C.Biscuit97 Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: Underwhelmed by Rosen. Wait, you’re counter to this is posting a game where Rosen threw for nearly 500 yards, 4 tds, 0 ints, while rallying his team back because his crap defense allowed 44 points? You’re not helping the case about academics and Alabama. i thought this was a fairly positive thread. Should I post Allen’s games against Oregon, Hawaii, & Iowa? 4 minutes ago, Magnum Force said: This is the best I have felt about Buffalo sports in a long time. Sub in Rosen for Allen and I’d agree. I’d also throw in the city of Buffalo as a whole. Shout out to Mayor Urkel. Buffalo is a good place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnum Force Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Wait, you’re counter to this is posting a game where Rosen threw for nearly 500 yards, 4 tds, 0 ints, while rallying his team back because his crap defense allowed 44 points? You’re not helping the case about academics and Alabama. i thought this was a fairly positive thread. Should I post Allen’s games against Oregon, Hawaii, & Iowa? Sub in Rosen for Allen and I’d agree. I’d also throw in the city of Buffalo as a whole. Shout out to Mayor Urkel. Buffalo is a good place. I don't agree with you on the Allen for Rosen....I have been an Allen fan since last year...but that's all good. If it were reversed I would be a Rosen guy....he is a good QB also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 Just now, Magnum Force said: I don't agree with you on the Allen for Rosen....I have been an Allen fan since last year...but that's all good. If it were reversed I would be a Rosen guy....he is a good QB also. I tried to give Allen a chance because of the hype before the season. He didn’t like a legit starting nfl qb in the games I saw. He looked a project mid round pick. but I hope I am very, very wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Yup, 50% of first round qbs bust. Don’t disagree. But Qbs who complete under 60% of their passes in college, much less at Wyoming, bust at like 90%. its also funny how most people say they aren’t trashing Allen as a person yet you just are ripping a 21 year old who don’t even know. Stay classy. ...sorry I think I am classy after 56 years and like to objectively assess.....I cannot comment nor would I attempt to comment on ANY of the QB's selected as I do NOT get to see college ball......I would be the epitome of "fake news" which is NOT my style.......my simple point is that all of these kids have high points and lows, strengths and weaknesses, which result in a dichotomy of opinions that rival the Continental Divide......if it was easy, "BUST" would not be possible, right?........and who in their right mind would root AGAINST a kid trying his best to fulfill a like long dream?.....arses IMO......you may agree or disagree which is your prerogative (respected), but as an old fart I prefer some respect and humility for the game built long ago before these rooks were even a thought....sure you may like feisty and cocky as a possible trait that may be a plus in a rookie's eventually style of play/contribution, but show me first and talk later.... Edited May 5, 2018 by OldTimeAFLGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 8 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Wait, you’re counter to this is posting a game where Rosen threw for nearly 500 yards, 4 tds, 0 ints, while rallying his team back because his crap defense allowed 44 points? You’re not helping the case about academics and Alabama. i thought this was a fairly positive thread. Should I post Allen’s games against Oregon, Hawaii, & Iowa? Sub in Rosen for Allen and I’d agree. I’d also throw in the city of Buffalo as a whole. Shout out to Mayor Urkel. Buffalo is a good place. You clearly didn’t watch the video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 7 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...sorry I think I am classy after 56 years and like to objectively assess.....I cannot comment nor would I attempt to comment on ANY of the QB's selected as I do NOT get to see college ball......I would be the epitome of "fake news" which is NOT my style.......my simple point is that all of these kids have high points and lows, strengths and weaknesses, which result in a dichotomy of opinions that rival the Continental Divide......if it was easy, "BUST" would not be possible, right?........and who in their right mind would root AGAINST a kid trying his best to fulfill a like long dream?.....arses IMO......you may agree or disagree which is your prerogative (respected), but as an old fart I prefer some respect and humility for the game built long ago before these rooks were even a thought....sure you may like feisty and cocky as a possible trait that may be a plus in a rookie's eventually style of play/contribution, but show me first and talk later.... Respect to you as well. And given your use of fake news, I might have a guess who you voted for (because correct me if I’m wrong). I’d say that everything you said about Rosen could easily be said about the Current President, where being respectful is probably more important than a nfl qb. JMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 8 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: You clearly didn’t watch the video. I watched the game. Rosen had one of the worst defenses in college football. UClA’s Defense was ranked 117 in scoring defense, while Wyoming (who is talked about as the worst team ever) was ranked 9th. https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/years/2017-team-defense.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnum Force Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 19 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I tried to give Allen a chance because of the hype before the season. He didn’t like a legit starting nfl qb in the games I saw. He looked a project mid round pick. but I hope I am very, very wrong. Me too...In the end, I think I can speak for the entire board in saying that we all want the same thing which is to have a good football team, future playoff appearances, to beat New England, win the AFC East and .....I guess that's enough for right now . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 2 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: You either get the surrounding talent excuse should not be used or you don't. That said, let's hope he overcomes all of his shortcomings to be the franchise QB the Bills have long needed. "Overcomes all of his shortcomings" Your over-the-top passive aggressiveness reminds me of many ex-girlfriends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 15 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Respect to you as well. And given your use of fake news, I might have a guess who you voted for (because correct me if I’m wrong). I’d say that everything you said about Rosen could easily be said about the Current President, where being respectful is probably more important than a nfl qb. JMO. ...perhaps out of sheer ignorance or admittedly NOT getting to see college ball, I did vote for Allen more so as support and hopes that the kid succeeds......sure as hell would be nice to have a solid Kelly like 10 year QB under center to pave our way to long term greener pastures....stay tuned bud.......the post Kelly QB debacle is NOT healthy for longevity of us old farts....just want ONE Lombardi before I head DOWN to "Hell's Kitchen".....reception sucks there from what I've been told............ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said: CFB passing has changed quite a bit since 1982. Not in Wyoming it hasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnum Force Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 Just now, Wayne Arnold said: Not in Wyoming it hasn't. That made me laugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 One of my favorite Josh Allen plays. Pouring rain, 46 yard line, 0:08 left in the half, no timeouts. Fires a perfect strike. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnum Force Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Green Lightning said: Different era. How about Russel Wilson's stats at North Carolina State? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 Undecided until he lights it up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorp83 Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 4 hours ago, Wayne Arnold said: You must be a blast at parties. Oh I'm the life blood! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: "Overcomes all of his shortcomings" Your over-the-top passive aggressiveness reminds me of many ex-girlfriends. ..."many ex-girlfriends"....LMAO...thank God they saw through your clown suit and got the hell out....either hated looking up to you on your high horse or feared a fall would cause substantial injury.....your vapor trail of obstinence and arrogance from your BBMB days has followed you here......a real shocker (COUGH).....SMFH........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 1 minute ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ..."many ex-girlfriends"....LMAO...thank God they saw through your clown suit and got the hell out....either hated looking up to you on your high horse or feared a fall would cause substantial injury.....your vapor trail of obstinence and arrogance from your BBMB days has followed you here......a real shocker (COUGH).....SMFH........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorp83 Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 4 hours ago, dlonce said: In another post I pointed to people who do not know enough about what a good QB looks like to make the mistakes you have. JP, Trent, EJ and Tyrod were not ever good QBs,they never were going to be good QBs.You fell in love with these guys,probably like your love for Rosen. You’re a fan, you want your QB to succeed,that’s normal. Youve applied past failures as your litmust test to the future results. I’m going to go opposite of what you have said because of your past, but now you’ve learned. You go by what you see,not because you’re a homer. So, what is it you see? Is it independent thought or are you listening to the clowns on sports talk radio? Give us something better than a 56% completion rate. The difference between 56% and 60% is minimal. I've done this already in previous threads. I've already gave my independent thoughts. Just click on my profile... I don't like Allen... until he proves me wrong... I will continue to say, we picked the wrong guy 4 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said: Undecided until he lights it up Exactly! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, Magnum Force said: How about Russel Wilson's stats at North Carolina State? He completed 70% of his passes with a 33 td to 4 ints ratio in his last year in college. I think comparing guys last year in college is more relevant. but to answer your question: Wilson was better at NC State and the ACC (possibly the 2nd best conference) than Allen was at Wyoming and the MWC. https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/russell-wilson-1.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: ...anticipated response.......you're a prize......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 3 hours ago, Wayne Arnold said: Boller's completion percentages at Cal: 38.6, 46.7, 49.3, 53.3 It took him four years to get above 50%. Come on, now. And we all know... The talent around Kyle Boller at CAL was equal to the talent around Josh Allen at Wyoming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 I’ve watched enough of Allen post draft. He can be a successful QB in this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 9 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...anticipated response.......you're a prize......... I'm sorry if I offended you at some point but to be honest I have no idea who you are. Peace be with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Protocal69 Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 I had Rosen 1 and Allen 2 but after film review and seeing all his accuracy issues are with his footwork which he has addressed I so happy we were able to get him. It's so funny because when under pressure Rosen accuracy is worst than Allens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: I'm sorry if I offended you at some point but to be honest I have no idea who you are. Peace be with you. ...I am the mystery man moving on from you......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnum Force Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 20 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: He completed 70% of his passes with a 33 td to 4 ints ratio in his last year in college. I think comparing guys last year in college is more relevant. but to answer your question: Wilson was better at NC State and the ACC (possibly the 2nd best conference) than Allen was at Wyoming and the MWC. https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/russell-wilson-1.html I don't disagree with you but his stats his senior year are more reflective of his transfer to a better program and talent at Wisconsin in my opinion. For 3 years his stats at NC State were consistent at 57% and then he jumps up 15% to 73% with the Badgers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 I’ll say this. I can’t recall so-called experts disagreeing so wildly about a QB. Some of the biggest names out there think Josh Allen will be an Awesome pro QB and that it was a great pick by the Bills. Just as many if not more experts think Josh Allen is overrated or even sucks. So I have no idea who the hell this guy is or what we have?!? But I’m rooting for him obviously. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 50 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: "Overcomes all of his shortcomings" Your over-the-top passive aggressiveness reminds me of many ex-girlfriends. For what it's worth, given that a number of QB evaluators including professionals and guys who like Allen see significant shortcomings, the "over the top passive aggressiveness" call seems a little over-the-top itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Wayne Arnold said: "Overcomes all of his shortcomings" Your over-the-top passive aggressiveness reminds me of many ex-girlfriends. Many ex-girlfriends. Best thing they ever did was the ex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 36 minutes ago, The_Dude said: I’ve watched enough of Allen post draft. He can be a successful QB in this league. What were you watching? Highlights, game film? Interviews? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnum Force Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 5 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said: What were you watching? Highlights, game film? Interviews? Wasn't Dr Sack...Leon Seals? cool name Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maryland-bills-fan Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 now that he is a bill, I am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 20 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said: What were you watching? Highlights, game film? Interviews? Tweets dude it was the tweets!smh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cannon Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 BIG TIME! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 Wasn't my first choice but I love everything about him. His consistency is my only concern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNMBillsFan Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 I voted yes. I trust the process!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaista2k Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 1 hour ago, The_Dude said: I’ve watched enough of Allen post draft. He can be a successful QB in this league. If you actually watched his games I'm not sure how you could come to that conclusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 4 hours ago, Luka said: Yes, Tyrod was the reason we made the playoffs lmao it's a team game. you get this concept right? 2 hours ago, The_Dude said: I’ve watched enough of Allen post draft. He can be a successful QB in this league. time for you to become a pro scout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 2 hours ago, Magnum Force said: I don't disagree with you but his stats his senior year are more reflective of his transfer to a better program and talent at Wisconsin in my opinion. For 3 years his stats at NC State were consistent at 57% and then he jumps up 15% to 73% with the Badgers. Wow! Russell Wilson went from a quarterback with terrible accuracy to a quarterback with amazing accuracy in a matter of months. What a miracle! Couldn't have been the change in scheme, coaching he received, his teammates, and various other factors that improved his completion percentage, could it? Nah, we know that those factors don't exist, but are just "excuses" that fanboys like to make up. Completion percentage is all that matters when determining a quarterback's accuracy, amirite? Definitely miracle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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