Why Is Our Government Putting People In Cages?

[IDBillzFan]

9 minutes ago, Azalin said:

 

Exactly. The thread itself is 100% troll. He just sits back and laughs at the replies, stoking it here & there for maximum entertainment.

 

Possibly, but these types of trolling threads are pushed to him by his overlords, so he can push them to websites he frequents. Nothing he posts is an original thought, but rather the same questions and stories you see all over social media by people like himself trying to earn his next Land Rover payment.

 

In the process, however, he helps show everyone how devoid of common sense the left is. He asks why the government is separating families because he'll never be smart enough to ask the correct question, which is "Why are parents damaging their children by bringing them to a border where they know they will be separated?"

 

Meanwhile, middle America isn't filled with the lazy POS uneducated dolts the DNC says they are, so it has the opposite long-term effect of making more Americans turn away from  Democrats, which becomes yet another thing the left is simply not smart enough to discern.

[Dante]

6 hours ago, OJABBA said:

They know what will happen at the border. They know the laws will  be enforced. It's not a secret.

 

Yet they keep dragging their kids to the border.

Good point. They are the ones that should have the light shone on them for being irresponsible and cruel

[Azalin]

36 minutes ago, LABillzFan said:

 

Possibly, but these types of trolling threads are pushed to him by his overlords, so he can push them to websites he frequents. Nothing he posts is an original thought, but rather the same questions and stories you see all over social media by people like himself trying to earn his next Land Rover payment.

 

In the process, however, he helps show everyone how devoid of common sense the left is. He asks why the government is separating families because he'll never be smart enough to ask the correct question, which is "Why are parents damaging their children by bringing them to a border where they know they will be separated?"

 

Meanwhile, middle America isn't filled with the lazy POS uneducated dolts the DNC says they are, so it has the opposite long-term effect of making more Americans turn away from  Democrats, which becomes yet another thing the left is simply not smart enough to discern.

 

I'm familiar with the theory that he's posting propaganda in return for a spiffy new Land Rover,  but if that was the case then he could just be a left-wing B-Man* and post the propaganda without encouraging arguments or stringing people along, something at which he's proven to be skillful. 

 

Although I have no doubt that he's a partisan, I seriously doubt that he believes everything he posts. Despite that I've had him on ignore for a couple years by now, I still get treated to a large portion of his work through all the people who quote him, and I can tell you that from the spectator's point of view, he looks more like a puppeteer than a propagandist.

 

Except that he doesn't need to pull any strings, only set the stage and sit back and laugh.

 

 

 

* Not calling you a propagandist, B-Man. Just referencing your habit of linking a lot of articles. 

Edited June 16, 2018 by Azalin

[BringBackOrton]

I can't believe they separated OJ from his children.  Miscarriage of justice.

6 minutes ago, Azalin said:

 

I'm familiar with the theory that he's posting propaganda in return for a spiffy new Land Rover,  but if that was the case then he could just be a left-wing B-Man* and post the propaganda without encouraging arguments or stringing people along, something at which he's proven to be skillful. 

 

Although I have no doubt that he's a partisan, I seriously doubt that he believes everything he posts. Despite that I've had him on ignore for a couple years by now, I still get treated to a large portion of his work through all the people who quote him, and I can tell you that from the spectator's point of view, he looks more like a puppeteer than a propagandist.

 

Except that he doesn't need to pull any strings, only set the stage and sit back and laugh.

 

 

 

* Not calling you a propagandist, B-Man. Just referencing your habit of linking a lot of articles. 

What Gator does takes no skill at all.

 

[Azalin]

9 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

 

What Gator does takes no skill at all.

 

 

It seems to me that those that ignore him are the ones saying "%#$@ off, retard" and the ones replying are being played by someone with "no skill at all".

[BringBackOrton]

51 minutes ago, Azalin said:

 

It seems to me that those that ignore him are the ones saying "%#$@ off, retard" and the ones replying are being played by someone with "no skill at all".

I can understand that argument.

 

Even if gator is mostly or entirely trolling, there are undoubtedly tens of thousands of other idiots who do actually believe his nonsense.  And thus demonstrating his idiocy serves to educate those who would believe in his message.  Gator, knowingly or not, is unsalvageable.  But those who march under his standard are not.

Edited June 16, 2018 by BringBackOrton

[3rdnlng]

9 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

I can understand that argument.

 

Even if gator is mostly or entirely trolling, there are undoubtedly tens of thousands of other idiots who do actually believe his nonsense.  And thus demonstrating his idiocy serves to educate those who would believe in his message.  Gator, knowingly or not, is unsalvageable.  But those who march under his standard are not.

Forgive me for my impertinence but who the hell is short enough to walk under gator's standard?

 

 

[outsidethebox]

54 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

Forgive me for my impertinence but who the hell is short enough to walk under gator's standard?

 

 

Lol

He doesn't have any standards. ?

[DC Tom]

3 hours ago, Azalin said:

 

Exactly. The thread itself is 100% troll. He just sits back and laughs at the replies, stoking it here & there for maximum entertainment.

 

The original post is 100% troll.  The thread itself has some surprisingly reasonable discussion.

[3rdnlng]

4 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

The original post is 100% troll.  The thread itself has some surprisingly reasonable discussion.

That's because gator isn't here to mess things up.

[DC Tom]

3 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

That's because gator isn't here to mess things up.

 

This is true.  I did say "surprisingly."

[Azalin]

2 hours ago, BringBackOrton said:

 

Even if gator is mostly or entirely trolling, there are undoubtedly tens of thousands of other idiots who do actually believe his nonsense.  And thus demonstrating his idiocy serves to educate those who would believe in his message.  Gator, knowingly or not, is unsalvageable.  But those who march under his standard are not.

 

 

Absolutely, there are indeed an awful lot of people who are rabid partisans, on both the left and the right, who are either too stubborn or too stupid to see anything from a different point of view, especially one from an opposing philosophy. I don't think there's any question that's what Gator's deal is. But there's more to it than that.

 

Years ago when I was a cook, the restaurant where I worked at the time featured a number of items that were topped or garnished with finely sliced scallions. One prep cook insisted on calling them chives all the time. I would correct him every time he did, until it occurred to me that the only reason he called them chives was because he knew I'd react to it. Once I started asking him for chives, he laughed, acknowledged that he had been messing with me, and went on and found a new victim. He was only doing it to entertain himself, and once I figured that out, he stopped.

 

It's the same thing here. He may be an unsalvageable idiot (in which case why does anyone bother?) but he's mostly just calling scallions chives. 

 

53 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

The original post is 100% troll.  The thread itself has some surprisingly reasonable discussion.

 

Yes. I should have phrased it that way.

[BringBackOrton]

7 minutes ago, Azalin said:

 

Absolutely, there are indeed an awful lot of people who are rabid partisans, on both the left and the right, who are either too stubborn or too stupid to see anything from a different point of view, especially one from an opposing philosophy. I don't think there's any question that's what Gator's deal is. But there's more to it than that.

 

Years ago when I was a cook, the restaurant where I worked at the time featured a number of items that were topped or garnished with finely sliced scallions. One prep cook insisted on calling them chives all the time. I would correct him every time he did, until it occurred to me that the only reason he called them chives was because he knew I'd react to it. Once I started asking him for chives, he laughed, acknowledged that he had been messing with me, and went on and found a new victim. He was only doing it to entertain himself, and once I figured that out, he stopped.

 

It's the same thing here. He may be an unsalvageable idiot (in which case why does anyone bother?) but he's mostly just calling scallions chives. 

 

 

Yes. I should have phrased it that way.

Today I learned McDonald's serves items topped with scallions.

 

?

[frostbitmic]

It would help if they were Norwegians.

Edited June 16, 2018 by frostbitmic

[outsidethebox]

42 minutes ago, frostbitmic said:

It would help if they were Norwegians.

Only if they crossed the border illegally, if they get caught,  they can just whip out the old white privilege card. 

[Albwan]

9 hours ago, 3rdnlng said:

Forgive me for my impertinence but who the hell is short enough to walk under gator's standard?

 

 

Is gator an angry far left liberal white female does anyone know

he/she reminds me so much of one i know

[Azalin]

8 hours ago, BringBackOrton said:

Today I learned McDonald's serves items topped with scallions.

 

?

 

No, that's chopped white/yellow onions. There's a difference.

 

Make light of it as you will, I believe my point still stands.

[Thurmal34]

I’m hearing in this thread that if an American is convicted of a crime that American is separated from his/her family.

 

I challenge anyone here to link an instance where the child of a convicted American offender is put in a cage.

 

Do it. Link it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Prickly Pete]

1 hour ago, Thurmal34 said:

I’m hearing in this thread that if an American is convicted of a crime that American is separated from his/her family.

 

I challenge anyone here to link an instance where the child of a convicted American offender is put in a cage.

 

Do it. Link it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm hearing hysterical ranting from someone who is losing.

[ALF]

“I recognize that people should not break the law, but there’s a lot of desperate people that want to enter this country and we have to take a humane approach to those people.”

- Anthony Scaramucci

On Saturday he tweeted, "Separating innocent children from their families is not the Christian way, the American way, nor what @POTUS wants. Congress must act to stop this madness."

 

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06/17/scaramucci-sees-family-separations-as-potential-pitfall-for-trump.html

 

But have a Happy Fathers Day 

[Prickly Pete]

4 minutes ago, ALF said:

“I recognize that people should not break the law, but there’s a lot of desperate people that want to enter this country and we have to take a humane approach to those people.”

- Anthony Scaramucci

On Saturday he tweeted, "Separating innocent children from their families is not the Christian way, the American way, nor what @POTUS wants. Congress must act to stop this madness."

 

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06/17/scaramucci-sees-family-separations-as-potential-pitfall-for-trump.html

 

I think he will. And when he does, he will remind everyone every chance he gets that he was putting end to a policy that the Obama Administration had enforced for years.

Then it will be on to the next "outrage".

 

 

 

Edited June 17, 2018 by OJ Tom

[ALF]

20 minutes ago, OJ Tom said:

 

I think he will. And when he does, he will remind everyone every chance he gets that he was putting end to a policy that the Obama Administration had enforced for years.

Then it will be on to the next "outrage".

 

 

 

 

Can you link that policy under Obama , just a quick look I found the following

 

When the Obama administration attempted to respond to the “crisis” of families and unaccompanied children crossing the border in summer 2014, it put hundreds of families in immigration detention — a practice that had basically ended several years before. But federal courts stopped the administration from holding families for months without justifying the decision to keep them in detention.

 

So most families ended up getting released while their cases were pending — which immigration hawks have derided as “catch and release.” In some cases, they disappeared into the US rather than showing up for their court dates.

 

https://www.vox.com/2018/6/11/17443198/children-immigrant-families-separated-parents

Edited June 17, 2018 by ALF

[3rdnlng]

This is blatant child abuse that the parent/parents are guilty of. They know full well if they cross the border with their offspring that they are taking the risk that they will be caught and detained. The parents know that it is against our law to detain children with adults. The U.S. government, ever aware that it would be immoral to allow the children to fend for themselves, chooses to house them for their own safety, long enough for the government to find a relative or sponsor to protect them from human trafficking and child slavery. The average stay at a child protection facility is 49 days. It's simple folks, our government is stepping in to alleviate the actions of these parents and protect these children.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

It’s all the Democrats fault!!!

 

So says our liar in chief.  

 

He’ll stop doing it when the Democrats agree with him on funding his border wall bill.  

 

Trump can stop this with one phone call.  

 

You know the wall Mexico will pay for. 

[outsidethebox]

6 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

It’s all the Democrats fault!!!

 

So says our liar in chief.  

 

He’ll stop doing it when the Democrats agree with him on funding his border wall bill.  

 

Trump can stop this with one phone call.  

 

You know the wall Mexico will pay for. 

Maybe all those kids can stay at your house?

[HappyDays]

On 6/16/2018 at 5:40 AM, OJ Tom said:

They know what will happen at the border. They know the laws will  be enforced. It's not a secret.

 

Yet they keep dragging their kids to the border.

 

Do you know what will happen to their kids in the countries they are running from?

[3rdnlng]

5 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

It’s all the Democrats fault!!!

 

So says our liar in chief.  

 

He’ll stop doing it when the Democrats agree with him on funding his border wall bill.  

 

Trump can stop this with one phone call.  

 

You know the wall Mexico will pay for. 

It's past time to quit governing by a phone and a pen. We are a nation of laws not dictators. If you can't see this you have the mind of an imbecile.

[HappyDays]

On 6/16/2018 at 9:22 AM, Albwan said:

why aren't these same democrats showing the same fervent fever of humanity

towards homeless people or hungry people, who are from the US?

 

Right, why don't Democrats focus on policies that help the poor? They should make that one of their things.

[keepthefaith]

8 hours ago, Thurmal34 said:

I’m hearing in this thread that if an American is convicted of a crime that American is separated from his/her family.

 

I challenge anyone here to link an instance where the child of a convicted American offender is put in a cage.

 

Do it. Link it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The children at the border are hardly being held in cages.

 

[3rdnlng]

2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Do you know what will happen to their kids in the countries they are running from?

No, and neither do you. Those seeking asylum and turning themselves in at a port of entry generally don't get their family separated. Those that try to sneak across the border are not considered asylum seekers and are held in different facilities than their supposed children. The children are held an average of 49 days before they are located with a relative or other sponsor.

[BringBackOrton]

9 hours ago, Thurmal34 said:

I’m hearing in this thread that if an American is convicted of a crime that American is separated from his/her family.

 

I challenge anyone here to link an instance where the child of a convicted American offender is put in a cage.

 

Do it. Link it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Cages?

 

What do you think should be done with the children of lawbreakers, who cannot enter the legal system?  Should they join their parents in jail?

[HappyDays]

27 minutes ago, keepthefaith said:

 

The children at the border are hardly being held in cages.

 

 

Tell me if that makes you feel any better when you read articles like this:

 

https://www.texasmonthly.com/news/whats-really-happening-asylum-seeking-families-separated/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

 

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But 90 percent of those who are being convicted are having their children separated from them. The 10 percent that aren’t are some mothers who are going with their children to the detention centers in Karnes and Dilley. But, for the most part, the ones that I’ve been working with are the ones that are actually being prosecuted for criminal entry, which is a pretty new thing for our country—to take first-time asylum seekers who are here seeking safe refuge, to turn around and charge them with a criminal offense. Those parents are finding themselves in adult detention centers and in a process known as expedited removal, where many are being deported. And their children, on the other hand, are put in a completely different legal structure.

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And we may see more parents that get out of jail because they pass a “credible fear” interview, which is the screening done by the asylum office to see who should be deported quickly, within days or weeks of arrival, and who should stay here and have an opportunity to present their asylum case before an immigration judge of the Department of Justice. So we have a lot of individuals who are in that credible fear process right now, but in Houston, once you have a credible fear interview (which will sometimes take two to three weeks to even set up), those results aren’t coming out for four to six weeks. Meanwhile, these parents are just kind of languishing in these detention centers because of the zero-tolerance policy.

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In other cases, we see no communication that the parent knows that their child is to be taken away. Instead, the officers say, “I’m going to take your child to get bathed.” That’s one we see again and again. “Your child needs to come with me for a bath.” The child goes off, and in a half an hour, twenty minutes, the parent inquires, “Where is my five-year-old?” “Where’s my seven-year-old?” “This is a long bath.” And they say, “You won’t be seeing your child again.” Sometimes mothers—I was talking to one mother, and she said, “Don’t take my child away,” and the child started screaming and vomiting and crying hysterically, and she asked the officers, “Can I at least have five minutes to console her?” They said no. In another case, the father said, “Can I comfort my child? Can I hold him for a few minutes?” The officer said, “You must let them go, and if you don’t let them go, I will write you up for an altercation, which will mean that you are the one that had the additional charges charged against you.” So, threats. So the father just let the child go.

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We spoke to nine parents on this Monday, which was the 11th, and these were adults in detention centers outside of Houston. They had been separated from their child between May 23 and May 25, and as of June 11, not one of them had been able to talk to their child or knew a phone number that functioned from the detention center director. None of them had direct information from immigration on where their child was located

Edited June 17, 2018 by HappyDays

[Albwan]

Why are people coming here breaking the law?

[3rdnlng]

16 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

Cages?

 

What do you think should be done with the children of lawbreakers, who cannot enter the legal system?  Should they join their parents in jail?

Children are not allowed to be housed with adults in jail. It's the law.

[njbuff]

I guess ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION means nothing to these really dumb liberals?

[Albwan]

1 minute ago, njbuff said:

I guess ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION means nothing to these really dumb liberals?

You have to admit these are entertaining days indeed...when the media 

starts quoting the bible to back up illegal activity, it really just doesn't get much 

better than this. All this stuff to me is way more fun than the nfl, nba

or hollywood crappy films, by a mile.

quoting the bible, HAHAHAHA

[BringBackOrton]

12 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

Children are not allowed to be housed with adults in jail. It's the law.

I am aware.  I'm asking these fine folks what their solution would be.

[HappyDays]

41 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

No, and neither do you. Those seeking asylum and turning themselves in at a port of entry generally don't get their family separated. Those that try to sneak across the border are not considered asylum seekers and are held in different facilities than their supposed children. The children are held an average of 49 days before they are located with a relative or other sponsor.

 

From the same article I posted above, talking about the legal entry point you mention:

 

TM: Even if they crossed at a legal entry point?

AC: Very few people come to the bridge. The border patrol are saying the bridge is closed. When I was last out in McAllen, people were stacked on the bridge, sleeping there for three, four, ten nights. They’ve now cleared those individuals from sleeping on the bridge, but there are hundreds of accounts of asylum seekers, when they go to the bridge, who are told, “I’m sorry, we’re full today. We can’t process your case.” So the families go illegally on a raft—I don’t want to say illegally; they cross without a visa on a raft. Many of them then look for Border Patrol to turn themselves in, because they know they’re going to ask for asylum. And under this government theory—you know, in the past, we’ve had international treaties, right? Statutes which codified the right of asylum seekers to ask for asylum. Right? Article 31 of the Refugee Convention clearly says that it is improper for any state to use criminal laws that could deter asylum seekers as long as that asylum seeker is asking for asylum within a reasonable amount of time. But our administration is kind of ignoring this longstanding international and national jurisprudence of basic beliefs to make this distinction that, if you come to a bridge, we’re not going to prosecute you, but if you come over the river and then find immigration or are caught by immigration, we’re prosecuting you.

TM: So if you cross any other way besides the bridge, we’re prosecuting you. But . . . you can’t cross the bridge.

AC: That’s right. I’ve talked to tons of people. There are organizations like Al Otro Lado that document border turn-backs. And there’s an effort to accompany asylum seekers so that Customs and Border Patrol can’t say, “We’re closed.” Everybody we’ve talked to who’s been prosecuted or separated has crossed the river without a visa.

 

So let's get this out of the way - this is a complicated situation and there are no easy answers.

 

There is a legal entry point but it isn't always open. Some prospective asylum seekers will then illegally cross the border anyways, and if/when they turn themselves in or are caught they are placed in detention centers. In the past the families wouldn't be separated, they would be kept together until an available judge could hear their case for political asylum. Those found to have a "credible fear" would eventually be given asylum. So these detention centers are a necessary evil. We have to keep them somewhere while they wait to hear their asylum case. I don't have a problem with that.

 

The Trump administration however has taken up a zero-tolerance policy wherein families waiting for their "credible fear" hearings are separated. Children and parents are placed in separate facilities. The parents are often lied to first to make the separation easier. They wont hear from their children again for several weeks or months. This is true whether or not they have a legitimate case for political asylum.

 

The admin's stated reason for this new policy is deterrence. They want prospective asylum seekers to be afraid that their children will be punished. I guess you have to decide for yourself if you're okay with that. Me, I think this is monstrous. I never thought such a policy would be up for debate in America. I know I'm not the only one in this thread that is a parent so I would just ask any of you to imagine yourself and your child in this situation before deciding how you feel about it.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Non-story, just another means of our corrupt "free press" to distract the lemmings from the corruption of their deep-state allies.

 

 

[3rdnlng]

2 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

I am aware.  I'm asking these fine folks what their solution would be.

Their solution is to keep this issue at the front of the news and suck as much out of it as they can for political purposes. If they were to agree to a fix then such as a wall, ending chain migration and getting rid of the lottery they would no longer have an issue to try to gain Hispanic votes.