Jay_Fixit Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 Always BPA. Always. Unless you need a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 Just now, Turk71 said: High level business meetings, and clandestine rendezvous' with nefarious underground sources in Dunkirk, or Derby perhaps. Connect the dots. Yes it is, but only if the player is a failure. Trading away valuable picks for a total failure means you reached. Doesn't mean it never works out, but you still reached if you gave up a ton for a failure. That's hindsight which isn't the same thing as drafting a player based on how you grade him as a prospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 12 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: Isn't trading a bunch a picks to move up considered reaching? Reaching is taking a player higher than you have him graded. Like, if they have Jackson rated as a late first/early second round prospect, but they trade up to 7 to grab him. 2 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said: Always BPA. Always. Unless you need a QB. BQBA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 2 hours ago, NewEraBills said: He's right. There's 4. QB, RG, RT, MLB. WR could be swapped with RT. Or Maybe RG, RT, MLB, WR's as the starting positions from the draft and the QB has to sit for a bit. Which immediately puts Allen in play YUK. and WR. I say C, LG, WR, MLB at the very least Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tossy McSalad Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, dlonce said: the too many holes crowd I’d rather not discuss this now Edited April 13, 2018 by Tossy McSalad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 4 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: Reaching is taking a player higher than you have him graded. Like, if they have Jackson rated as a late first/early second round prospect, but they trade up to 7 to grab him. Reaching is also giving up more than it was worth to get to where you have him graded, but I mostly agree with your definition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 This definitely means they are talking Rudolph at 12. Definitely a third round pick at 12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 7 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: That's hindsight which isn't the same thing as drafting a player based on how you grade him as a prospect. True Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: To me this says the Buffalo Bills will not select Lamar Jackson or Mason Rudolph at #12. If they can't get up for one of the top 4 they are going to go BPA at #12 and it won't be a Quarterback. Beane has a targeted qb grouping and within reason will make a measured deal for one of them. If a reasonable deal can't be worked out he will follow his board. Where I have a slight disagreement with your judgment is that I don't think that it is improbable that Beane might be interested in Rudolph at 12 or more likely 22. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojo44 Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Whatever he says 2 weeks before the draft is a lie. Try two hours before the draft! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 4 hours ago, PIZ said: BPA at the positions of need. This is how I have to feel you enter the draft. You pick a player where to two lines meet. Meaning if we really need a LB and we have this one graded as a top half pick of round one and he is available later, take him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 4 hours ago, Fadingpain said: “And for the most part we don’t have many glaring holes,” Beane said. “We do have a couple, but I don’t feel like we’re entering the draft with five starting positions that I’ve got to find in this draft.” That's a concerning comment. I'd argue their WR group, LB group, and offensive line could all get hit by an asteroid and you wouldn't lose much after you signed 12 new guys off the street. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 12 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: This is how I have to feel you enter the draft. You pick a player where to two lines meet. Meaning if we really need a LB and we have this one graded as a top half pick of round one and he is available later, take him. I'm even a bit removed from BPA at positions of need...I would say it's BPA at the premium positions; that is to say that you always draft a franchise QB if you don't have one (or if you have any doubt about his contract status or health). If you're convinced that you already have your franchise QB in the fold, and are comfortable with the depth behind him, then you go BPA at pass rusher, CB, WR, and OT (in that order). That's how I'd approach days 1 and 2...on day 3, I'm probably going straight BPA (save for specialists) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 5 minutes ago, Derby Dan said: all bluster. they are targeting Josh Allen I heard McBeane are salivating over his package. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Commonsense said: That's a concerning comment. I'd argue their WR group, LB group, and offensive line could all get hit by an asteroid and you wouldn't lose much after you signed 12 new guys off the street. I took it as he thinks they should get the best option at QB, so, they can come in right away and have success. So, no Josh Allen if that’s the case. I always have to tell myself Beane says a lot without saying much and have to look for the little clues here and there. Maybe I’m over analyzing, but it’s happened before. Edited April 13, 2018 by Captain Murica Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 Just now, Captain Murica said: I took it as he thinks they should get the best option at QB, so, they can come in right away and have success. So, no Josh Allen if that’s the case. I always have to tell myself Beane says a lot with saying much and have to look for the little clues here and there. Maybe I’m over analyzing, but it’s happener before. Yeah I was taking it at face value. It's a good mindset to have anyways. He should ignore the holes if that's what it takes to get the QB they have circled as their guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 He probably sees MLB and LG as our only holes, thus 'a couple'. Probably couldn't even get him to say QB is a hole. Would come up with a different word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 10 minutes ago, Derby Dan said: McBean wants him and I do believe we will make the trade with the Giants. both #1's, one second and second next year connect the data points and mcbeane has a plan Follow the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 18 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: I'm even a bit removed from BPA at positions of need...I would say it's BPA at the premium positions; that is to say that you always draft a franchise QB if you don't have one (or if you have any doubt about his contract status or health). If you're convinced that you already have your franchise QB in the fold, and are comfortable with the depth behind him, then you go BPA at pass rusher, CB, WR, and OT (in that order). That's how I'd approach days 1 and 2...on day 3, I'm probably going straight BPA (save for specialists) Agreed on premium positions verse value positions. I think QB can stand to be in a separate category. In no other major sport can one position dictate outcome as much as QB. Pinnacle-QB Premium positions- LT, DE/Pass Rusher, CB, Safety (on the fence for safety). Value positions- RB, LB, Interior line on D and O. There are exceptions to this. Barkley comes to mind this year. I think for the value positions you need to be seen as a can't miss. Zero injury and character concerns along with performance at a major program for two years or more. This criteria would allow a value position to move up the board if it also has need attached to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 16 minutes ago, Derby Dan said: McBean wants him and I do believe we will make the trade with the Giants. both #1's, one second and second next year connect the data points and mcbeane has a plan I would make that trade if that is the cost. What happens if Browns take Allen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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