eball Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 3 hours ago, whatdrought said: I hope it's not related to drugs. I want to see this kid succeed. Aside from simply possessing an admirable benevolence towards mankind, may I ask why? It seems to me this idiot has had many chances to do the right thing... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 League sources told ESPN's Adam Schefter that Gordon is seeking additional counseling before camp opens to deal with his mental health and anxiety. The wide receiver has said that he typically used alcohol or marijuana when he was anxious, something he cannot do without another violation of the NFL's substance abuse policy. Gordon has regularly been in touch with his counselors and was told to take the extra time in a proactive move, sources said. http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/24174029/josh-gordon-miss-start-cleveland-browns-training-camp-cites-health-treatment-plan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leonbus23 Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 1 hour ago, eball said: Aside from simply possessing an admirable benevolence towards mankind, may I ask why? It seems to me this idiot has had many chances to do the right thing... I think you answered your own question. Many factors in play. Race, class, mental health, education, addiction, family and community, etc. Gordon began his life with all of these factors on the low end of the spectrum or stacked against him. I'd call him an idiot if he was raised by a doctor and a professor in La Jolla, CA with a maid, tutors, access to health care, regular healthy meals, white, etc. and he still screwed up repeatedly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 Gordon is why the NFL will never take weed off the banned substance list. He says he smoke and/or drank before EVERY GAME HE PLAYED. That's what they fear most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfod Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 (edited) Will the Browns still be amazing guys? 19 minutes ago, leonbus23 said: I think you answered your own question. Many factors in play. Race, class, mental health, education, addiction, family and community, etc. Gordon began his life with all of these factors on the low end of the spectrum or stacked against him. I'd call him an idiot if he was raised by a doctor and a professor in La Jolla, CA with a maid, tutors, access to health care, regular healthy meals, white, etc. and he still screwed up repeatedly. Ultimately everyone lives with the choices they make despite the list of factors. I don't want to waste my life blaming the cards I have been dealt. Have to make it work regardless. Edited July 23, 2018 by Lfod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 I wish I had the talent and opportunity that Josh Gordon had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 27 minutes ago, Lfod said: Will the Browns still be amazing guys? Ultimately everyone lives with the choices they make despite the list of factors. I don't want to waste my life blaming the cards I have been dealt. Have to make it work regardless. The interesting question is would you have the same mindset if you were dealt a different hand of cards. Impossible to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfod Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 22 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: The interesting question is would you have the same mindset if you were dealt a different hand of cards. Impossible to say. I won't deny that some people are born into a disadvantage. In extreme cases some people are born into a nightmare. People can and do over come that extreme adversity and I respect it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 8 hours ago, eball said: Aside from simply possessing an admirable benevolence towards mankind, may I ask why? It seems to me this idiot has had many chances to do the right thing... Basic benevolance as you said, but also for selfish reasons wanting to see what he’s capable of when truly developed. He looks like a generational talent who would easily be the best in the league (has the skill to be the best ever) if he could just get it together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 13 hours ago, Doc Brown said: The interesting question is would you have the same mindset if you were dealt a different hand of cards. Impossible to say. No one cares about excuses. Many are forgotten. No one is special Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted July 24, 2018 Author Share Posted July 24, 2018 Per Tony Grossi, he’s had recent court dates for child support that he can’t pay because he has no income (only gets game checks) and it’s leading to anxiety that he can’t cope with without drugs/alcohol. He knows this is his last chance and is afraid to relapse and fail a test. He said this happened last time he was taken to court over child support, when he was reinstated conditionally with the 4game suspension and then decided to just go to rehab. He’s back in rehab now. Typically an agent would front money in this situation but he says he doesn’t have one right now (not sure if true) because he’s been dropped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 15 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Gordon is why the NFL will never take weed off the banned substance list. He says he smoke and/or drank before EVERY GAME HE PLAYED. That's what they fear most. The league is without a doubt leaning toward being more permissive toward weed, not less. As more states make it legal there will be fewer reasons to be stricter on this particular issue. It is widely accepted that weed is not a performance enhancing drug compared to drugs that do actually enhance performance, such as steroids and growth hormone drugs (HGH). The stance the league is taking toward this drug is changing to being more permissive. The league and the union have been negotiating to finding a common ground moving toward being more lenient than more strict on this issue. The NBA doesn't include testing for weed in its drug protocol. It hasn't hurt the popularity of the league. Whether one's feelings are pro or con towards weed society is inexorably moving toward being more accepting of it. http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/10927282/renegotiation-nfl-drug-policy-reduce-marijuana-punishments 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 I'm definitely interested in this. Good choice by HBO, should be entertaining. I always wished the Bills would be on this show. It couldnt have made them any worse over the last 15 years, and we'd finally get a glimpse into how the franchise operates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 15 minutes ago, JohnC said: The league is without a doubt leaning toward being more permissive toward weed, not less. As more states make it legal there will be fewer reasons to be stricter on this particular issue. It is widely accepted that weed is not a performance enhancing drug compared to drugs that do actually enhance performance, such as steroids and growth hormone drugs (HGH). The stance the league is taking toward this drug is changing to being more permissive. The league and the union have been negotiating to finding a common ground moving toward being more lenient than more strict on this issue. The NBA doesn't include testing for weed in its drug protocol. It hasn't hurt the popularity of the league. Whether one's feelings are pro or con towards weed society is inexorably moving toward being more accepting of it. http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/10927282/renegotiation-nfl-drug-policy-reduce-marijuana-punishments I'm certainly not arguing against what you are saying about the benefits of medicinal MJ. But the league is not more permissive than when that article was written 4 years ago. They may be "looking into it", but that's it. As I said, I bet owners are fearful that players will be playing intoxicated, as Gordon always was (and as he says lots of other players are as well). With the move towards more contracts having a higher percentage of money guaranteed, owners won't want the possibility that more of their huge investments (player contracts) would be at risk of injury because players may be under the influence while playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: Per Tony Grossi, he’s had recent court dates for child support that he can’t pay because he has no income (only gets game checks) and it’s leading to anxiety that he can’t cope with without drugs/alcohol. He knows this is his last chance and is afraid to relapse and fail a test. He said this happened last time he was taken to court over child support, when he was reinstated conditionally with the 4game suspension and then decided to just go to rehab. He’s back in rehab now. Typically an agent would front money in this situation but he says he doesn’t have one right now (not sure if true) because he’s been dropped. I usually think people who have screwed themselves like Gordon has, I don't really care for. However, with Gordon, it seems that he's being genuine in really wanting to change and is battling through the struggles. I'm pulling for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Per Tony Grossi, he’s had recent court dates for child support that he can’t pay because he has no income (only gets game checks) and it’s leading to anxiety that he can’t cope with without drugs/alcohol. He knows this is his last chance and is afraid to relapse and fail a test. He said this happened last time he was taken to court over child support, when he was reinstated conditionally with the 4game suspension and then decided to just go to rehab. He’s back in rehab now. Typically an agent would front money in this situation but he says he doesn’t have one right now (not sure if true) because he’s been dropped. He's been paid millions since he got into the league. Shouldn't need new income to pay child support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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YoloinOhio Posted July 25, 2018 Author Share Posted July 25, 2018 (edited) Hue said they have had no contact with Gordon at all since his tweet. His tweet message was to the team as well as the fans and they never talked to him. Edited July 25, 2018 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 On 7/23/2018 at 10:54 PM, whatdrought said: Basic benevolance as you said, but also for selfish reasons wanting to see what he’s capable of when truly developed. He looks like a generational talent who would easily be the best in the league (has the skill to be the best ever) if he could just get it together. That's a huge stretch. He had one good season. That's all. On 7/24/2018 at 7:57 AM, JohnC said: The league is without a doubt leaning toward being more permissive toward weed, not less. As more states make it legal there will be fewer reasons to be stricter on this particular issue. It is widely accepted that weed is not a performance enhancing drug compared to drugs that do actually enhance performance, such as steroids and growth hormone drugs (HGH). The stance the league is taking toward this drug is changing to being more permissive. The league and the union have been negotiating to finding a common ground moving toward being more lenient than more strict on this issue. The NBA doesn't include testing for weed in its drug protocol. It hasn't hurt the popularity of the league. Whether one's feelings are pro or con towards weed society is inexorably moving toward being more accepting of it. http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/10927282/renegotiation-nfl-drug-policy-reduce-marijuana-punishments Weed is still banned at the federal level. Until that changes I doubt the league will change its policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, MJS said: That's a huge stretch. He had one good season. That's all. Weed is still banned at the federal level. Until that changes I doubt the league will change its policy. Gordon had one “good” season? He played 14 games that season - and led the league in receiving yards. And he had garbage at QB. (Notably Calvin Johnson played that year.) That’s a long way beyond just “good”. Edited July 25, 2018 by BarleyNY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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