co_springs_billsfan Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 It takes a few days to set up a side business owned by the player that the team can "hire" to avoid the salary cap. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 I just posted the numbers in the Bills 2018 Salary Cap Thread. Beane did a good job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: I feel like we over paid but we were in desperate need of a run stuffing DT that can push the pocket. McD familiarity with him can only be a positive. You are right, too bad that McDermott and Beane didn’t know much about him before offering him that money... id like to believe that both would know exactly how they want to use Lotulelei and would offer him $ appropriate for that role. Edited March 16, 2018 by OldTimer1960 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 24 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said: You are right, too bad that McDermott and Beane didn’t know much about him before offering him that money... id like to believe that both would know exactly how they want to use Lotulelei and would offer him $ appropriate for that role. The only thing that matter is the guaranteed $. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 I don't know, it's the one signing I'm not a big fan of. It's a need but I don't think he's worth that money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Should’ve signed suh for that price tag. I like Star for what he is. A big strong body that takes up blocks, but I think that’s a little steep. Sometimes you have to overpay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 9 hours ago, Cash said: Could be. I'll say closer to 10mil a year, but not much over. Nailed it. 12 minutes ago, NewEra said: Should’ve signed suh for that price tag. I like Star for what he is. A big strong body that takes up blocks, but I think that’s a little steep. Sometimes you have to overpay. They clearly wanted a nose tackle space eater type though, which Suh isn't. You could make a case that thy should've gone after Dontari Poe, who got $27 million over 3 years. I kinda think Poe is better, but what do I know? I'm not much of an "appeal to authority" guy, but I really do give the Bills the benefit of the doubt on this one. Both McDermott and Beane have a lot of familiarity with Star, and it's really hard for outside observers (PFF, etc) to quantify the effect of the space eater NT. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 (edited) That’s the price you gotta pay In free agency. Sucks but just the way it is. Edited March 16, 2018 by CaptnCoke11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Wade’s got Dad jokes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 13 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Wade’s got Dad jokes Love Wade's dry sense of humor. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 30 minutes ago, Cash said: Nailed it. They clearly wanted a nose tackle space eater type though, which Suh isn't. You could make a case that thy should've gone after Dontari Poe, who got $27 million over 3 years. I kinda think Poe is better, but what do I know? I'm not much of an "appeal to authority" guy, but I really do give the Bills the benefit of the doubt on this one. Both McDermott and Beane have a lot of familiarity with Star, and it's really hard for outside observers (PFF, etc) to quantify the effect of the space eater NT. Well it might be difficult to quantify but Poe was ranked high and one of top fa dt on pff. Star ranked near the bottom, 30 fa dts ahead of him and only 4 lower. Poe signed for less money. This strikes me as a Panthercentric thing like Tolbert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Cash said: Nailed it. They clearly wanted a nose tackle space eater type though, which Suh isn't. You could make a case that thy should've gone after Dontari Poe, who got $27 million over 3 years. I kinda think Poe is better, but what do I know? I'm not much of an "appeal to authority" guy, but I really do give the Bills the benefit of the doubt on this one. Both McDermott and Beane have a lot of familiarity with Star, and it's really hard for outside observers (PFF, etc) to quantify the effect of the space eater NT. Poe didn’t have a great year with Atlanta. Poe’s back looks to be a chronic issue at this point. I will take Star for a million more a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Turk71 said: Well it might be difficult to quantify but Poe was ranked high and one of top fa dt on pff. Star ranked near the bottom, 30 fa dts ahead of him and only 4 lower. Poe signed for less money. This strikes me as a Panthercentric thing like Tolbert. Yeah, maybe. But Tolbert wasn't a guy McDermott coached directly, and was signed to a 1 year deal for low money. Clearly was brought in as much for "culture" as for play. I think McDermott even said as such when Tolbert signed. (How he wound up getting featured in quick slants and speed options is beyond me.) Lotulelei was a starter for McDermott's D for several years, and signed a 5 year deal that makes him basically uncuttable for a couple years. He definitely fits into the culture, but he was clearly signed to be a key starter on the defensive front. My hope is that McDermott has a good understanding of what that front needs, and how Lotulelei can provide it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 39 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: Poe didn’t have a great year with Atlanta. Poe’s back looks to be a chronic issue at this point. I will take Star for a million more a year. You are right. I thought Poe was rated high on pff but he was not. Only a little higher than Star. If you check out their fa tracker and line the dt up by rating this is the top of the list: Suh, Unrein ,Richardson. DaQuan Jones, Ellis, Wilkerson, Ngata, Kyle Williams in top ten. Lotu was 31st. Pff not a definitive ranking by any means, but to be so far from the top of just the free agents has gotta say something about his play. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 (edited) 15 hours ago, billsbackto81 said: Hope you're right. I'd hate to think its because their embarrassed they overpaid for 1 dimensional DT. He plays the 0 or 1 technique, aka the nose tackle, that's his job...I suggest you learn football before saying silly stuff that makes you look clueless. His job is to hold up a double team from the guard/center and keep linebackers clean so they can flow to the ball. Why do you think Thomas Davis and Luke Keuchley kept going to pro bowls? He keeps those guys clean and he does it as good as anyone in the league. That's his job...any pass rush he gets is a bonus. Edited March 16, 2018 by matter2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 3 hours ago, ColoradoBills said: Love Wade's dry sense of humor. Have you heard John Murphy's (no relation to our new DE) impression of Wade? Truly, surprisingly amusing. He shared a short bit of it on the air some time in the last year; sounded like something he had honed in private back in the late 90s. I'd look for a clip of it if I was more useful. You'll have to forgive me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderGun Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 While I'm not thrilled with the cap hit, one can only assume Star played an integral role in McDermott's defenses, and it goes beyond any metric used on PFF. He and Beane simply weren't going to dick around trying to save a few bucks while hoping somebody else could fill the role/learn the concepts the way they KNOW Lotulelei can. Trust the Process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simool Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 (edited) 22 minutes ago, ThunderGun said: While I'm not thrilled with the cap hit, one can only assume Star played an integral role in McDermott's defenses, and it goes beyond any metric used on PFF. He and Beane simply weren't going to dick around trying to save a few bucks while hoping somebody else could fill the role/learn the concepts the way they KNOW Lotulelei can. Trust the Process. Meh, his contract is ranked 17th from a cap hit perspective for defensive tackles. He is a space eater, stays healthy, and will keep people off meatball which damn near killed the old man late last season. Sportrac had his market value at 8.5 mil prior to signing. Excluding the signing bonus, this contract is pretty much on target with that. Not bad for a former 14th overall draft choice. Edited March 16, 2018 by simool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 7 hours ago, BuffaloSkills said: i wish I got bonuses for showing up and being employed. super peanut butter and jelly If would if you were an entertainer at the top of your profession and could fill arenas, theatres, or amphitheaters, for shows/performances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 18 hours ago, MAJBobby said: I am guessing right around 8.5M a year Oof that's a lot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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