baskingridgebillsfan Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 1 minute ago, TheTruthHurts said: Revenue. Viability. the narrative only works if the Chief and Green bay were not viable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Just now, corta765 said: First off Lambeau went under a massive massive reno that added seat, luxury boxes etc... the stadium is like brand new and gorgeous its at the levels with the top in the league. Second Soldier Field is just the name of the stadium, they actually built a new stadium on top of it and just kept the name. People say basically is like a spaceship landed on the old stadium. The Bills stadium if you have ever been to an out of town stadium is dated as heck. The renovations have at least modernized it to make it decent but its far behind in modern amenities. I know everyone is obsessed with tailgating but its also the cause of families not going because of the drunks. You will still have drunks in a new stadium and still have tailgating but you will also have an easier time controlling the rowdiness and families may actually go before kids is 11 years old. You’re bringing it in this thread, Corta. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baskingridgebillsfan Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 1 minute ago, switz1610 said: If you're interested, I have a bridge for sale baskingridge... i give up 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Buffalo Joe Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Living in Houston, where they have a somewhat new stadium, I must say, as nice as NRG is, its kinda bland. I don't hate it. It has more bells and whistles than the Ralph. But nothing unique about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaMilBill Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 They would have to do something with the Sabres too. Pretty sure NFL rule says you can't own a team in different leagues in different cities Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baskingridgebillsfan Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, corta765 said: First off Lambeau went under a massive massive reno that added seat, luxury boxes etc... the stadium is like brand new and gorgeous its at the levels with the top in the league. Second Soldier Field is just the name of the stadium, they actually built a new stadium on top of it and just kept the name. People say basically is like a spaceship landed on the old stadium. The Bills stadium if you have ever been to an out of town stadium is dated as heck. The renovations have at least modernized it to make it decent but its far behind in modern amenities. I know everyone is obsessed with tailgating but its also the cause of families not going because of the drunks. You will still have drunks in a new stadium and still have tailgating but you will also have an easier time controlling the rowdiness and families may actually go before kids is 11 years old. so we need to spend 1.4 billion so kids don't see drunks ? I grew up going to Yankees stadium , they kids will be fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, nucci said: Why do other teams build new stadiums then? I’m pretty $ure I know the an$wer to that one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baskingridgebillsfan Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 1 minute ago, The Real Buffalo Joe said: Living in Houston, where they have a somewhat new stadium, I must say, as nice as NRG is, its kinda bland. I don't hate it. It has more bells and whistles than the Ralph. But nothing unique about it. that kind of the why situation at Met life too. you can get a better snack but i was just as happy watching Bruce in the old place then as the new place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Buffalo Joe Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, corta765 said: First off Lambeau went under a massive massive reno that added seat, luxury boxes etc... the stadium is like brand new and gorgeous its at the levels with the top in the league. Second Soldier Field is just the name of the stadium, they actually built a new stadium on top of it and just kept the name. People say basically is like a spaceship landed on the old stadium. The Bills stadium if you have ever been to an out of town stadium is dated as heck. The renovations have at least modernized it to make it decent but its far behind in modern amenities. I know everyone is obsessed with tailgating but its also the cause of families not going because of the drunks. You will still have drunks in a new stadium and still have tailgating but you will also have an easier time controlling the rowdiness and families may actually go before kids is 11 years old. With a new stadium, tickets are gonna go up to at least $50 per ticket. But yeah, lets do it for the families. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: This is just the opening salvo of a long dance between ownership and the various governmental players. Best not to get too excited or agitated about statements like these - there is a long way to go. In the meantime, Kim should focus on improving the fan experience as well as the product on the field. Bills fans have shelled out hard-earned money for a horrible product for decades, well beyond what most fanbases would’ve put up with. Start winning some games and then maybe there will be a bigger appetite for ticket hikes and even maybe PSLs. 100%. Goes like this: -Openly say new stadium may not feasible -Announce plans how new stadium may be in the works just need to review -Announce stadium officially and plans and how it isn't a bind on the tax payers -Gov. rejects some of the tax plans -Team puts mild threats on viability without new stadium -Both sides behind close doors find a meeting point. This is the most important part because this is where owners can screw over gov if the leadership isn't strong enough to hold ground on the right things (property tax, not allowing over runs in budget, reduction of gov services etc..). The Pegula's don't seem the type that would screw over people royally like Dan Snyder but you still need strong leadership not to give the farm. -New stadium is agreed on and opens in 3 years BOOM! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 There is nothing wrong with the Bills stadium. It’s a waste of tax money to pay for a stadium. They should be discussing this in 20 years, not now. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baskingridgebillsfan Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 1 minute ago, Augie said: I’m pretty $ure I know the an$wer to that one! of course but she is protecting the fans by not building one. Keeping the cost down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaMilBill Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 It's a shame stadiums have to be nice now. The Ralph is great for watching football. I could care less about all the other amenities. I guess most people need more than just football at games now#firstworldproblems 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninSB Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 7 minutes ago, corta765 said: Naw its part of the political ploy to get money state wise. They start off making overtures like this that gather public support and then announce their plans etc.. And with due respect the Chargers matter squat to their area compared to the Bills in Buffalo. The people in SD had zero issue not approving the stadium plans. The City no but they could have been successful with the County. He wanted a downtown stadium or nothing at all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: You’re bringing it in this thread, Corta. Thanks. I study stadium deals and creation unhealthy but I find them fascinating. This is the perfect time for the Bills to start the game given the lease is up in 6 years. I expect a new stadium announced at some point in 2019. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Buffalo Joe Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Just now, baskingridgebillsfan said: that kind of the why situation at Met life too. you can get a better snack but i was just as happy watching Bruce in the old place then as the new place I do all my eating and drinking while tailgating. Might get a popcorn and a coke or something inside. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sir andrew Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 I think they are going to explore the possibility of making conference/convention center for the city as well. That way the county and state would be chipping in. How much they are willing to chip in is anyone's guess. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Buffalo Joe Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 1 minute ago, VaMilBill said: It's a shame stadiums have to be nice now. The Ralph is great for watching football. I could care less about all the other amenities. I guess most people need more than just football at games now#firstworldproblems Its one of the few stadiums left, (Lambeau, and Arrowhead to name a few) that cater to the everyday fan. Newer stadiums are built for corporate boxes, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 1 minute ago, The Real Buffalo Joe said: With a new stadium, tickets are gonna go up to at least $50 per ticket. But yeah, lets do it for the families. That's not true It truthfully depends on the type of stadium. If the Bills do a mix of SEA/PIT/DET/IND its about 400-500 million which won't kill ticket prices. You are correct if they do a Vikings/Falcons type billion dollar project. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baskingridgebillsfan Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 6 minutes ago, joesixpack said: Again, I feel like you're going full Mayberry here. These are billionaires we're talking about here. Hey, you could be right. This could all be philanthropy of a sort. All I'm saying is I kinda doubt it. With the sale of the Panthers yesterday their investment has already gone way up. They don't need a stadium that nobody wants to pay for Just now, corta765 said: That's not true It truthfully depends on the type of stadium. If the Bills do a mix of SEA/PIT/DET/IND its about 400-500 million which won't kill ticket prices. You are correct if they do a Vikings/Falcons type billion dollar project. 500 million seems light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Just now, baskingridgebillsfan said: With the sale of the Panthers yesterday their investment has already gone way up. They don't need a stadium that nobody wants to pay for It's not exactly liquid cash, though, is it? Can't take an ATM card to a machine and withdraw a billion dollars of team value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Buffalo Joe Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Just now, corta765 said: That's not true It truthfully depends on the type of stadium. If the Bills do a mix of SEA/PIT/DET/IND its about 400-500 million which won't kill ticket prices. You are correct if they do a Vikings/Falcons type billion dollar project. I don't see another outdoor stadium being built. If they do, it'll be a multipurpose domed/retractable roof stadium, designed to attract a Super Bowl, College Bowl games, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, VaMilBill said: It's a shame stadiums have to be nice now. The Ralph is great for watching football. I could care less about all the other amenities. I guess most people need more than just football at games now#firstworldproblems Sports stadiums are now about the experience the whole time. I understand the tailgating I love doing it myself, but a lot of teams want the groups on parties and development that is there own for money or just people to be at. If your the Bills whats more lucrative having the majority of your fans just tailgate OR say 45% tailgate while more families and groups of people enjoy things hosted by the team that brings in revenue. That is everything in a nutshell. If it was just about watching football your 100% accurate the Ralph has been rated the best site lines in the game straight up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baskingridgebillsfan Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, The Real Buffalo Joe said: I do all my eating and drinking while tailgating. Might get a popcorn and a coke or something inside. 1 minute ago, joesixpack said: It's not exactly liquid cash, though, is it? Can't take an ATM card to a machine and withdraw a billion dollars of team value. no but you can borrow against it so it is easy to make it liquid. Plus i don't think you have to worry about the pegs needing cash on hand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 5 minutes ago, baskingridgebillsfan said: of course but she is protecting the fans by not building one. Keeping the cost down She is saying exactly what she is saying, I think. She’s not sure if they can get there. They are considering it and looking at options. I seriously don’t think it has anything to do with actually moving the team, despite the leap some others have made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 1 minute ago, baskingridgebillsfan said: no but you can borrow against it so it is easy to make it liquid. Plus i don't think you have to worry about the pegs needing cash on hand She just said they don't have the money laying around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Oh where is Chuck Schumer ??????? He will be jumping on this shortly. Just watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Just now, bmur66 said: Oh where is Chuck Schumer ??????? He will be jumping on this shortly. Just watch. He's busy getting his MS-13 face tattoos 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 9 minutes ago, baskingridgebillsfan said: so we need to spend 1.4 billion so kids don't see drunks ? I grew up going to Yankees stadium , they kids will be fine No you spend 1.4 billion because instead of drunks tailgating spending no money in your stadium, you have families spending $100-200 apiece on your development with the stadium. Read up on the Atlanta Braves stadium/city they basically built. Teams want you there all day and night to spend money its not just the game in the least anymore in fact that's the last thing. A new stadium that non football season allows tours, a team experience, shopping, restaurants etc.. is a ton of money. Pegula is friends with Robert Kraft and loves patriot place which is exactly that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 8 minutes ago, billspro said: There is nothing wrong with the Bills stadium. It’s a waste of tax money to pay for a stadium. They should be discussing this in 20 years, not now. I wouldn't go that far - have you ever looked under the upper deck? It's all rusting and cracking, definitely needs some love. That said, this can only mean #HammersLotForEver !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, bmur66 said: Oh where is Chuck Schumer ??????? He will be jumping on this shortly. Just watch. I'm sure he will. He could always offer up some of the NYS Toll money that they use to not fix the thruway roads. Edited May 23, 2018 by The Wiz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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707BillsFan Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 28 minutes ago, joesixpack said: You'd think if they updated soldier field and Lambeau it could be done. I'm not sure the Pegulas are feeling that, however. Just toured Soldier...that is not a redo, that's a whole new stadium inside the walls of the old stadium. Ugly as sin! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 36 minutes ago, BillsfaninSB said: Sounds like the baby steps of moving the team. Saw the same thing with Chargers (I live in Southern California). Spanos kept saying it can’t be done even though he had options. His option A was too lofty to achieve and decided to go. Planned failure with built in excuse to leave. OMFG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 43 minutes ago, Augie said: I know this is a very polarizing topic, and the funny thing is I don’t care very much. I love going to games at the Ralph, and I’d be fine with a new stadium. I’m just glad they are still in WNY. The problem is it isn't so old as to be historical, vintage, and cool, like Wrigley Field or Fenway. But it certainly isn't modern and comfortable either. It's just old and ****ty. Honestly though, what they do with the stadium bothers me about as much as our 2018 NFL Draft baseball caps. It's not a big deal one way or the other. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 6 minutes ago, The Real Buffalo Joe said: I don't see another outdoor stadium being built. If they do, it'll be a multipurpose domed/retractable roof stadium, designed to attract a Super Bowl, College Bowl games, etc. Neither do I was just using the cost figure more than anything. I would an expect an indoor dome or glass thingy like Minnesota. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 23, 2018 Author Share Posted May 23, 2018 Just now, The Wiz said: I'm sure he will. He could always offer up some of the NYS Toll money that they use to no fix the thruway roads. Maybe NYS allocates gambling revenues towards a new stadium after they implement a sports betting law. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Here’s the heart of the matter. The $600 million dollar question, if you will. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 41 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said: There’s plenty wrong with it. Signed, 2018. And Jay_Fixit will pay for it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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