YoloinOhio Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 Just now, kdiggz said: they reached for a projected 3rd round guy. so they overpaid for a project QB because they were in a desperate situation without a franchise QB. very similar situation Isn’t Allen projected to go top 5? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drf1835 Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 22 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: ...will you feel as bad as you did, or worse than you did, when the team drafted EJ? Just trying to get the temperature of the fan base...now remember, the term “trading up” is emphasized. If you wanted the true temperature of the fan base, you could have worded your question differently, as you seem to be assuming by your question that the fan base is all thinking negatively about trading up for Josh Allen. When you pose such an "or" question you should consider giving a choice for the opposite point of view too, like "....will you feel better, about the same or worse as when the team dtafted EJ." Then all repliers could pick an option for them and explain why they felt that, after telling others here too how they felt about us drafting EJ, to put their answer into perspective, as we cannot assume either that all here were against that draft decision of EJ. In other words, your question makes assumptions, and leaves out opposing view options. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, kdiggz said: they reached for a projected 3rd round guy. so they overpaid for a project QB because they were in a desperate situation without a franchise QB. very similar situation I don't really see it. Say they trade up to 2 and take Allen with Rosen and Mayfield available. They would have to have evaluated all three and still concluded that Allen would eventually be the better pro. EJ was in a bad year for qb; this isn't. Edited April 18, 2018 by Dr. Who Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Like A Mofo Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 If Buffalo trades up for Josh Allen: Sure, I'd be slightly disappointed but like the Bills fan I am: will support him and hope for the best. That is all we can do folks. Or just bandwagon like 75% of the New England fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 1 minute ago, kdiggz said: sorry, i actually try and add value and have intelligent discussions with forum members. if you aren't into that then go troll twitter or something Arguing that trading back and settling for, arguably, the best prospect of a weak QB class is the same as trading up and choosing who they feel is the best prospect of a strong QB class is not a terribly insightful or intelligent analysis. If you are not into those things, then perhaps you should take your own advice.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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longtimebillsfan Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 Personally, I see many similarities with this draft to 2013 when we just had to find our franchise qb. In 2013 the qb class had no real can't miss qb. All the top qb's had flaws. We all know how that draft worked out for us. Because drafting any qb in this draft class is a gamble, I am in the camp that we should stay at 12 and draft the BPA and take a qb that warrants the pick we use. Any time you draft for need instead of the BPA, that is often where the big "busts" happen. Just my opinion. but I would not be happy if we move up in the draft and give away much of our draft capital. Let's take a qb that falls to us naturally and pick the BPA with each of our picks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: I don't really see it. Say they trade up to 2 and take Allen with Rosen and Mayfield available. They would have to have evaluated all three and still concluded that Allen would eventually be the better pro. EJ was in a bad year for qb; this isn't. I think that would be extremely difficult to do. You are giving up a ton of resources for a guy with a lot of risk, everyone agrees on that. So you have a QB who may turn out to be a 9.5 In Allen, as opposed to Rosen who's perhaps an 8.5-9.0. But, Rosen has a much greater chance of helping you in the short term.JMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 7 minutes ago, kdiggz said: they reached for a projected 3rd round guy. so they overpaid for a project QB because they were in a desperate situation without a franchise QB. very similar situation That is to presuppose Josh Allen will be an overpaid, project QB, worthy of nothing more than a 3rd round pick. There is no way to know that at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 I wasn't upset when they drafted EJ Manuel. That class was so horrifically bad at QB and everyone knew it going in. Whoever we drafted, I knew was going to be a longshot to be good. But we didn't have a choice but to take one. To be honest, at the time, I was just glad that we didn't draft Ryan Nassib. re: Josh Allen: I think where the trade up occurs matters. I don't want to see us trading up to #2 for him. But if they do, i'll know he was their guy. And i'll get over it. In time. Passing on either Darnold or Rosen for him would for sure sting though. If Darnold/Rosen/Mayfield go in the top 4-5 picks and we can't get a partner up there - I would be fine with trading up as high as 5-6 for him. Provided they aren't asked to seriously overpay. Either way - trust the process and all will be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 12 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Isn’t Allen projected to go top 5? Don't let facts get in the way.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 9 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: Arguing that trading back and settling for, arguably, the best prospect of a weak QB class is the same as trading up and choosing who they feel is the best prospect of a strong QB class is not a terribly insightful or intelligent analysis. If you are not into those things, then perhaps you should take your own advice.... They are similar situations because the Bills were in a position where they had to take a QB and if they draft Allen they are going for the big strong project QB much like they did with EJ. Your argument is that they are not the same kind of situation because this is a stronger QB class and that is another reason why I would not be happy with them taking Allen, because there are better, more developed players available. To me, trading a bunch of picks to get Allen at 1 or 2 is overpaying. To get to 1 or 2 it's going to take something like 12, 22, 53, 56, 93, next year's 1st. Much different than getting him at 7-12 and maybe you only give up 12, 53. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 5 minutes ago, horned dogs said: I think that would be extremely difficult to do. You are giving up a ton of resources for a guy with a lot of risk, everyone agrees on that. So you have a QB who may turn out to be a 9.5 In Allen, as opposed to Rosen who's perhaps an 8.5-9.0. But, Rosen has a much greater chance of helping you in the short term.JMO I don't think there's any question Rosen is the safer pick. He is also arguably the most ready to play. My main emphasis in my rejoinder was that if Beane selects Allen, it will not be (as in 2013) because there really weren't any alternative choices worthy of consideration. I infer from this that OBD will have determined Allen's potential fairly likely to be reached and worth waiting on. They could be wrong, naturally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wsam4031 Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 (edited) no because I have more confidence in Beane then i did in whaley/Nix. Plus Allen is a LOT better then EJ could hope to be. Ill also feel good that they identified the guy they want and went and got him, no matter who it is Edited April 18, 2018 by Wsam4031 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 Were talking about QB's for the first time in a long time and so are our HC/GM which means they're more competent then many before them, I trust they'll due everything possible to ensure they find the right guy that fits what they want to do and if Allen is the guy I'd be quite happy since he's a top 5 QB in this draft no doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 I’d be pretty fired up and also I’d be fired up. But deep down inside I’d convince myself there was a reason for the move and I’d trust their judgement. While being fired up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 6 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: I don't think there's any question Rosen is the safer pick. He is also arguably the most ready to play. My main emphasis in my rejoinder was that if Beane selects Allen, it will not be (as in 2013) because there really weren't any alternative choices worthy of consideration. I infer from this that OBD will have determined Allen's potential fairly likely to be reached and worth waiting on. They could be wrong, naturally. I don't see this as anything like 2013 at all. Allen is a much better prospect than EJ ever dreamed of being. My point is that the upside isn't a likely thing, and you don't trade up for it unless you have too in a year with other strong candidates. Therefore, with 3 other candidates of a higher probability of success (though perhaps a little lower ceiling), those are the guys you move up for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poleshifter Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 I will be very happy if they draft Josh Allen, even trading up. There can be NO COMPARISON with EJ Manuel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 Depends where. If QBs go 123 and Allen is still on the board and we trade up to like 7 I could live with it. But not at 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNY315 Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 Probably just keep watching the first quarter against CMU to psych myself into being excited about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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