Mr. WEO Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, thebandit27 said: The NextGenStats do not support your opinion on Goff and the deep ball. He also throws into tight coverage less than all but 4 other qualifying QBs (out of 41) Deep ball isn't necessarily thrown in tight coverage. Next Gen also tell you that Completed Air Yards "how far the ball is being thrown downfield" Goff is slightly higher than TT. Edited March 13, 2018 by Mr. WEO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said: If he had signed with SF, I would take the over on 1200 yards and 10TDs as he would be the focal point there and I think he could eclipse 1400 yards with Jimmy G in SF personally. In KC, they have a young QB and a stud dual threat RB, so I dont expect them to be as pass heavy as Jimmy G led Niners will be. Plus they got great weapons with Kelce and Hill. So I think a more reasonable expectation for Sammy signing to be a big success this year (assuming Mahomes doesn't totally flop as a WR isnt going to have a good year if a QB cant get him the ball) is in the ball park of 75rec, 1100 yards and 6 to 8 TD's. There is still only one football to go around all those playmakers with an unproven QB to get it to them all. Kelce is a big Redzone threat and so is hunt both running and receiving. Sammy is too, but he wont be the only focal point in the Redzone like he would be more in SF. Plus Hill rips long TD's too, so I think his TD expectation will drop just because that offense has so many scoring threats. And having Sammy will make the jobs of Kelce, Hunt, and Hill easier too because the D needs to account for everyone as they can all hurt you bad. KC should be fun to watch next year unless Mahomes blows. I don’t disagree with what you’re saying, but don’t you think the Chiefs want at least 75, 1200 and 8 if they are paying him 16 per year? Thats solid number 1 receiver money and they must obviously think he’s going to produce at a very high level . If he rips it I will shut up about Watkins and will eat crow, but I don’t think he’s going to get those numbers I listed above. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 5 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: I was referring to their stats. Passes over 20 and 40 yards. Most people incorrectly use that stat or the wrong stat. Rams had a lot of short passes that went over those lengths which is different than throwing the ball that far in the air before it lands with a WR. I watched every Rams game as its my number 2 team and had several Bills on it and they always play here in LA after the Bills play. I got as much Rams gear as I do Bills gear now that they are back here in LA. I can say this...Goff is no Wentz. McVay is very good at his job and played to his strengths and tried to avoid his weaknesses. And he is not a good deep ball thrower which often have way too much air on them or the WR needs to make big adjustments. He hit a lot of guys who were wide open on blown coverage, but he is not good at making covered deep ball passes as they are often way off the mark. Kid is young, so plenty of upside, but he made his bread and butter on short to intermediate routes. Which is fine, and I think smart by the coach to build his confidence up and accuracy. But when he threw down field it often was not pretty unless the WR was running free which Rams did a good job getting those opportunities with ingenuity of McVay and all the weapons they had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KollegeStudnet Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 6 hours ago, H2o said: And if Watkins just got $16,000,000 per then I bet Beckham gets his $20,000,000. That's a lot of pizza and cocaine money. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 51 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Journeyman WR who is 24 years old and yet just got paid $16M per year? Geezus the nonsense of our fan base somehow always still shocks me. Sammy is a legit #1 WR, the NFL knows it, DC's know it when they doubled Sammy every game and put their best corners on him all season this year, and depth charts always know it. Butt hurt Bills fans who didn't like the trade up now GROSSLY over exaggerate him to make them feel right about not liking the trade up. But I assure you, the rest of the NFL does NOT agree with you. Just like people here said NO ONE would trade for Tyrod, yet multiple teams were interested. They said NO ONE would give more than a 7th rounder, yet they got a premium draft pick. The absurdity that people here go to try and falsely prove their never ending negativity gets old. ...that refrain should be repeated 10 times daily.....am a bit surprised at Sammy's deal..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Yikes is right! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 7 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Most people incorrectly use that stat or the wrong stat. Rams had a lot of short passes that went over those lengths which is different than throwing the ball that far in the air before it lands with a WR. I watched every Rams game as its my number 2 team and had several Bills on it and they always play here in LA after the Bills play. I got as much Rams gear as I do Bills gear now that they are back here in LA. I can say this...Goff is no Wentz. McVay is very good at his job and played to his strengths and tried to avoid his weaknesses. And he is not a good deep ball thrower which often have way too much air on them or the WR needs to make big adjustments. He hit a lot of guys who were wide open on blown coverage, but he is not good at making covered deep ball passes as they are often way off the mark. Kid is young, so plenty of upside, but he made his bread and butter on short to intermediate routes. Which is fine, and I think smart by the coach to build his confidence up and accuracy. But when he threw down field it often was not pretty unless the WR was running free which Rams did a good job getting those opportunities with ingenuity of McVay and all the weapons they had. I'm not equating Goff to Wentz, at all. I'm sayin that the notion that Goff was holding him back because he "doesn't throw the long ball", like TT or even Orton is not a valid argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 6 minutes ago, KollegeStudnet said: That's a lot of pizza and cocaine money. Pizza, weed, cocaine, and skripper money 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, billsfan11 said: I don’t disagree with what you’re saying, but don’t you think the Chiefs want at least 75, 1200 and 8 if they are paying him 16 per year? Thats solid number 1 receiver money and they must obviously think he’s going to produce at a very high level . If he rips it I will shut up about Watkins and will eat crow, but I don’t think he’s going to get those numbers I listed above. I get what you are saying, and they are fair and reasonable points. But my answer to that is no. What the Chiefs want are wins. They dont care who puts up what stat, they paid Sammy $16M a year to make the offense better, not to be a force fed stat machine. And Andy Reid has never done that. Sammy significantly opens up this offense. Hill is small and not a true #1. He is a guy whose stats are reliant on big plays, not a guy they can lean on for key first downs just because he doesn't have the size to do so. Kelce is a TE, but because they dont have a legit #1 they often double Kelce in those situations. Then you got Hunt, but once teams started stacking the box to stop Hunt, KC went away from the run game as much and were forced to try and win throwing. But if Hill doesn't get the big play, the Chiefs offense went stagnant and they had a skid until they found a way to get Hunt going again. Them adding Sammy isnt about having one guy be a stat machine. They have one of the best 2 TE's in football. They have what looks like a future top 5 RB (need to see his sophomore season to really know, one year doesn't make a career), and one of the most explosive weapons in the NFL in Hill. What they want is production from all of them, being one dimensional is not how you win in the NFL. Not to mention, KC isnt going to try and put too much on their kid QB out the gate either. They want to use him like the Rams used Goff...balanced attack, build the kid up. Hunt is a similar player to Gurley...power, explosion, and can catch. Take the pressure off the kid. Look at how good the Rams offense was, yet no one had 1000 yards receiving, or even 800 yards. Its not about his stat box, its about scoring points and winning games. So no, I dont think there is some predetermined stat line for Sammy unless there are injuries to the other weapons and they lean on Sammy. 75 rec and 1100 yards would be over 14ypc, I am pretty sure they will be quite thrilled with that to go along with good seasons from Kelce, Hill, and Hunt. Edited March 13, 2018 by Alphadawg7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 It's almost as if Kansas City knows talent when they see a bunch of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 4 hours ago, HappyDays said: Alex Smith was the best deep ball passer in the league last year: https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-most-accurate-deep-ball-passers-in-2017 It is a near certainty that their deep passing game will not be as good this year. Which makes the decision to trade Smith and force Mahomes into the starting role all the more baffling. Its the Tyrod argument...the ball doesnt go downfield as much as it should...saying you complete 80% of your passes because the ball never travels more than 5 yards downfield leaves out the context of why. Stats are meaningless without context. In this context Smith didnt throw the ball downfield as much as they would have liked him to or when shots were available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Alphadawg7 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: I'm not equating Goff to Wentz, at all. I'm sayin that the notion that Goff was holding him back because he "doesn't throw the long ball", like TT or even Orton is not a valid argument. But I again disagree with that. Sammy was open a lot and never got a ball thrown his way, that just was not the Rams offense. They strictly used Sammy as mostly just a deep threat, a Mike Wallace type route tree. Goff strength was not the deep pass and McVay designed a brilliant offense to cater to the underneath, short, and intermediate routes with a plethora of weapons to do so. You cant catch what isnt thrown...just like many people here were yelling throw the ball at Tyrod all season, I was yelling throw the ball to Sammy all year because he was so often open, but Goff wasn't even looking his direction and just took all the open easy throws underneath by design. Which was brilliant by McVay, but people here talk like Sammy couldn't get open or dropped everything. As a WR you can only catch what is thrown to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 7 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: 3 years, $48M, $16M a year Those of you that said he’d get less than $10M a year its time to eat crow... Ha ha, thank you. I’ve already come to be told I was right. Ha ha Damn, that's a lot of money for him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: I get what you are saying, and they are fair and reasonable points. But my answer to that is no. What the Chiefs want are wins. They dont care who puts up what stat, they paid Sammy $16M a year to make the offense better, not to be a force fed stat machine. And Andy Reid has never done that. Sammy significantly opens up this offense. Hill is small and not a true #1. He is a guy whose stats are reliant on big plays, not a guy they can lean on for key first downs just because he doesn't have the size to do so. Kelce is a TE, but because they dont have a legit #1 they often double Kelce in those situations. Then you got Hunt, but once teams started stacking the box to stop Hunt, KC went away from the run game as much and were forced to try and win throwing. But if Hill doesn't get the big play, the Chiefs offense went stagnant and they had a skid until they found a way to get Hunt going again. Them adding Sammy isnt about having one guy be a stat machine. They have one of the best 2 TE's in football. They have what looks like a future top 5 RB (need to see his sophomore season to really know, one year doesn't make a career), and one of the most explosive weapons in the NFL in Hill. What they want is production from all of them, being one dimensional is not how you win in the NFL. Not to mention, KC isnt going to try and put too much on their kid QB out the gate either. They want to use him like the Rams used Goff...balanced attack, build the kid up. Hunt is a similar player to Gurley...power, explosion, and can catch. Take the pressure off the kid. Look at how good the Rams offense was, yet no one had 1000 yards receiving, or even 800 yards. Its not about his stat box, its about scoring points and winning games. So no, I dont think there is some predetermined stat line for Sammy unless there are injuries to the other weapons and they lean on Sammy. 75 rec and 1100 yards would be over 14ypc, I am pretty sure they will be quite thrilled with that to go along with good seasons from Kelce, Hill, and Hunt. Like always, good post even though I don’t necessarily agree 100 percent on this one. He should make their offence better as he’s a descent player. No argument there. But for 16 mil per year, i personally think that’s a lot of money to spend on a receiver if he doesn’t produce big numbers and make the offence a lot better at the same time. Only time will tell. Either way, their offence definitely got better today by adding Watkins. How much better in relation to that big cap hit will be the question. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 6 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: It's almost as if Kansas City knows talent when they see a bunch of it. What have they won exactly? The offseason? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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HappyDays Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 8 minutes ago, matter2003 said: Its the Tyrod argument...the ball doesnt go downfield as much as it should...saying you complete 80% of your passes because the ball never travels more than 5 yards downfield leaves out the context of why. Alex Smith ranked 1st in total yards on deep throws, 1st in adjusted completion percentage, and 1st in passer rating. He was 11th in percentage of throws that went deep. He also ranked 2nd in total YPA on all throws. If the Chiefs plan to somehow push the ball downfield more than he did they're in for a rude awakening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Just now, billsfan11 said: Like always, good post even though I don’t necessarily agree 100 percent on this one. He should make their offence better as he’s a descent player. No argument there. But for 16 mil per year, i personally think that’s a lot of money to spend on a receiver if he doesn’t produce big numbers and make the offence a lot better at the same time. Only time will tell. Either way, their offence definitely got better today by adding Watkins. How much better in relation to that big cap hit will be the question. All good, and as always I enjoy the discussion with you even if our opinions dont align totally on this one. After all, they are just opinions I think it was you that said a little while ago that the contract doesn't dictate the talent level. Which is very fair point, and I agree with you. But my counter point to you will be that the stat box also doesn't always dictate talent either. At the end of the day, a players circumstances often significantly impact production. For instance, Gurley was bad his sophomore year behind bad coaching, bad OL, and bad QB play. Rams address OL, Coach, and QB and instantly Gurley is a stud again. A WR is even more impacted because he needs a second player for him to produce...a QB who is throwing them the ball. A WR needs opportunities that depend on both scheme, play calling and a QB. Chiefs gave Sammy a contract on his talent not his stat box. And if you watch the tape on Sammy with the Rams, he had a much bigger impact to the success of that team than just the stat box, especially for the young QB. Goff had so many easy throws with so many weapons spreading the D out and Sammy getting doubled and drawing the best DB. Chiefs I bet are hoping to do the same thing for Mahomes, create easier opportunities by stacking the weapons on all levels of the field. I do expect Sammy to be used more by Andy though, especially since he will be there the whole offseason to be built into the offense and develop rapport with Mahomes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said: Lol, I am not the one who is butt hurt...fans here still whining over the trade up 4 years ago are the butt hurt ones who cant let it go. Just like Whitner...he was always a better player than he got credit for, but all we heard was ridiculous whining his whole career, even when he wasn't a Bill anymore all because the Bills took him over Ngata (which was a stupid move by the Bills for sure, but not Whitners fault). The whining over spilt milk gets old...Sammy is legit, and if you weren't so butt hurt you would know it. And if he wasn't then you would be coaching the Chiefs instead of Andy Reid. He's 24. 3rd team. I don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 14 minutes ago, inaugural balls said: He's 24. 3rd team. I don't know. Huh? First team traded, for a good price too because Beane said they didn't think they could resign him. Then Sammy took a $16M deal in Free Agency, a price the Rams cant pay with money already invested in Woods and a bad contract with Austin. So how does that make him a journeyman? You act like teams are cutting him lmao. A player choosing where to sign does not make him a journeyman. Only one team sent him away, and Beane said it was strictly based on not being able to afford what he would command, which was true as he wasn't gonna pay a WR $16M. And he got back a 2nd and a good DB in the trade. I think you have a skewed definition of what a journeyman player is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Just now, Alphadawg7 said: Huh? First team traded, for a good price too because Beane said they didn't think they could resign him. Then Sammy took a $16M deal in Free Agency, a price the Rams cant pay with money already invested in Woods and a bad contract with Austin. So how does that make him a journeyman? You act like teams are cutting him lmao. A player choosing where to sign does not make him a journeyman. Only one team sent him away, and Beane said it was strictly based on not being able to afford what he would command, which was true as he wasn't gonna pay a WR $16M. And he got back a 2nd and a good DB in the trade. I think you have a skewed definition of what a journeyman player is. Perhaps. Let's review to be clear. 2 teams felt the need to move on from him. Maybe....just maybe KC is more accepting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 (edited) 42 minutes ago, inaugural balls said: Perhaps. Let's review to be clear. 2 teams felt the need to move on from him. Maybe....just maybe KC is more accepting. Except what you just said isnt true or accurate. Sammy choosing to sign with KC is not the Rams "moving on" from hm. Seems you not only struggle to understand what a "journeyman" player is, but also struggle with what the term "Free Agency" means. Edited March 13, 2018 by Alphadawg7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrizzReaper Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 I keep reading Sammy is a deep threat.... That guy can run any route in the tree and pretty good at that. So I can't really say Goff didn't get him the ball enough due to his deep ball crappiness. He must've been running the deep routes bc he was obviously the best WR to run those routes for LA. He can run any route plus has the speed to burn you deep. He draws double coverage... Period. He's going to have a good few years in KC now that he isn't the only pony on the team that can burn guys deep. It'll open things up for him. I think he's going to finally breakout down there in K.C. The talent is there like it or not... NFL people can see that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 3 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: But I again disagree with that. Sammy was open a lot and never got a ball thrown his way, that just was not the Rams offense. . Why won't anyone throw to an open Sammy? 1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said: Except what you just said isnt true or accurate. Sammy choosing to sign with KC is not the Rams "moving on" from hm. Seems you not only struggle to understand what a "journeyman" player is, but also struggle with what the term "Free Agency" means. They made no effort to keep him. So they moved on without Sammy. I don't think this is a tough one to conceive of... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said: Why won't anyone throw to an open Sammy? They made no effort to keep him. So they moved on without Sammy. I don't think this is a tough one to conceive of... Rams not being able to match what KC is not the Rams "moving on"...its not like these teams have endless cap space man, come on, I know you understand that as you are a good poster. Rams paid Woods and have a bad contract in Austin. Not to mention a ton of weapons and other needs. A team cant keep investing a massive part of their cap in one position. They got Woods and Austin deals before Sammy was a Ram. They wanted to keep him and KC paid top dollar and Sammy took the bigger contract and went to a good situation with another offensive minded coach. More importantly Woods, Kupp, and the other weapons there are still deep and cheap allowing the Rams to spend more around the team. They were never going to pay him, or any WR for that matter, $16M per year once Kupp and Woods emerged as cheaper and still very effective players. This is so far from being a "journeyman" career...free agency gave the player the right to choose. Painting it to be the other way around is just trying to create a narrative to fit ones negative opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Rams not being able to match what KC is not the Rams "moving on"...its not like these teams have endless cap space man, come on, I know you understand that as you are a good poster. Rams paid Woods and have a bad contract in Austin. Not to mention a ton of weapons and other needs. A team cant keep investing a massive part of their cap in one position. They got Woods and Austin deals before Sammy was a Ram. They wanted to keep him and KC paid top dollar and Sammy took the bigger contract and went to a good situation with another offensive minded coach. More importantly Woods, Kupp, and the other weapons there are still deep and cheap allowing the Rams to spend more around the team. They were never going to pay him, or any WR for that matter, $16M per year once Kupp and Woods emerged as cheaper and still very effective players. This is so far from being a "journeyman" career...free agency gave the player the right to choose. Painting it to be the other way around is just trying to create a narrative to fit ones negative opinion. They could have franchised him. There was speculation that they would. But as you clearly pointed out, the cheaper and talented rest of the WR corps made him non vital. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 8 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: They could have franchised him. There was speculation that they would. But as you clearly pointed out, the cheaper and talented rest of the WR corps made him non vital. LMAO Franchise tag is $15.98M for a WR...you know the same $16M KC just paid him. Not to mention, Rams will likely get a 3rd pick by not keeping Sammy...so franchising Sammy would cost them $16M and a 3rd round pick...for a team that already has a lot of money invested in WR's. Come on man...you say that as if franchise salaries dont count against the cap lol. Geezus. I get it, you don't like Sammy so you want to spin everything to be negative to serve your dislike. Its nonsense, but hey, if it helps you sleep at night to believe someone gave up on Sammy instead of Sammy taking the bigger contract in free agency, then go right ahead bud. Senseless to discuss it further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 19 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: LMAO Franchise tag is $15.98M for a WR...you know the same $16M KC just paid him. Not to mention, Rams will likely get a 3rd pick by not keeping Sammy...so franchising Sammy would cost them $16M and a 3rd round pick...for a team that already has a lot of money invested in WR's. Come on man...you say that as if franchise salaries dont count against the cap lol. Geezus. I get it, you don't like Sammy so you want to spin everything to be negative to serve your dislike. Its nonsense, but hey, if it helps you sleep at night to believe someone gave up on Sammy instead of Sammy taking the bigger contract in free agency, then go right ahead bud. Senseless to discuss it further. Exactly. Same amount to keep him for a year. If the Rams really wanted to keep him, months ago they would have been able to do so for less than 48 million over 3 years. They didn't think he was worth it and, again, as you pointed out, he had more value as a potential future pick and less money on their cap. Spin it whatever way you want----the Rams moved on from Sammy. He cashed in--good for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: Except what you just said isnt true or accurate. Sammy choosing to sign with KC is not the Rams "moving on" from hm. Seems you not only struggle to understand what a "journeyman" player is, but also struggle with what the term "Free Agency" means. Let's just say two teams decided he wasn't important enough to keep around. Maybe KC he can settle in - you know- prove his worth. Feel better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Just be thankful we have a GM smarter than this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 4 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: I get what you are saying, and they are fair and reasonable points. But my answer to that is no. What the Chiefs want are wins. They dont care who puts up what stat, they paid Sammy $16M a year to make the offense better, not to be a force fed stat machine. And Andy Reid has never done that. Sammy significantly opens up this offense. Hill is small and not a true #1. He is a guy whose stats are reliant on big plays, not a guy they can lean on for key first downs just because he doesn't have the size to do so. Kelce is a TE, but because they dont have a legit #1 they often double Kelce in those situations. Then you got Hunt, but once teams started stacking the box to stop Hunt, KC went away from the run game as much and were forced to try and win throwing. But if Hill doesn't get the big play, the Chiefs offense went stagnant and they had a skid until they found a way to get Hunt going again. Them adding Sammy isnt about having one guy be a stat machine. They have one of the best 2 TE's in football. They have what looks like a future top 5 RB (need to see his sophomore season to really know, one year doesn't make a career), and one of the most explosive weapons in the NFL in Hill. What they want is production from all of them, being one dimensional is not how you win in the NFL. Not to mention, KC isnt going to try and put too much on their kid QB out the gate either. They want to use him like the Rams used Goff...balanced attack, build the kid up. Hunt is a similar player to Gurley...power, explosion, and can catch. Take the pressure off the kid. Look at how good the Rams offense was, yet no one had 1000 yards receiving, or even 800 yards. Its not about his stat box, its about scoring points and winning games. So no, I dont think there is some predetermined stat line for Sammy unless there are injuries to the other weapons and they lean on Sammy. 75 rec and 1100 yards would be over 14ypc, I am pretty sure they will be quite thrilled with that to go along with good seasons from Kelce, Hill, and Hunt. Tyreek Hill (5' 10" 185 lbs) too small? Not a true #1 because he's too small? Antonio Brown (5" 10" 186lbs) says hello. You're freaking brilliant. Anyway, I see you're getting out in front with the excuses for Sammy. You know, it's not about the stats.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 4 minutes ago, inaugural balls said: Tyreek Hill (5' 10" 185 lbs) too small? Not a true #1 because he's too small? Antonio Brown (5" 10" 186lbs) says hello. You're freaking brilliant. Anyway, I see you're getting out in front with the excuses for Sammy. You know, it's not about the stats.... Lmao...so everyone who matches in size is now comparable hahaha...Antonio is one of the most gifted WR's to ever play in our generation and will finish his career as one of the statistical greatest ever and will likely be seen by most people as top 10 or top 5 ever to play the game. There are ALWAYS players who exceed their limitations. Tyreek Hill is NOT Antonio Brown, at least not yet. Kid has a lot ahead of him, but he is no AB right now. Its rare a WR that size becomes a true #1 to lean on, and the way they do is by being exceptional in the other areas where size doesn't matter...speed, route running, hands, etc. Steve Smith was another gifted WR in a smaller package...it happens, but its not the norm. Hill can absolutely succeed in the NFL at that height, and is, but KC clearly felt having another guy bigger than him would only help Hill and the Chiefs be better and bet $16M per year on that. And again...KC just paid Sammy the #1 WR money...so guess they see things differently than you too. Keep spinning your biased arm chair GM stuff while the NFL keeps telling you different, DC's who double Sammy and put best corner on him tell you different, teams giving up a lot to get Sammy tell you different, his contract and depth chart ranking tells you different. But then again...your on TSW, so guess your stuff means more than what the NFL thinks...lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 5 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Lmao...so everyone who matches in size is now comparable hahaha...Antonio is one of the most gifted WR's to ever play in our generation and will finish his career as one of the statistical greatest ever and will likely be seen by most people as top 10 or top 5 ever to play the game. There are ALWAYS players who exceed their limitations. Tyreek Hill is NOT Antonio Brown, at least not yet. Kid has a lot ahead of him, but he is no AB right now. Its rare a WR that size becomes a true #1 to lean on, and the way they do is by being exceptional in the other areas where size doesn't matter...speed, route running, hands, etc. Steve Smith was another gifted WR in a smaller package...it happens, but its not the norm. Hill can absolutely succeed in the NFL at that height, and is, but KC clearly felt having another guy bigger than him would only help Hill and the Chiefs be better and bet $16M per year on that. And again...KC just paid Sammy the #1 WR money...so guess they see things differently than you too. Keep spinning your biased arm chair GM stuff while the NFL keeps telling you different, DC's who double Sammy and put best corner on him tell you different, teams giving up a lot to get Sammy tell you different, his contract and depth chart ranking tells you different. But then again...your on TSW, so guess your stuff means more than what the NFL thinks...lol Hey know-it-all.....you're the one who said Hill couldn't be leaned on because of his size. Let's get back to Sammy. He's a good player. He has NOT lived up to his billing. He is on his 3rd team at his ripe old age. He has an excellent opportunity to be the man in KC. Let's see if he can distinguish himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 9 minutes ago, inaugural balls said: Hey know-it-all.....you're the one who said Hill couldn't be leaned on because of his size. Let's get back to Sammy. He's a good player. He has NOT lived up to his billing. He is on his 3rd team at his ripe old age. He has an excellent opportunity to be the man in KC. Let's see if he can distinguish himself. Lol, I am only addressing things you send to me...call it or me what you want. You called Watkins a journeyman which started this in the first place. And thats just a silly statement to call a guy because he got a max contract type deal and chose to sign somewhere else. But finally the rest of your post is something I can agree with. So lets see what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said: Lol, I am only addressing things you send to me...call it or me what you want. You called Watkins a journeyman which started this in the first place. And thats just a silly statement to call a guy because he got a max contract type deal and chose to sign somewhere else. But finally the rest of your post is something I can agree with. So lets see what happens. Saluti! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 6 minutes ago, inaugural balls said: Saluti! Ditto...GO BILLS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 DRAFT@PlayDraft 10h Sammy Watkins is basically a human Ponzi scheme, he has cost teams two 1st round picks, a 2nd, a 4th, and ~$70m, and no investors have been paid back 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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26CornerBlitz Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 The three-year deal signed by receiver Sammy Watkins with the Chiefs is as simple as a contract can be. The details appear below. 1. $21 million signing bonus. 2. 2018 base salary (fully guaranteed): $790,000. 3. 2019 base salary ($8.21 million of which is fully guaranteed): $11.95 million. 4. 2020 base salary: $13.75 million. The deal also has a $10,000 workout bonus this year, along with $250,000 workout bonuses in 2019 and 2020. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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