PIZ Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 http://amp.si.com/nfl/2018/04/23/mock-draft-prospects-trades-first-round-mmqb-peter-king?__twitter_impression=true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRT88 Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 It means nothing but exactly how was Arizona able to get the #5 pick and Buffalo wouldn't? Bills have way more firepower to make a move then Cards. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 11 minutes ago, KRT88 said: It means nothing but exactly how was Arizona able to get the #5 pick and Buffalo wouldn't? Bills have way more firepower to make a move then Cards. I imagine it would take Arizonas 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 5th to move up that high. Exactly half of their draft, and 3 of their 4 early picks. I would think they are the team more likely to pick Allen if he drops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 In that situation (Darnold, Mayfield, and Rosen gone), why trade up? I don't think the Bucs, Bears, 49ers, Dolphins, or Raiders have any interest in Josh Allen. The Patriots would be the only potential team to jump us and I don't see them doing that for somebody with as many question marks as Josh Allen. He'd pry be there at #12 if we're dumb enough to draft him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted April 23, 2018 Author Share Posted April 23, 2018 39 minutes ago, PIZ said: 5. Arizona (from Denver)—Baker Mayfield, QB, Oklahoma Call this hunch the Won’t Get Fooled Again Pick. I’ve always thought a segment of the Cardinals had regrets over the 2017 draft when, with a 37-year-old quarterback (Carson Palmer) possibly in his last year, they were leap-frogged by teams who took Pat Mahomes and Deshaun Watson one and three picks ahead of them. Plus, the Cardinals don’t like Baker Mayfield. They love him. That’s a good thing, because John Elway likes him a lot too. Interesting strange-bedfellows scene at the Broncos’ cafeteria during Mayfield’s on-campus visit. Elway sat alone at one table with Mayfield, conversing. Walking through the salad bar at the time: Case Keenum. 6. Buffalo (from Indianapolis)—Josh Allen, QB, Wyoming While we’re hung up on finding a landing spot for all the quarterbacks, I’d remind you of four things at this pick: A) I don’t know if Buffalo loves Allen; B) but I hear they love his ability to throw it through the lake effect winds and snow; C) Allen is a garrulous, genial version of Jim Kelly, a rifle-armed work in progress the fans in western New York will love; and D) I think this trade fits both teams because I’m not sure the Colts would demand both Bills’ first-round picks in return. In fact, because of the strength of the second round, I could see Colts GM Chris Ballard valuing the 53rd and 56th picks collectively higher than the 22nd pick in this draft. So, 12, 53, 56 and, say, 96 for six? Could be equitable. It would leave the Bills with their second of two first-rounders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Peter King is a weird dude. I don't really like it but admit it would be fun/strange to see a team with 5 picks in the second round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 I’m warming up to the idea of Josh Allen. NFL guys know talent way more than me and they see something. If Beane takes him, we have to trust his decision. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elltrain22 Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 I don't doubt Arizona's want or need to move up to #5, but if they did move up, I would be VERY surprised if they didn't pick Josh Allen. I have read & heard that they have been in love with Allen for 2 years now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 6 minutes ago, elltrain22 said: I don't doubt Arizona's want or need to move up to #5, but if they did move up, I would be VERY surprised if they didn't pick Josh Allen. I have read & heard that they have been in love with Allen for 2 years now. Thing is that was a different staff. They were connected to Allen because of Arians’ need for a guy that focuses on the long ball. That’s no longer needed, hence bringing in two guys that tend to lean on the short stuff in Bradford and Glennon. Nobody seems to know what to expect from the Cardinals now but based on the few dots that we have to connect, I would think the previous regime was much higher on Allen than the new one is (doesn’t mean the new regime doesn’t like Allen though). seems like Buffalo could wait a little longer to move up if things played out this way but I suspect that they’d consider it a win if they only give up one first round pick and get the guy I suspect they have at 1 or 2 on their board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 42 minutes ago, McBean said: I’m warming up to the idea of Josh Allen. NFL guys know talent way more than me and they see something. If Beane takes him, we have to trust his decision. Allen is fine if we don't trade the farm for him. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midwest1981 Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 (edited) If the sweet spot of this draft (once the top-tier, blue-chip guys are gone) is truly the 2nd and 3rd rounds... and maybe even if it’s not because I’d argue 53, 56, & 96 are collectively more valuable than just 22... I’d rather give up 22 than all three of those picks. Some pundits had posited than the difference between 25 and 45 in a draft like this will be minimal. So I’d rather part with 22 (just 22) to move up to 6. Edited April 23, 2018 by Midwest1981 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Every time I see a mock with a G/C as the pick at 22 when good linebackers are still on the board I know the writer knows little about our needs and just reads headlines. 1 hour ago, Doc Brown said: In that situation (Darnold, Mayfield, and Rosen gone), why trade up? I don't think the Bucs, Bears, 49ers, Dolphins, or Raiders have any interest in Josh Allen. The Patriots would be the only potential team to jump us and I don't see them doing that for somebody with as many question marks as Josh Allen. He'd pry be there at #12 if we're dumb enough to draft him. I could see the Pats moving for him. They could easily believe the Patriot Way and sitting behind Brady helps him hit his ceiling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEraBills Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 (edited) I wouldn't mind Allen at 6,7, or 8 but you'd probably have to land him at 6 because there's just too much chatter about teams wanting QBs. I think Center at 22 is fine as well. About the only thing I would not like is not having 2nd rounders to add another interior lineman and a linebacker or WR. But it's the price you have to pay. 11 minutes ago, No Place To Hyde said: Every time I see a mock with a G/C as the pick at 22 when good linebackers are still on the board I know the writer knows little about our needs and just reads headlines. I could see the Pats moving for him. They could easily believe the Patriot Way and sitting behind Brady helps him hit his ceiling. It's not like we don't need interior OL either though. And the best way to build the OL is from the inside out starting at the Center. They are mocking the best center talent to us. I don't see an issue with that. We actually need that and an upgrade at RT. I'd prefer LB and know it's an equal need but it's not like we don't need a great middle player on the offense. Edited April 23, 2018 by NewEraBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2003Contenders Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 1 hour ago, thenorthremembers said: I imagine it would take Arizonas 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 5th to move up that high. Exactly half of their draft, and 3 of their 4 early picks. I would think they are the team more likely to pick Allen if he drops. Still not as good as 12, 53, 56 and 96 that he supposedly has the Bills giving up to get to 6. That is why it is funny (and a cop-out) that King is careful to specify what he has the Bills giving up to get to 6 but makes no mention of what the Cardinals with less ammunition, jumping up a pick higher and having to move up further (10 to 5 as opposed to 12 to 6) would have to give up. In order for the Cardinals to beat the Bills' deal deal, they would have to give up all of their top picks (as you say) from this year's draft PLUS next year's first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 If we trade with colts I think they want next years first rather than this years seconds. But if it’s broncos I think they want this years picks. Thing is if we get solid players with those seconds and the other first along with nailing the qb pick we are a playoff hunt team and it’s a later First pick. I do that all day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jahnyc Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 I don't like the trade of picks to the Colts from the Bills that King lays out. I would hope we could do the trade for less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 43 minutes ago, NewEraBills said: I wouldn't mind Allen at 6,7, or 8 but you'd probably have to land him at 6 because there's just too much chatter about teams wanting QBs. I think Center at 22 is fine as well. About the only thing I would not like is not having 2nd rounders to add another interior lineman and a linebacker or WR. But it's the price you have to pay. It's not like we don't need interior OL either though. And the best way to build the OL is from the inside out starting at the Center. They are mocking the best center talent to us. I don't see an issue with that. We actually need that and an upgrade at RT. I'd prefer LB and know it's an equal need but it's not like we don't need a great middle player on the offense. Even with Wood and Cogs retirement our weakest spot is still RT imo. Groy, Bodine and a later pick to compete should be able to compete. Add into that Vlad did play better down the stretch and John Miller, while forgotten about played extremely well just 2 seasons ago in a similar style blocking scheme as we are expecting to run this year. At LBer we have...Milano. And not much else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Why trade up after the big 3 are gone. To lose picks and get Allen would be less than fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Just now, Virgil said: Why trade up after the big 3 are gone. To lose picks and get Allen would be less than fun That's my thought. Seems like worst-case scenario - giving up a bunch of picks to get the last of "The Four QBs" as opposed to the one they want. Better off staying put and taking Lamar Jackson, at that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 In that case, I’d just take a tier 2 QB later on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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