BadLandsMeanie Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 (edited) Just a word if you will allow me. The Jets just traded into the 3rd spot of the first round. I feel grim about that just like everyone because it makes it look like we might get shut out from having our choice. I think the only person truly happy about it is AJ McCarron, who is probably still dancing as I speak. But it was a mistake. This was never going to be easy and it is more like a gunfight than anything else. Somebody is going to live and somebody is going to die. Beane will keep his cool, because Beane will know that the Jets just locked themselves in to taking whoever is left at 3. So the Jets have played their cards too soon which leaves Beane with a small advantage. Beane still has the option to trade up if the guy he wants is there at 2. The Jets just made it so we can get ahead of them. We don't have to worry about them any more if you look at it that way. You get 15 minutes I think it is in round one to wheel and deal. If the Bills see somebody they want bad enough they can probably trade ahead of the Jets and get who they want. While the Jets are pretty much locked in. The whole thing is dicey but we just got a small advantage here. I don't believe they will, but if the Browns take Barkey #1, this Jets move could result in the Buffalo Bills getting first pick of all the quarterbacks. They can get whoever they want. Edited March 17, 2018 by BadLandsMeanie 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baskingridgebillsfan Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 I don't think the Jets can get to two because the Giants are not going to trade them the pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 (edited) Pretty sure the Jets tried getting to 2 first. The Giants probably don’t want to trade out or are asking for something unreasonable to make it happen. I don’t see how this is an advantage for us since the Giants can either stay put at 2 or bend us over the table since they know we need to jump the Jets. Edited March 17, 2018 by Bangarang 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 I'm telling you right now, anyone who thinks yesterday was lip service from Beane... I think Beane saw an opportunity to shed salary and move up in the draft with Glenn. There is a very strong possibility that move didn't entail him automatically moving up as was assumed. Now the Jets moving up means the Giants can literally ask for anything and I sincerely doubt Beane gives up the cost. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadLandsMeanie Posted March 17, 2018 Author Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, baskingridgebillsfan said: I don't think the Jets can get to two because the Giants are not going to trade them the pick How come you think that? Gettleman said he would entertain offers. Just now, Bangarang said: Pretty sure the Jets tried getting to 2 first. The Giants probably don’t want to trade out or are asking for something unreasonable to make it happen. I don’t see how this is an advantage for us since the Giants can either stay out at 2 or bend us over the table since they know we need to jump the Jets. I think they were always going to bend us over for #2 overall. I don't think that has changed. But if we are sure this is the guy we want sitting there, paying a lot isn't wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo2218 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 I think this is exactly what the Jets want us to do just to see us possibly blow up our draft this year and and lose our 1st next year. But still, it leaves an insanely bad taste in Bills' fans mouths to more than likely lose out on a top QB. Because let's face it, with all the FA signings, none of them pale in comparison to trading up. So now it appears our offseason is pretty meh if not gross Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 It is a mistake for the Jets. Even if the Giants stay put, what if they draft a QB? That men’s the Jets traded up for the 3rd best QB in the draft. They were forced to make this move. You make this move on draft day, when you know the guy you want is there. This is a trade up and you can’t even target anyone. Of course they’ll say player X was their choice all along. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadLandsMeanie Posted March 17, 2018 Author Share Posted March 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said: I'm telling you right now, anyone who thinks yesterday was lip service from Beane... I think Beane saw an opportunity to shed salary and move up in the draft with Glenn. There is a very strong possibility that move didn't entail him automatically moving up as was assumed. Now the Jets moving up means the Giants can literally ask for anything and I sincerely doubt Beane gives up the cost. I agree with your about Beane and I think this is what he meant. He couldn't know what he would do because he can't control who will be available when. But I don't know if he will trade up or not because I don't know how they value this class of quarterbacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solicurance Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 I was glad when we picked up AJ... People always have an opinion and most of the time they have no idea what their talking about... He could take us to the Playoffs and everyone’s tune would change... He’s a good QB, lets see what he can do as a starter ? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baskingridgebillsfan Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, BadLandsMeanie said: How come you think that? Gettleman said he would entertain offers. I think they were always going to bend us over for #2 overall. I don't think that has changed. But if we are sure this is the guy we want sitting there, paying a lot isn't wrong. the Giants are not going to help the team the share a building with get the qb they want. noway they trade with the Jets. Now the giants sit back and take what will be a kings ransom form Denver or the Blls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 They love 3 QBs and wanted to for sure get one of them. They don't care what happens at one or two. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 This also doesn't make sense for the Jets...they will have 5 QBs assuming they take one. They just took Bridgewater and McCown...still have Petty and Hack. Watch as they take Chubb or something. They DO have to replace their d-line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadLandsMeanie Posted March 17, 2018 Author Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Wayne Cubed said: It is a mistake for the Jets. Even if the Giants stay put, what if they draft a QB? That men’s the Jets traded up for the 3rd best QB in the draft. They were forced to make this move. You make this move on draft day, when you know the guy you want is there. This is a trade up and you can’t even target anyone. Of course they’ll say player X was their choice all along. Exactly they will have to say they got who they wanted no matter what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 No one knows. If they get a franchise QB it wasn't a mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seventeen Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 No mistake at all ... Jets will get Mayfield @ #3. Darnold to CLE, Rosen to NYG and then Mayfield. Allen to the Broncos @ 5 and the Bills will take Jackson. Rosen wants to go to the Giants. https://www.bigblueview.com/2018/3/16/17128840/nfl-draft-josh-rosen-gives-giants-a-shout-out-after-his-pro-day-workout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadLandsMeanie Posted March 17, 2018 Author Share Posted March 17, 2018 Just now, baskingridgebillsfan said: the Giants are not going to help the team the share a building with get the qb they want. noway they trade with the Jets. Now the giants sit back and take what will be a kings ransom form Denver or the Blls. I didn't think of that. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baskingridgebillsfan Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Wayne Cubed said: It is a mistake for the Jets. Even if the Giants stay put, what if they draft a QB? That men’s the Jets traded up for the 3rd best QB in the draft. They were forced to make this move. You make this move on draft day, when you know the guy you want is there. This is a trade up and you can’t even target anyone. Of course they’ll say player X was their choice all along. the jets did they best they could. Giants are not giving the jets number. 2. If the Jets stayed at 6 they risk teams trading to 2 and 4 and then you could have qbs taken 1,2,4 and 5 ahead of you . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Just now, ScottLaw said: Which again, would be dumb and grounds for inevitable firing. It would be two years in a row this regime passed on QBs and they just traded their starter. Which is why I think we still trade up. Can we wait until April to pass judgement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 I don't think there is any chance the Browns take Barkley at 1, not anymore anyways. The Giants may very well take a QB and the Jets are going to do the same, so two QBs can be off the board by the time the Browns pick again at 4. Will they really settle for the 3rd best prospect? That would be disasterous IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadLandsMeanie Posted March 17, 2018 Author Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, ScottLaw said: How do you know the Jets don't like all three guys? In which case they'll take their pick of whoever is left out of the three. This is extremely wishful thinking and basically a thread to downplay the Jets trade. Had the Bills done this would you have the same mentality? Hey man Im fine with differing opinions but can we not tell the other person what they are really thinking? I think what I think. Yes I would have had this same opinion. I said a few times in other threads that I think the Bills need to wait until the draft is in process before they make their move. The only time you don't have to do that (as I see it) is when you are trading for the #1 because then nobody can a thing about it. In a way this is like a game of rock paper scissors and the Jets just picked one too early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Just now, ScottLaw said: Browns are taking a QB first. There is no !@#$ing way Browns make the same mistake again with Dorsey. They have to, they would be fools not to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadLandsMeanie Posted March 17, 2018 Author Share Posted March 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, TheTruthHurts said: No one knows. If they get a franchise QB it wasn't a mistake. I am not saying the outcome is pre-determined. But I am saying that strategically they just gave a bit of an advantage to the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elite Poster Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Yeah, huge mistake. If this QB hits. 20 years of Brady, then however many years of this guy. Yep, AJ McCarron though, guys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloMatt Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 I love the offseason. Sure as Sh*t whatever you think is going to happen won't. All we do is speculate without insight. I myself can't wait to actually see what happens. Beane is not only drafting for this year he's looking at 2019. If by chance one of us got lucky and speculated correctly about the pick, blind kudos to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elite Poster Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, BadLandsMeanie said: I am not saying the outcome is pre-determined. But I am saying that strategically they just gave a bit of an advantage to the Bills. How? If we jumped to 3, then we could've leaped over Denver/NYJ. Now, there is a set market (spoiler: Jets overpaid so now we will have to overpay even more) and there are less trade partners. Cleveland will not trade 1. We have one place to move to and you better believe Denver is looking at that spot as well. This is not playing into our advantage at all. Edited March 17, 2018 by Elite Poster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Elite Poster said: Yeah, huge mistake. If this QB hits. 20 years of Brady, then however many years of this guy. Yep, AJ McCarron though, guys! For back up money... We are drafting a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadLandsMeanie Posted March 17, 2018 Author Share Posted March 17, 2018 Just now, ScottLaw said: I'm sure the Jets completely disagree with you and are fine with being third and would be completely fine with having any of those three. Why else would they have made the trade? I think they are gambling. But maybe they just don't care which oine they get. It would be kind of weird. But it was kind of weird how they signed Bridgewater and McCown and they drafted whoosit in the 2nd last year who they still have, so I never really know what they are thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 9 minutes ago, TheTruthHurts said: No one knows. If they get a franchise QB it wasn't a mistake. Yep, and if we stay at 12, not getting a franchise QB will be the end of the Beane regime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baskingridgebillsfan Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 sets up they trade to get the second qb or stay and get the 4th . I wish I knew what there board looked like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 You probably have two teams picking from 3 top tier QBs. I think the Browns will definitely take one. I don't think the Giants will. The Jets at 3 aren't even a lock, I'd say. They did sign Bridgewater. Keenum went to the Broncos. Colts, Bucs, Bears, 49ers, Oakland, probably not likely to pick QBs. I'm more worried that the guy we want is there but we have to send a pick to the 9ers or Raiders to leapfrog Miami, who's a wildcard for QB, though they did just restructure Tannehill. We will see I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 12 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Pretty sure the Jets tried getting to 2 first. The Giants probably don’t want to trade out or are asking for something unreasonable to make it happen. I don’t see how this is an advantage for us since the Giants can either stay put at 2 or bend us over the table since they know we need to jump the Jets. Like 3 1's? I think Bufalo has the number knows the cost and are dotting the i's and crossing the t's of the prospect they like most. NYG know the Bills can pay the most THIS year and help this years team. Beane is aware that the price is high but will take his time to see if the QB he wants is truely a franchise QB if he is than the trade is made. I also believe the rumor that Jackson is 2 on their Qb board and they are not sold trading everything they will need to will be better than staying put drafting Jackson and getting a mike at 22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 The #3 is worth 2200 a 600 point difference from #6. 37(530), 49(410) and for the sake of guessing let’s say middle 2nd next year 420. Are you telling me they paid over 1300 points for 600 point difference to move 3 spots? Holy Snikees! What will it take to get 2? What will Gettleman ask for and will Beane pay it? Bust out the KY guys, I can see him asking for 12, 22 and next years first and a second rounder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elite Poster Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said: For back up money... We are drafting a QB. *We are getting leftovers* 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baskingridgebillsfan Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Just now, DriveFor1Outta5 said: Yep, and if we stay at 12, not getting a franchise QB will be the end of the Beane regime. if he stays at 12 and crushes the next 5 picks he will be fine or if the second qb ***** the bed he will be fine. lots of cards left to be played Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Just now, Elite Poster said: *We are getting leftovers* 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 20 minutes ago, BadLandsMeanie said: So the Jets have played their cards too soon which leaves Beane with a small advantage. Beane still has the option to trade up if the guy he wants is there at 2. So do the Jets. They could trade up with that #3 pick with Giants or even Browns. Personally I hope they go full Ditka and trade all of the picks plus picks from next year to trade up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said: For back up money... We are drafting a QB. Yes we are, but it looks like at 12. Once again, the Bills might fail to make the move necessary for a top QB. Very reminiscent of Losman and Manuel. I’m just very skeptical now. We had more to offer the Colts than the Jets did. It looks like Beane might really be staying at 12. It would be a big mistake imo. You don’t trade away half your franchise to stay at number 12, hoping someone falls to you. Cordy Glenn is a talent lineman, they don’t come around everyday. In my opinion, you better end up with a top QB when you mortgaged the present for a better future. 2 minutes ago, baskingridgebillsfan said: if he stays at 12 and crushes the next 5 picks he will be fine or if the second qb ***** the bed he will be fine. lots of cards left to be played No, you still need a franchise QB . Those next five picks aren’t going to win a Super Bowl with McCarron under center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTbills Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 20 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Pretty sure the Jets tried getting to 2 first. The Giants probably don’t want to trade out or are asking for something unreasonable to make it happen. I don’t see how this is an advantage for us since the Giants can either stay put at 2 or bend us over the table since they know we need to jump the Jets. Or Gettleman has already agreed to give it to Beane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 I had a thought. What if the Jets are playing 4d chess? Think about it.. that team has more holes than a dollar store umbrella. They just signed 2 solid quarterbacks in McCown and Bridgewater. What if they took the third pick...but have it open to trades to acquire more picks in the first round? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, DriveFor1Outta5 said: Yes we are, but it looks like at 12. Once again, the Bills might fail to make the move necessary for a top QB. Very reminiscent of Losman and Manuel. I’m just very skeptical now. We had more to offer the Colts than the Jets did. It looks like Beane might really be staying at 12. It would be a big mistake imo. You don’t trade away half your franchise to stay at number 12, hoping someone falls to you. Cordy Glenn is a talent lineman, they don’t come around everyday. In my opinion, you better end up with a top QB when you mortgaged the present for a better future. Half your franchise? Exaggerate much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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