77% were wrong believing our HC wouldn't be fooled by the mirage of preseason, but the Allen Era begins week 2!

[SouthNYfan]

On 5/22/2018 at 4:30 AM, Seanbillsfan2206 said:

If Peterman is starting week 1 then we’re in a lot of trouble this season. The only way I see him starting is if AJ and Josh are both out

 

Or if McDermott lost a bet ??

[fridge]

20 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

I think it's McCarron's job to lose, but I also think Peterman is going to light it up in camp and he'll get a look as a week one starter with McCarron coming in week 2. 

 

I think Peterman will likely not get the reps to win a camp battle and emerge as a week 1 starter, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if he made significant strides and became a legitimate back-up QB.

[transplantbillsfan]

On 5/22/2018 at 7:44 AM, ShadyBillsFan said:

 

I still say that McDermott had his hands tied with 4 of 5 bad games with TT under center and he felt he had to do something.  And as stated McDermott didn’t hesitate to correct his error.  

 

You would say wrong, pretty clearly. 

 

Unless you're an idiot, you can't find 4 bad games for Taylor in the stretch of Cincy, Tampa, Oakland, NYJ and NO.

 

You're probably one of the guys spending time in the Taylor hate thread right now. Pretty sad. Just let go.

 

 

I still say that, as reported from sources within, McDermott had his hands tied by Dennison, who wanted Taylor benched because he believed (incorrectly, obviously) that Peterman would be better in his offense.

On 5/22/2018 at 5:39 PM, Lfod said:

Well if the guy was right a lot Tyrod will still be in discussion for the Bills starting role and this would be a thread about that. 

 

Edited June 14, 2018 by transplantbillsfan

[transplantbillsfan]

7 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

The best guy will start.  The best guy will be McCarron

 

Might be.

 

Might not.

 

I think, as of right now, the best guy will start, too, but it's not McCarron.

 

I think those 4 years on the bench in a completely different offense with  3 NFL starts and about 130 meaningful NFL pass attempts aren't going to give him the leg up on the guy who's more talented as a QB, bigger, more athletic and smarter that you think it will.

[SouthNYfan]

I think mccarron will start because they don't want to kill Allen early on, our first few games are brutal defenses.

Unless Allen looks like a pro bowl player from the get go in preseason, AND the oline looks like it clicks immediately when all the new faces (which I don't see happening), I don't see him starting early on.

[That_Guy]

AJ - 65%

JA - 33%

NP - 2%

[transplantbillsfan]

On ‎5‎/‎22‎/‎2018 at 11:27 PM, billsredneck1 said:

Marvin Lewis was never going to allow a QB competition. Dalton is their franchise guy. Those who claim he couldn't beat out Dalton are just showing ignorance...

..

 

It seems pretty ignorant to imply the guy with 4 starts and 170 passing attempts would have beaten out the guy with 113 starts and 3,700 passing attempts had the Head Coach made it an open competition.

 

Andy Dalton's not a great QB... he's what I would say is a borderline Franchise QB, but looking at what that Franchise was before he arrived and then 5 consecutive playoff appearances once he arrived combined with an incredibly limited sample size from McCarron, it's bordering on foolish to insinuate that McCarron would have beaten Dalton out if Marvin Lewis just let him try.

[mead107]

Can we hope we get cam?????

[Lfod]

20 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Fair enough... I understand your position, I just think you're being too absolute about a situation that started unfolding 2 days ago.

 

Maybe you're setting the bar as low as possible so as not to be disappointed. Maybe you legitimately think Allen will need that time to adjust despite the fact that the other rookie 1st round QBs recently haven't because Allen is significantly more raw.

 

But wouldn't it be more refreshing to see Allen win the QB competition and then start the season in those first 4 games you're afraid to throw him in?

 

Of course you're going to say something like "yes, but I don't think that's going to happen."

 

And that's fine. I just think there's a better chance of that happening than you do. And all my feelings are subject to change as we see how the Summer unfolds.

Yea it's true I really don't think it will happen. Not the part about Allen being the best QB out of camp. Just the part about him starting. My opinion isn't fact and I know that. 

 

Yes it would be more refreshing to see Allen win the job and start the season. I've given my reasons I feel I want them to be cautious because the value of investment and the reputations on the line. I don't have to be right about it. I just would be frustrated if they did start him and it was the wrong move and he ends up with a season ending injury or they pull him for AJ is all. 

[transplantbillsfan]

This kinda stuff from Fairburn excites me!!!

 

Josh Allen's day

Josh Allen was the most impressive quarterback on the field Thursday. By my count, he attempted to 21 passes and only three hit the ground. Some were of the shorter variety, but Allen was ripping some deeper throws as well. He hit Austin Proehl on an impressive throw to the sideline outside the numbers. His two touchdowns were the highlights, though. Allen ripped an in-breaking route over a defender and into the hands of fellow rookie Ray-Ray McCloud for a touchdown. Later in practice, he hit Travaris Cadet in the end zone for a back-shoulder touchdown. If the idea of putting him with the third team was to build his confidence. it might be working.

 

Yes yes yes yes... I understand it's just OTAs

[billsredneck1]

11 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

It seems pretty ignorant to imply the guy with 4 starts and 170 passing attempts would have beaten out the guy with 113 starts and 3,700 passing attempts had the Head Coach made it an open competition.

 

Andy Dalton's not a great QB... he's what I would say is a borderline Franchise QB, but looking at what that Franchise was before he arrived and then 5 consecutive playoff appearances once he arrived combined with an incredibly limited sample size from McCarron, it's bordering on foolish to insinuate that McCarron would have beaten Dalton out if Marvin Lewis just let him try.

The point that I was trying to make is that there was never going to be a competition at QB with that staff yet some put a.j. down saying he couldn't beat out Dalton.

 

[transplantbillsfan]

Now this is the kinda mentality I Love!

http://www.wivb.com/sports/inside-the-buffalo-huddle/allen-excited-to-compete-against-bills-secondary/1199109623#

Allen excited to compete against Bills secondary

“They’re jumping on balls now. We’ve got guys that are fantastic players -- Micah Hyde, [Jordan] Poyer, and then you’ve got a vet like Vontae Davis out there and he’s pushing our receivers to be better and making sure that, as quarterbacks, we’re putting the ball where it needs to be.

 

“Iron sharpens iron.  That’s kind of the mindset that, when you’re practicing, you should have. You should be able to look across to the guy next to you and the guy that you’re competing with and say, ‘I’m going to make you better, you’re going to make me better’ and go at it like that.”

Edited May 26, 2018 by transplantbillsfan

[Fadingpain]

It's ridiculously too early to make this type of prediction, but I'll go ahead and pick Allen.

 

I think they want him to play right away and it shouldn't be too hard for him to make the other 2 QBs look bad in training camp/pre-season games.

 

The whole thing will be couched in terms of an "open competition" with no No. 1 etc...but they have their guy and they want the starter to be Allen.

 

It will be sold as Allen giving the team the best chance to win rolling into Week 1.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[transplantbillsfan]

14 hours ago, Fadingpain said:

It's ridiculously too early to make this type of prediction, but I'll go ahead and pick Allen.

 

I think they want him to play right away and it shouldn't be too hard for him to make the other 2 QBs look bad in training camp/pre-season games.

 

The whole thing will be couched in terms of an "open competition" with no No. 1 etc...but they have their guy and they want the starter to be Allen.

 

It will be sold as Allen giving the team the best chance to win rolling into Week 1.

 

Agreed. And I know it's way too early, but that's what makes it fun

 

If we started predictions after preseason game 1 or something and everyone predicted Allen because Allen looked better for the entire Summer, it's no longer really a prediction, more of a "Thanks Captain Obvious" statement.

[billsredneck1]

On 5/23/2018 at 11:42 PM, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Fair enough... I understand your position, I just think you're being too absolute about a situation that started unfolding 2 days ago.

 

Maybe you're setting the bar as low as possible so as not to be disappointed. Maybe you legitimately think Allen will need that time to adjust despite the fact that the other rookie 1st round QBs recently haven't because Allen is significantly more raw.

 

But wouldn't it be more refreshing to see Allen win the QB competition and then start the season in those first 4 games you're afraid to throw him in? 

 

Of course you're going to say something like "yes, but I don't think that's going to happen."

 

And that's fine. I just think there's a better chance of that happening than you do. And all my feelings are subject to change as we see how the Summer unfolds.

on the road in balt. and then against the chargers?....oh hell no

[transplantbillsfan]

1 hour ago, billsredneck1 said:

on the road in balt. and then against the chargers?....oh hell no

 

Well you should just find a way to get McDermott to bubble wrap Allen for a couple years I guess so he doesn't have to be traumatized by an NFL defense and can really shine in 2020

Edited May 27, 2018 by transplantbillsfan

[ColoradoBills]

1 hour ago, billsredneck1 said:

on the road in balt. and then against the chargers?....oh hell no

 

10 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Well you should just find a way to get McDermott to bubble wrap Allen for a few years I guess so he doesn't have to be traumatized by an NFL defense and can really shine in 2020

 

How do you equate having Josh Allen avoid starting the 1st 4 games (which I agree with) and having him "bubble wrapped" for a few (means more than 2) years?

You are getting  close to "crusade" mode with your reasoning.

 

Nothing Josh Allen will face in Training Camp or Preseason will come close to what he would see from the Raven and Charger defenses those

first 2 weeks.

[Figster]

Voted McCarron,

 

McCarron seems like the wisest choice in my humble opinion.

 

On the other hand I could see and thoroughly enjoy a scenario where Allen just looks so impressive it causes McD and Co. to consider giving Josh Allen the start.

[transplantbillsfan]

38 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

 

How do you equate having Josh Allen avoid starting the 1st 4 games (which I agree with) and having him "bubble wrapped" for a few (means more than 2) years?

You are getting  close to "crusade" mode with your reasoning.

 

Nothing Josh Allen will face in Training Camp or Preseason will come close to what he would see from the Raven and Charger defenses those

first 2 weeks.

 

So keep the NFL QB away from the NFL defenses?

 

If Allen isn't ready or isn't the winner of the QB competition, don't play him.

 

But the notion that we just have to keep him away from the big bad Ravens and Chargers so that we can ease him into seeing an NFL defense no matter how much he impresses in the offseason is just silly.

[reddogblitz]

I'm just gonna wait til 2 or 3 pre seAson games to make any type of evaluation.

[transplantbillsfan]

42 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

I'm just gonna wait til 2 or 3 pre seAson games to make any type of evaluation.

 

That's smart.

 

But what's your prediction?

[cd1]

1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

So keep the NFL QB away from the NFL defenses?

 

If Allen isn't ready or isn't the winner of the QB competition, don't play him.

 

But the notion that we just have to keep him away from the big bad Ravens and Chargers so that we can ease him into seeing an NFL defense no matter how much he impresses in the offseason is just silly.

I can appreciate that your are "having fun" but you are bordering on trolling.

 

We have a NEW OC a very new mix on our O line.  THIS could be disasterous for a rookie with no real NFL experience.

 

Laugh it off all you want but I believe there have been QBs injured in thier rookie years and THAT injury resulted in them "playing scared" and ruined any potential they may have had.

 

I believe that a great many here who are calling to hold Allen out for a bit, are everybit as excited about his prospect (I know I am ).

 

BUT BUT BUT are worried that throwing him in there behind and untested offensive line and ALL of the offense inexperienced with the new playbook COULD be a recipe for disaster!

 

Personally, I do NOT want Allen starting until Daboll has a chance to get his feet wet with his NEW TEAM. 

[njbuff]

If there was this super-experienced QB on the roster, I'd say that Allen would be sitting for awhile.

 

But since the other two QB's are almost as inexperienced as Allen, it is a good bet that Allen will win the job right out of camp.

 

Allen will show considerably more talent than the other two QB's combined, so Allen will be starting from week one.

[3rdand12]

On 5/22/2018 at 6:47 AM, eball said:

 

Let's evaluate this statement.  Why is McCarron the de facto starter?  Because of his four games of NFL experience?  Because he played lights out?  Because he was a highly rated draft pick?  The guy won a battle to become a free agent this offseason and then sat and watched every other free agent QB sign a big deal.  He's getting paid peanuts (relatively speaking) by the Bills.  He is a safety net, not the guy the Bills hope is starting.

 

If the #7 pick in the draft shows during OTAs and training camp that he grasps the offense the Bills would be fools for not letting him take the reins from the get-go.

I have to make a suggestion here.

If Bills do NOT feel the rest of the Offense is where they wish it to be yet , then they might want to let him learn awhile.
At least not let   Allen killed or mentally and emotionally derailed.

Allen might well be the best QB in the room at the end of Preseason.

 

to me it's a tough call right now.

 Wrs and O line look pretty darned weak right now... to me at least.

[3rdand12]

On 5/23/2018 at 5:27 AM, billsredneck1 said:

Marvin Lewis was never going to allow a QB competition. Dalton is their franchise guy. Those who claim he couldn't beat out Dalton are just showing ignorance...

..

 

This is also my opinion

[Augie]

51 minutes ago, njbuff said:

If there was this super-experienced QB on the roster, I'd say that Allen would be sitting for awhile.

 

But since the other two QB's are almost as inexperienced as Allen, it is a good bet that Allen will win the job right out of camp.

 

Allen will show considerably more talent than the other two QB's combined, so Allen will be starting from week one.

 

Despite not having a ton of playing time, AJ has had a few years of being a pro on the sidelines and in the meeting rooms. He’s already had that time that some wish for Allen to sit and learn. That said, there’s zero question who has more innate talent. If AJ were to look Rob Johnson-esque and get us a sweet draft pick in return, that would be the dream outcome! 

[Warcodered]

1 hour ago, cd1 said:

I can appreciate that your are "having fun" but you are bordering on trolling.

 

We have a NEW OC a very new mix on our O line.  THIS could be disasterous for a rookie with no real NFL experience.

 

Laugh it off all you want but I believe there have been QBs injured in thier rookie years and THAT injury resulted in them "playing scared" and ruined any potential they may have had.

 

I believe that a great many here who are calling to hold Allen out for a bit, are everybit as excited about his prospect (I know I am ).

 

BUT BUT BUT are worried that throwing him in there behind and untested offensive line and ALL of the offense inexperienced with the new playbook COULD be a recipe for disaster!

 

Personally, I do NOT want Allen starting until Daboll has a chance to get his feet wet with his NEW TEAM. 

I don't know if Allen would play scared if he got injured in his rookie year I mean he didn't at UW. Broke his collar bone in his first start was out the rest of the season and came back and lit it up the next.

[cd1]

20 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

I don't know if Allen would play scared if he got injured in his rookie year I mean he didn't at UW. Broke his collar bone in his first start was out the rest of the season and came back and lit it up the next.

 

It is not the getting injured part. It is how they got injured and by who.

 

Allen has already commented on just how different the NFL level players play.  They read the play faster yada yada...

 

Lets not forget to mention the SIZE of NFL players. Example Gronk on Tre White.  

I am not saying he will never get hurt because he will. Just not right out of the shoot for some dumb rookie move like sliding head first.   

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

2 hours ago, cd1 said:

I can appreciate that your are "having fun" but you are bordering on trolling.

 

We have a NEW OC a very new mix on our O line.  THIS could be disasterous for a rookie with no real NFL experience.

 

Laugh it off all you want but I believe there have been QBs injured in thier rookie years and THAT injury resulted in them "playing scared" and ruined any potential they may have had.

 

I believe that a great many here who are calling to hold Allen out for a bit, are everybit as excited about his prospect (I know I am ).

 

BUT BUT BUT are worried that throwing him in there behind and untested offensive line and ALL of the offense inexperienced with the new playbook COULD be a recipe for disaster!

 

Personally, I do NOT want Allen starting until Daboll has a chance to get his feet wet with his NEW TEAM. 

 trans thinks he’s humorous with his little quips and cute little  insults.  

 

It gets to a point every few months I have to put him back on the ignore list just so I don’t have to argue over the silliness.  

 

 

To your point we can cite a number of Bills QBs that have been “ruined”. 

 

Trent Edwards was pummeled and lost confidence imo 

  

Edited May 27, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan

[transplantbillsfan]

2 hours ago, cd1 said:

I can appreciate that your are "having fun" but you are bordering on trolling.

 

We have a NEW OC a very new mix on our O line.  THIS could be disasterous for a rookie with no real NFL experience.

 

Laugh it off all you want but I believe there have been QBs injured in thier rookie years and THAT injury resulted in them "playing scared" and ruined any potential they may have had.

 

I believe that a great many here who are calling to hold Allen out for a bit, are everybit as excited about his prospect (I know I am ).

 

BUT BUT BUT are worried that throwing him in there behind and untested offensive line and ALL of the offense inexperienced with the new playbook COULD be a recipe for disaster!

 

Personally, I do NOT want Allen starting until Daboll has a chance to get his feet wet with his NEW TEAM. 

 

Definitely NOT trolling OR trying to have fun at the expense of others.

[Domdab99]

Call me crazy, but I start the guy who wins the job. Don’t care which teams are on the schedule. You can’t predict who is going to be good and who isn’t - look at the teams we beat last year. 

 

Start the kid if he’s the best QB in camp. As Allen says, iron sharpens iron.

[transplantbillsfan]

2 hours ago, Domdab99 said:

Call me crazy, but I start the guy who wins the job. Don’t care which teams are on the schedule. You can’t predict who is going to be good and who isn’t - look at the teams we beat last year. 

 

Start the kid if he’s the best QB in camp. As Allen says, iron sharpens iron.

 

This

 

should 

 

be 

 

OBVIOUS!!!

 

It's weird because a couple posters seem to be twisting my words so that I believe Allen should start no matter what and that, in fact, couldn't be further from the truth.

 

I believe McDermott (not Joe Shmoe TBD message board guy) should make the decision to start the guy McDermott (not Joe Shmoe TBD message board guy) watches every day this offseason through OTAs/Minicamp/Training Camp/Preseason on the team McDermott (not Joe Shmoe TBD message board guy) knows the ins and outs of in terms of weaknesses by position and has coached for a year and will be coaching this year ONLY IF HE FEELS JOSH ALLEN

 

1) Wins the QB competition 

 

2) Gives the team the best opportunity to win

 

3) Won't get destroyed in his rookie year physically, mentally or emotionally due to an unmitigated lack of sufficient NFL talent surrounding him

 

If those 3 benchmarks aren't met, I don't think McDermott will start Allen and I don't think he should. 

 

But the fact that the biggest argument for not starting him and keeping him on the bench is #3 is, to me, pretty revealing, because I think #3 is the least likely to be the deciding factor.

 

Seems a lot of the people who voted "McCarron" also believe Allen will be the best QB this offseason, but our OL and WRs suck too much.

 

I think our WRs are already better than last year just with a healthy Benjamin and our OL simply swapped Wood and Incognito for Groy and Bodine. Considering how much there have already been undercurrents among fans to see Groy replace Wood and Bodine is an NFL starter, plus John Miller and the 5th round G we drafted from Iowa along with an improved Dawkins... I think our OL very well might improve significantly from last year.

 

But Allen is mobile and elusive, anyway, which might be better for an average OL.

 

But these are McDermott's decisions to make, not Joe Shmoe TBD message board guy.

 

 

Personally, I just believe McDermott (not Joe Shmoe TBD message board guy), being the guy who will be watching Allen compete in practice against one QB who he watched last year be one of the worst QBs in the history of the NFL for his 1st start and end the season with one of the worst noodle-armed passes I've ever seen and another QB who has 4 career starts and 170 NFL passes who Beane and McDermott thought so highly of they waited until day 3 of Free Agency to sign him and fill a position they were clearly bent on upgrading on in the draft, will watch those 2 guys fall short and Allen will be the clear winner.

 

That's all. That's actually how I feel. It's not me trolling or having a laugh, as someone accused me of earlier.

[ColoradoBills]

9 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

So keep the NFL QB away from the NFL defenses?

 

If Allen isn't ready or isn't the winner of the QB competition, don't play him.

 

But the notion that we just have to keep him away from the big bad Ravens and Chargers so that we can ease him into seeing an NFL defense no matter how much he impresses in the offseason is just silly.

 

If you're willing transplant let's look at the highlighted above, the QB competition.

 

Do you agree that Daboll probably should have a QB picked as the starter no later than the 3rd Preseason game against the Bengals?

 

That is typical in the NFL.  The 3rd preseason game is a dress rehearsal for the season.  Most teams do this because the 4th and

final preseason game is usually played by the players looking to try to make the team.  Starters are usually sat to avoid injuries and IF

a few 1st stringers are played it is usually for only a series, 2 at the most.

[transplantbillsfan]

9 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

If you're willing transplant let's look at the highlighted above, the QB competition.

 

Do you agree that Daboll probably should have a QB picked as the starter no later than the 3rd Preseason game against the Bengals?

 

That is typical in the NFL.  The 3rd preseason game is a dress rehearsal for the season.  Most teams do this because the 4th and

final preseason game is usually played by the players looking to try to make the team.  Starters are usually sat to avoid injuries and IF

a few 1st stringers are played it is usually for only a series, 2 at the most.

 

And...? What point are you trying to make?

[ColoradoBills]

3 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

And...? What point are you trying to make?

 

I'm trying to look at it from Daboll's point of view, not my opinion (or even yours).  I think as a new OC with a ton of things he has to do to prepare for the

season opener against the Ravens, he would want to know who his "presumed" starter will be to begin game planning.

 

So, does he want to know by the 3rd preseason game?

[transplantbillsfan]

44 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

I'm trying to look at it from Daboll's point of view, not my opinion (or even yours).  I think as a new OC with a ton of things he has to do to prepare for the

season opener against the Ravens, he would want to know who his "presumed" starter will be to begin game planning.

 

So, does he want to know by the 3rd preseason game?

 

Okay... so is this you trying to say they've already chosen McCarron as the starter in order to "get ahead?"

 

Not trying to be a jerk, I'm just missing your point. 

 

Dabol said he has a plan for Allen, maybe that entails Allen starting right away

[Warcodered]

1 hour ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

I'm trying to look at it from Daboll's point of view, not my opinion (or even yours).  I think as a new OC with a ton of things he has to do to prepare for the

season opener against the Ravens, he would want to know who his "presumed" starter will be to begin game planning.

 

So, does he want to know by the 3rd preseason game?

Realistically you'd want to know who the starter is as soon as possible. But given that they're all learning a new system you'd probably want to give them some time to figure it out first. By the third preseason game you'd probably know the starter or have a pretty damn good idea.

[Putin]

On 5/22/2018 at 3:30 AM, Seanbillsfan2206 said:

If Peterman is starting week 1 then we’re in a lot of trouble this season. The only way I see him starting is if AJ and Josh are both out

So you say there is a chance?

[Seanbillsfan2206]

56 minutes ago, Putin said:

So you say there is a chance?

Not good like 1 out of 100?

[Thurman#1]

1. McCarron, maybe 75%
2. Peterman, maybe 20%
3. Allen, in case of injury or near-inhuman amounts of improvement

Edited May 28, 2018 by Thurman#1