Buffalo716 Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 He is extremely talented... but I want to harp on 1 thing... He is listed at 6'3 210... most people I talk to who are very familiar with Lamar Jackson tell me that he isn't close to that weight they say he is probably closer to 185-190 pounds... that would be a HUGE problem. He wouldn't be able to play QB at that size in the NFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MJS Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 I don't watch college and don't know squat about any of them, but I am sick of running QB's. Whoever we take, they better be able to pass the freakin ball. And the defensive strategy against him better not be "force him to stay in the pocket and be a QB". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM57 Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 16 minutes ago, MJS said: I don't watch college and don't know squat about any of them, but I am sick of running QB's. Whoever we take, they better be able to pass the freakin ball. And the defensive strategy against him better not be "force him to stay in the pocket and be a QB". Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson, Andrew Luck and Cam Newton all say hello. They were unaware that you are only able to pass the ball well or run the ball well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 1 hour ago, JM57 said: Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson, Andrew Luck and Cam Newton all say hello. They were unaware that you are only able to pass the ball well or run the ball well I personally wouldn't classify Rodgers or Luck as running QBs they are QBs who just so happen to be very mobile and their is a difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuoteTheRaven83 Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 On 2/1/2018 at 2:51 PM, JM57 said: Lamar Jackson is a far better passer than Tim Tebow ever was. That's like saying a turtle is faster than a slug... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Ballin Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 This kid is the real deal. I hope we get him. Lamar Jackson would be the best QB we had since Jim Kelly. Forget Dahnold. I hate USC QBs. They don't work out except for Carson Palmer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Buddy Nix says Jackson is more of a guard than a tackle at the NFL level. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 (edited) On 2/2/2018 at 11:53 AM, BuffaloHokie13 said: Jackson: 12.04% Rosen: 11.01% Mayfield: 9.49% Rudolph: 9.15% Allen: 7.84% Darnold: 6.81% This should be freakin' stickied. 2 hours ago, KelsaysLunchbox said: Buddy Nix says Jackson is more of a guard than a tackle at the NFL level. I had that thought actually when I read those words from Polian: "Hell, No, He's not a guard!" 3 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: I personally wouldn't classify Rodgers or Luck as running QBs they are QBs who just so happen to be very mobile and their is a difference Agreed. I haven't seen enough of Luck to comment, but one thing that has always struck me about Rodgers and Brees (Brees!) is how freakin' teflon they are. They have this uncanny ability, while focused downfield, to sense pressure coming and make these tiny little adjustments that make would-be rushers miss. I read an interview once with Eli Manning where he said that was something that couldn't be taught, it was either an instinct you had or you didn't. I don't know if that's true. The claim is DeFilippo and Reich improved Foles pocket performance under pressure this year, so maybe it can be taught. Or maybe he had the right instinct but the wrong reaction? The thing that intrigues me about Jackson, now that I've watched some film on him, is that he does seem to have that ability to step up or duck or shift and make people miss. Sometimes he uses it to throw, and sometimes he uses it to change zip codes. But if it's true it can't be taught, that might be something to look at carefully. Rosen seems to have it a bit. He doesn't run very often but he seems to know when to step up or sidestep or roll out. 8 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: He is extremely talented... but I want to harp on 1 thing... He is listed at 6'3 210... most people I talk to who are very familiar with Lamar Jackson tell me that he isn't close to that weight they say he is probably closer to 185-190 pounds... that would be a HUGE problem. He wouldn't be able to play QB at that size in the NFL Someone said he was visibly heavier this year than last, so perhaps he can bulk up some, or did bulk up after your peeps knew him? How heavy is Rosen, really? They weigh them at the combine, yes? Edited February 23, 2018 by Hapless Bills Fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 8 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: This should be freakin' stickied. I had that thought actually when I read those words from Polian: "Hell, No, He's not a guard!" Agreed. I haven't seen enough of Luck to comment, but one thing that has always struck me about Rodgers and Brees (Brees!) is how freakin' teflon they are. They have this uncanny ability, while focused downfield, to sense pressure coming and make these tiny little adjustments that make would-be rushers miss. I read an interview once with Eli Manning where he said that was something that couldn't be taught, it was either an instinct you had or you didn't. I don't know if that's true. The claim is DeFilippo and Reich improved Foles pocket performance under pressure this year, so maybe it can be taught. Or maybe he had the right instinct but the wrong reaction? The thing that intrigues me about Jackson, now that I've watched some film on him, is that he does seem to have that ability to step up or duck or shift and make people miss. Sometimes he uses it to throw, and sometimes he uses it to change zip codes. But if it's true it can't be taught, that might be something to look at carefully. Rosen seems to have it a bit. He doesn't run very often but he seems to know when to step up or sidestep or roll out. I willl 100% agree that feeling pressure and stepping up in the pocket is 100% a natural trait... you either have it or you don't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM57 Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 6 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: I personally wouldn't classify Rodgers or Luck as running QBs they are QBs who just so happen to be very mobile and their is a difference Rodgers and Luck, when healthy, are consistently between roughly 4th and 8th in rushing yards by QBs every season, usually behind exactly who you would expect (Tyrod Taylor since 2015, Colin Kaepernick when he was starting, Alex Smith, Cam Newton and Russell Wilson most years) Yes, they are very mobile. They are also able to complete throws where many other guys would have to tuck and run. They absolutely have the ability to run for more yards than they do, but have incredible arm talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted February 23, 2018 Author Share Posted February 23, 2018 8 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: This should be freakin' stickied. I had that thought actually when I read those words from Polian: "Hell, No, He's not a guard!" Agreed. I haven't seen enough of Luck to comment, but one thing that has always struck me about Rodgers and Brees (Brees!) is how freakin' teflon they are. They have this uncanny ability, while focused downfield, to sense pressure coming and make these tiny little adjustments that make would-be rushers miss. I read an interview once with Eli Manning where he said that was something that couldn't be taught, it was either an instinct you had or you didn't. I don't know if that's true. The claim is DeFilippo and Reich improved Foles pocket performance under pressure this year, so maybe it can be taught. Or maybe he had the right instinct but the wrong reaction? The thing that intrigues me about Jackson, now that I've watched some film on him, is that he does seem to have that ability to step up or duck or shift and make people miss. Sometimes he uses it to throw, and sometimes he uses it to change zip codes. But if it's true it can't be taught, that might be something to look at carefully. Rosen seems to have it a bit. He doesn't run very often but he seems to know when to step up or sidestep or roll out. Someone said he was visibly heavier this year than last, so perhaps he can bulk up some, or did bulk up after your peeps knew him? How heavy is Rosen, really? They weigh them at the combine, yes? Yes, unless Rosen/Lamar skipped the combine for some reason, we'll learn exactly how much they weigh/how tall they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 8 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: This should be freakin' stickied. I had that thought actually when I read those words from Polian: "Hell, No, He's not a guard!" Agreed. I haven't seen enough of Luck to comment, but one thing that has always struck me about Rodgers and Brees (Brees!) is how freakin' teflon they are. They have this uncanny ability, while focused downfield, to sense pressure coming and make these tiny little adjustments that make would-be rushers miss. I read an interview once with Eli Manning where he said that was something that couldn't be taught, it was either an instinct you had or you didn't. I don't know if that's true. The claim is DeFilippo and Reich improved Foles pocket performance under pressure this year, so maybe it can be taught. Or maybe he had the right instinct but the wrong reaction? The thing that intrigues me about Jackson, now that I've watched some film on him, is that he does seem to have that ability to step up or duck or shift and make people miss. Sometimes he uses it to throw, and sometimes he uses it to change zip codes. But if it's true it can't be taught, that might be something to look at carefully. Rosen seems to have it a bit. He doesn't run very often but he seems to know when to step up or sidestep or roll out. Someone said he was visibly heavier this year than last, so perhaps he can bulk up some, or did bulk up after your peeps knew him? How heavy is Rosen, really? They weigh them at the combine, yes? Yes they will measure their height/weight at the combine... it certainly is possible that Lamar has bulked up, it's just what I've been told i would expect Rosen to be 210-215 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Don't follow a ton of College ball. Didn't want this guy at the end of the season, but I don't think I'd be upset to have him. He's growing on me a bit. If it does come together for him, with his athletic gifts his ceiling could be sky high. Still, not my first choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 18 hours ago, JM57 said: Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson, Andrew Luck and Cam Newton all say hello. They were unaware that you are only able to pass the ball well or run the ball well Did I say only pass the ball? Clearly if they can run, that's a bonus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 If the Bills cant't trade up , I'm ok with Jackson , Rudolph or Allen if still there at 21. Luke Falk or Mike White in 2nd rd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Solomon Grundy Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 This is probably the BEST breakdown of Lamar Jackson I've seen yet!! If this doesn't convince the skeptics of the potential of this dynamic player, then I don't know what else to show you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRUSHx Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 Look at those legs, he will be on IR faster then Watson was his first season for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 8 hours ago, the skycap said: This is probably the BEST breakdown of Lamar Jackson I've seen yet!! If this doesn't convince the skeptics of the potential of this dynamic player, then I don't know what else to show you. Question: is Tyrod Taylor dynamic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fischer Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 7 hours ago, xRUSHx said: Look at those legs, he will be on IR faster then Watson was his first season for sure. The last two seasons, Lamar Jackson had 839 pass attempts, credited with 492 rushes and sacked 75 times (1406 total) . As far as I could tell, he didn’t miss one snap to injury. No matter their size, weight, speed or allusiveness every QB in college and NFL gets dinged, but so far, LJ has yet to look “injury prone.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 Here's another good thread from a Twitter scout. He has Lamar Jackson as his #1 QB prospect this year, followed by Baker Mayfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 If we stay at #21 he’s the only QB I’d consider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 As others have said, love him at #21 or maybe in a trad up from #21 to #17 or so. Both Mayfield and Jackson have too much upside to not be mid-first round picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 Our friends at Cover 1 did more breakdown of Lamar's game on their podcast. This is for all the posters that think he's primarily a "running" QB and for the others that think he's not "cerebral" enough or " can't read defenses". Erik also mentions the comparisons that some make of him and Tyrod and states that he's a BETTER passer than Tyrod already. You will have to go through the McGlinchy breakdown first though. Enjoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Buffalo Ballin Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 Lamar Jackson is a killer prospect. I hope we get him. Kid is a friggin' beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 (edited) This is why I like Matthew Fairburn https://t.co/hlFqxfnKG2 Edited March 1, 2018 by the skycap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 Reid scoffs at idea Lamar Jackson shouldn't be QB INDIANAPOLIS -- Andy Reid is not among those entertaining the idea of a position change for Lamar Jackson. The Chiefs coach took the podium at the NFL Scouting Combine on Wednesday and sarcastically dismissed the idea that the 2016 Heisman Trophy winner would be best served by ditching quarterback in favor of a different position at the next level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norcalbillsfan Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 Not a Jackson hater, but I don't think he's the direction the bills go in. We have been using the dual threat QB and I think it's obvious the management wants to steer away from tyrod and his style. I'd be very surprised if they go with another dual threat, especially when I honestly think tyrod is arguably the most athletic qb in the NFL and I don't think you get much better scrambling/rushing out of a qb. I don't think management is willing to take the risk on a new and improved dual threat and have him bust when tyrod was already in the building. If the bills go for a QB it will be a big arm pocket passer, or Mayfield who has some quick feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 (edited) On 2/24/2018 at 6:37 AM, joesixpack said: Question: is Tyrod Taylor dynamic? He can be. But as a college passer, he wasn't asked to do anything much in the way of reading coverage or making progressions and I think he's still struggling with that. He doesn't trust what he sees, so he holds his fire. To my eyes and some scouting films, Jackson is way further ahead on this though of course with any QB it's a gamble will it translate to NFL game speed. I expect if that if Lamar's knowledge is for real, it will come through in interviews, and he'll be drafted accordingly 13 minutes ago, Norcalbillsfan said: Not a Jackson hater, but I don't think he's the direction the bills go in. We have been using the dual threat QB and I think it's obvious the management wants to steer away from tyrod and his style. I'd be very surprised if they go with another dual threat, especially when I honestly think tyrod is arguably the most athletic qb in the NFL and I don't think you get much better scrambling/rushing out of a qb. I don't think management is willing to take the risk on a new and improved dual threat and have him bust when tyrod was already in the building. If the bills go for a QB it will be a big arm pocket passer, or Mayfield who has some quick feet. I don't either. I think Beane has been very explicit about wanting a guy who can operate as a pocket passer. That said, I think Beane has in mind who and what he wants at this point, and who and what he'll give up to get him. I would expect Jackson to be a ways down on his list, well behind Rosen, Mayfield, Darnold, and possibly Rudolph, all of whom I see as more polished passers. I wouldn't see us moving up to take Rudolph or Jackson. Maybe down? I wouldn't mind if the Bills draft Jackson, provided they commit to developing him as he is and not trying to make him something he isn't. I really hope we're not part of the Allen love, though. Edited March 1, 2018 by Hapless Bills Fan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 7 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: He can be. But as a college passer, he wasn't asked to do anything much in the way of reading coverage or making progressions and I think he's still struggling with that. He doesn't trust what he sees, so he holds his fire. To my eyes and some scouting films, Jackson is way further ahead on this though of course with any QB it's a gamble will it translate to NFL game speed. I expect if that if Lamar's knowledge is for real, it will come through in interviews, and he'll be drafted accordingly I don't either. I think Beane has been very explicit about wanting a guy who can operate as a pocket passer. That said, I think Beane has in mind who and what he wants at this point, and who and what he'll give up to get him. I would expect Jackson to be a ways down on his list, well behind Rosen, Mayfield, Darnold, and possibly Rudolph, all of whom I see as more polished passers. I wouldn't see us moving up to take Rudolph or Jackson. Maybe down? I wouldn't mind if the Bills draft Jackson, provided they commit to developing him as he is and not trying to make him something he isn't. I really hope we're not part of the Allen love, though. How many people will lose their minds if we "Go ditka for Allen"?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Norcalbillsfan Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 3 hours ago, SouthNYfan said: How many people will lose their minds if we "Go ditka for Allen"?? Id be prepared for it. I can easily see a trade for him. After Wentz proved taking a gamble on a small school QB can be a great idea. He's got a huge arm and is at home in the snow. Im sure beane has him in his sights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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John from Riverside Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 43 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: To hell with it....I want Lamar Jackson Just sit tight and hold onto your picks...and take this guy with one of them. He is a straight playmaker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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