the Democrats could if they wanted to take over as the party of fiscal responsibility.... nobody fills that spot right now, I think that could be a very compelling message given the state of the Countries finances. Propose some measures to fix CMS/SS fiscally, reign in war powers and military adventurism, among many other items people could get behind... Instead they tinker with universal basic... isn't that tantamount to waving the white flag of leadership in a way? Yes, fiscal responsibility is wide open right now. Neither party has made a claim there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 16 minutes ago, DC Tom said: 80% of UBI supporters think companies should pay people to not work? Uhuh... I'm sure that would be great for wages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 2 hours ago, Doc Brown said: That's because polling is starting to show a rapid rate in growing support for UBI that 48% of Americans now support it compared to 12% ten years ago. It could eventually be a political winner. It's a scary direction the Democrats are slowly heading down since the '08 crash. 48% of Americans support a universal basic income program 46% of supporters would pay higher personal taxes to support it 80% of supporters say companies should pay higher taxes to fund the program That's not a winning poll by any stretch of the imagination. In fact, if I were the left, I'd hide that poll. It's embarrassing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 1 hour ago, LABillzFan said: That's not a winning poll by any stretch of the imagination. In fact, if I were the left, I'd hide that poll. It's embarrassing. I wish that were true, but when nearly half of America supports it including the majority of your party then it's a potential winning issue in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted July 18, 2018 Author Share Posted July 18, 2018 Chicago is talking about an experimental program of giving a thousand people $500 a month as UBI. What could ever go possibly wrong there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 6 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Chicago is talking about an experimental program of giving a thousand people $500 a month as UBI. What could ever go possibly wrong there? Yeah, like Chicago has $6 million a year laying around in surplus. It's Rahm buying votes with other people's money when he's in a tight Mayoral race. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Doc Brown said: I wish that were true, but when nearly half of America supports it including the majority of your party then it's a potential winning issue in the future. People who think it's a good idea to pay people for doing nothing don't tend to make it to the polls on time. They are good at retweeting other idiots, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 Cmon and take a free ride yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah Cmon and take a free ride dems want full hand-overs from Erection to freakin Resurrection Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 18 minutes ago, row_33 said: Cmon and take a free ride yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah Cmon and take a free ride dems want full hand-overs from Erection to freakin Resurrection Who's paying for these "free" hand-outs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 14 minutes ago, njbuff said: Who's paying for these "free" hand-outs? All the fools who did their best in school, obeyed the law, got married, raise their kids best they can, work very very hard and pay taxes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 1 minute ago, row_33 said: All the fools who did their best in school, obeyed the law, got married, raise their kids best they can, work very very hard and pay taxes? I guess for the "fool" you just mentioned.................... the American dream in NOT live and well. The "fool" are living the American dream for others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 Just now, njbuff said: I guess for the "fool" you just mentioned.................... the American dream in NOT live and well. The "fool" are living the American dream for others. Happiness is a part of doing your best and not living like a pile of trash? The worst pile of trash lives well while telling people it’s okay to be a total leech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, row_33 said: Happiness is a part of doing your best and not living like a pile of trash? The worst pile of trash lives well while telling people it’s okay to be a total leech. Inner city Chicago, New York and LA say hello. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 Just now, njbuff said: Inner city Chicago, New York and LA say hello. Most university instructors, they sure don’t live in the pigsty they promote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 Just now, row_33 said: Most university instructors, they sure don’t live in the pigsty they promote Universities still exist? I thought they all shut down free speech? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, njbuff said: Universities still exist? I thought they all shut down free speech? STEM still is vital, they are studying. The rest are dancing around a maypole the whole time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 2 hours ago, Doc Brown said: I wish that were true, but when nearly half of America supports it including the majority of your party then it's a potential winning issue in the future. First of all, half of America doesn't pay taxes, so to ask them if they want free money and to make other companies pay for it is like asking your child if they want ice cream for breakfast. It's a stupid poll. Do you want free money? Do you want companies to be taxed higher to give you this money? How big of a magoo do you have to be to NOT predict the outcome of something so embarrassingly stupid? Second of all, what's my party? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 12 minutes ago, LABillzFan said: First of all, half of America doesn't pay taxes, so to ask them if they want free money and to make other companies pay for it is like asking your child if they want ice cream for breakfast. It's a stupid poll. Do you want free money? Do you want companies to be taxed higher to give you this money? How big of a magoo do you have to be to NOT predict the outcome of something so embarrassingly stupid? Second of all, what's my party? I meant the Democratic party as I was referring to Obama's comment about possibly embracing UBI in the future. Nothing to do with you. It may be a stupid poll, but all it takes are some stupid politicians to embrace that poll and run on it. If this party continues to pursue the Bernie Sanders path to the radical left, then I'll pry just stay home on election day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted July 18, 2018 Author Share Posted July 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: I meant the Democratic party as I was referring to Obama's comment about possibly embracing UBI in the future. Nothing to do with you. It may be a stupid poll, but all it takes are some stupid politicians to embrace that poll and run on it. If this party continues to pursue the Bernie Sanders path to the radical left, then I'll pry just stay home on election day. Don't worry Doc, our representatives in congress aren't all that sharp. Sasha Baron Cohen got several of them to read scripts off the teleprompter promoting arming 3 year old kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Don't worry Doc, our representatives in congress aren't all that sharp. Sasha Baron Cohen got several of them to read scripts off the teleprompter promoting arming 3 year old kids. I saw that. How they didn't recognize that disguise is beyond me, but I'm guessing they don't watch a lot of TV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/18/lieberman-slams-ocasio-cortez-urges-voters-to-pick-joe-crowley.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 She comes from the Bernie wing. Had it been another white male, the DNC would've ignored the win. Also, her policies of "democratic socialism" are mostly what the Nordic economies and much of Europe follow, such as universal healthcare. They don't seem to be starving... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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