corta765 Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 37 minutes ago, Steptide said: I do agree that bledsoe wasn't great. However, what mularky did with the bills was good and the team was on the rise. That 04 team had a ton of talent and I have no doubt that we wouldve been better in 05 with bledsoe. I think the front office was the biggest issue. The bills did not draft qbs nearly as much as they needed to. Losman, Edwards, Fitz, Ej. Other than Ej, the bills never took a 1st round qb after losman. That is truly absurd Agreed. And with Bledsoe and Fitz they moved on far too soon. Both times the team was better with those guys at QB and letting JP/EJ sit and get seasoned like that, but instead cut them for money reasons and to had the new car to a shiny new guy who had no experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsSbSoon Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Wasnt he really miserable when he was traded here? Couldve sworn i read before he used to drink JD while watching film lol. Anyways he fell apart after the first half of '02 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Bledsoe got off to a great start in Buffalo(2nd game...OT road win against the Vikings). Overall, despite having some great weapons in Moulds, Price and Evans, his Buffalo stay had more downs than ups. His lack of mobility and bad decision making had a big part in that. 3 seasons... 55 TD's, 43 INT's & 140 sacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mopreme Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: Bledsoe got off to a great start in Buffalo(2nd game...OT road win against the Vikings). Overall, despite having some great weapons in Moulds, Price and Evans, his Buffalo stay had more downs than ups. His lack of mobility and bad decision making had a big part in that. 3 seasons... 55 TD's, 43 INT's & 140 sacks. Now that was a very nice receiving core. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 11 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Kelly Holcomb was better than Bledsoe here. Keeping Bledsoe for that 2005 season would've done absolutely nothing. The defense fell off a cliff that year thanks to some questionable personnel decisions by Donahoe in the offseason which ultimately got him fired. That's not the point and you can't judge everything in a prism. Bledsoe being let go was part of a system of moves by the Bills stemming back to where they let Peerless Price go where the Bills didn't want to pay to keep a lot of good players and were trying to get young. I will defend the younger part, but the Bills were notorious at the time for being cheap and not willing to bring in talent/keep it over a certain $ tag. Truthfully I have no clue with Bledsoe would've been that much of an increase but I do believe he would've been better the JP who like EJ I really wish they took more time to let set and learn. I am a believer with a guy like Bledsoe who was a leader despite declining skills you probably would've seen at least a better team W/L wise. QB's are the face of a team and with rookies it takes time for them to learn that stuff. The worst thing with Donahoe's failure is it scared Ralph for a few years from bringing in outside help at a time where they desperately need a fresh set of eyes. 05-09 IMO was the worst part of the drought with how irrelevant the team was and how badly they drafted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 3 hours ago, BuffAlone said: Not that I recall. But its there to see if interested. Nobody wants to come to Buffalo, until they're here. Then they want to stay. Funny how that's always worked lol To those who don't know Buffalo it's not seen positively. have always enjoyed my time in Buffalo for the hundreds of road trips for sporting events since the early 1970s and defend the city when required. So experience makes one wiser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 1 hour ago, hondo in seattle said: He was very good for the first half-season or so. He fell apart in the second half of the Raiders game and that was that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 3 hours ago, eball said: He had an understandable reaction when the Bills drafted Losman and basically pushed him out. That doesn't mean he isn't capable of reflection. He has had a right to feel pissed he was replaced with, well, JP Losman... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 (edited) I remember reading Bill Parcells book, years ago...sorry, can't recall the name. But, in it, he said that Buffalo was his favorite place to play, on the road. He said that it was the most unique place to play, and he wouid use his teams performance in Buffalo, as a gauge as to how good they really were. He said, even moreso than Green Bay, Buffalo just epitomized a hard-core football town. He said he always considered Buffalo as the "best football city" in the NFL. He said if a player couldn't get up for a game in Buffalo, he wasn't his kind of player, If they played well, he knew he had a good team..if they got toasted, he knew it was going to be a long season. Of course, as I recall, this was way back when Parcells was coaching the Jets, so a lot has happened since, 4 hours ago, hondo in seattle said: He was very good for the first half-season or so. I would argue that Bledsoe's first half of his first season in Buffalo was likely the best QB play we ever saw in Buffalo, even better than Kelly, But, he couldn't sustain it. I do think they should have held on to him for another season. If JP Losman was ever going to be ready to be a leigit NFL starter, it certainly wasn't the 2005 season. Edited February 7, 2018 by Buftex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Most ex Bills agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capco Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: "Started"?? Todd Collins, RJ, AVP, Flutie were all before Bledsoe. Fun Facts: In 6 fewer starts, TT won as many games and had only 4 fewer TDs than DB. He also had a better completion % (63 v. 59), far fewer INTs (16 v. 43!). TT's YPA was also better (7.2 v. 6.6). Bledsoe wasn't very good with the Bills. Tbf, that was a different era in football. I don’t think a 2004 version of TT puts up those numbers. Bledsoe set 10 franchise passing records in 2002. Edited February 7, 2018 by Capco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 6 hours ago, Steptide said: Imo, letting bledsoe leave set this team back 2 or 3 years. Had bledsoe stayed, we probably would've been alot better in 05 and 06. Bledsoe leaving started a bad history of qbs in Buffalo Agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 6 hours ago, Steptide said: Imo, letting bledsoe leave set this team back 2 or 3 years. Had bledsoe stayed, we probably would've been alot better in 05 and 06. Bledsoe leaving started a bad history of qbs in Buffalo Bledsoe was the start of the bad play. Assuming my numbers are right after the first 8 games in a Bills uniform Bledsoe was: 18-22, completed 57.87% of his passes, threw for 191.28 yards per game, 39 TDs, 38 INTs and lost 13 fumbles. He was sacked about a zillion times too and made no plays with his feet to offset it. He was a terrible QB that we thought was good because he was 6 years earlier. He was no better than Losman, Edwards or EJ after the 1st half of his 1st season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 4 hours ago, ScottLaw said: ? Bledsoe sucked. He should've been let go after that absolutely awful 2003 season. This. TD’s biggest mistake by far was extending him after 2003. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 13 minutes ago, Capco said: Tbf, that was a different era in football. I don’t think a 2004 version of TT puts up those numbers. Bledsoe set 10 franchise passing records in 2002. Come on, it was only 15 years ago. And 2002 wasn't even his best year--he did better back in 1994. In 2003 and 2004, Bledsoe averaged 460 attempts (it Bledsoe 610 attempts in 2002 to crack 4300 yards!!) for an average of 2900 yards. TT over 3 seasons averaged 412 attempts for an average of 2950 yds per year. The football wasn't heavier, nor was the earth's gravitational force more powerful 15 years ago. Bledsoe threw more often for fewer yards than TT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 5 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: "Started"?? Todd Collins, RJ, AVP, Flutie were all before Bledsoe. Fun Facts: In 6 fewer starts, TT won as many games and had only 4 fewer TDs than DB. He also had a better completion % (63 v. 59), far fewer INTs (16 v. 43!). TT's YPA was also better (7.2 v. 6.6). Bledsoe wasn't very good with the Bills. Amen. 2001 Bledsoe gets hurt in playoff game losing to Pittsburgh. Backup Tom Brady leads New England back to victory. Bledsoe is traded to Bills, costing us a 1st round pick. New England just played their 10th Superbowl. We just made playoffs for first time this millenium 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 (edited) 55 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Think you got your history a little backwards. The Bills didn't start becoming "cheap" until Donahoe was fired. After that Ralph was basically milking it until he died. And I agree he would've been better than JP Losman. That's not really saying a lot. The Bills still would've went no where that year because their defense was trash thanks to some crucial injuries and bad personnel decisions. My point was basically Bledsoe sucked and keeping him another year wouldn't have made a difference. They didn't resign Antoine Winfield because they felt he wasn't worth the money which resulted in Nate Clements pick. Clements was decent enough but Winfield was a far better and had a much longer career. Price was also not resigned because of money although at least they got a pick for him at the time. I would never say Ralph milked it because he did want to win but I think between the CBA agreement which he was firmly against and Donahoe not working out he became very very stubborn until the end. I remember the one off season when they spent like 90 million on offensive line help, but he wouldn't sign Jason Peters. In 2010 he did want Bill Cowher but Cowher didnt want to coach and the Bills were in a real shoty place roster wise. I think he just really didn't like the structure of contracts until the rookie wage scale came in. The time between post Donahoe 2006 to 2012 really stick out as the dark ages of irrelevance especially with the ownership uncertainty. Once they signed Mario Williams I think it finally signaled a fundamental shift in the organization to at least acting a bit like a 21st century football team. They still have a ways to go now and I would never say Mario Williams signing was a true success, but that really to me sticks out now as the end of the really dark days. Edited February 7, 2018 by corta765 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgia Bill Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 Didn't everyone start calling him "statue" because he got sacked so much, with no mobility? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde Smith Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 I still remember watching the draft when his trade was announced. I was in shock the whole day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moose Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 (edited) I never much cared for having Bledsoe come to Buffalo. As a QB for the Patriettes, he never scared me and always seemed beatable (unlike Mr. Bundchen). Anyway, someone gave me a bobblehead of Bledsoe in a Bills jersey. I kept it until, with little time left during a meaningful game, he threw a pass OUT OF BOUNDS on forth down! That's when I ran over that stupid bobblehead multiple times and tossed it in the trash with my dog's poop bags. BTW, I honestly wish the Bills organization would prohibit any player from wearing #11 - ever! Edited February 8, 2018 by Moose 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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